ripped camel's motor swap progress

Yeah this car sucks Jamie! I don't think I took enough swings with my hammer.... At least before you were putting it together there was hope that it was going to be a simple swap. Now that it's together and not running right and not braking, with no telltale signs of what the causes are I'm and I know you are quite disheartened.
 
these are the kinds of things that make me want to close my shop and bail out of the whole lincoln deal.
 
93' Blue on blue said:
Not braking? Do you mean no assistance when you brake?
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yeah he said when he took it out around the shop he put the brake down and the brakes didn't engage at all! He said the pedal was stiff though. I took the brake booster 75% off the car, disconnected the pedal and the master cylinder to get that ds valve cover off as per a few members instructions. I'm not sure what was either damaged or not installed to cause this.

That plus the engine is running REAL rough as if it really wants to die.
 
Ya, the running rough and no assistance is a vac leak somewhere.

I leaned the hard way - there's a rubber seal that goes between the master cylinder and the booster - is that in place and intact?
 
Staffamerica74 said:
vacuum leak?
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Could be, but jamie said he bought some carb cleaner and sprayed everywhere, but to no avail nothing showed itself.

93' Blue on blue said:
Ya, the running rough and no assistance is a vac leak somewhere.

I learned the hard way - there's a rubber seal that goes between the master cylinder and the booster - is that in place and intact?
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I'll ask Jamie. His shop is a good hour away so I rarely get to go there.
 
my buddy brian stopped by tonight to hear it run, he built his cobra motor himself, the car dyno'ed 1200 hp 1100 ft lb torque he knows mod motors inside and out, he is stumped. i have the vacuum line from the booster unplugged from the booster and capped off and the car still has a stumble, the car doesnt run that bad, not like last night, and when i stab the throttle it revs up pretty decent, but if you put it in gear and stab the throttle it feels like a dead cylinder, or 2 even, he said if i want him to try it, he'll do a leak down test on the cylinders, and a vacuum check, i dont have the tools to do this, thats why i am sorry for taking this on, swapping a motor is not the problem for me, putting in a motor that i didnt hear run, or know nothing about and taking a junk yards word is the problem, had this been a motor from me that i sold derrik, i wouldnt be dealing with this :q:q:q:q right now, and i dont know what happend when derrik took off the booster and master but the car has zero brakes at all, now i have to deal with this on top of the rest of the :q:q:q:q , the list of things to do is getting bigger and bigger and my labor is going longer and longer and now im supposed to figure everything out for the same price!! sorry derrik i'm not trying to make you look bad but this deal went sour real fast for me this is why i wont ever do it again, EVER. i even have my own money tied up in it now.
brian told me to put the stock tune back in the computer and see if it changes. i dont know what to do i'm burnt.
 
jamie97lsc said:
my buddy brian stopped by tonight to hear it run, he built his cobra motor himself, the car dyno'ed 1200 hp 1100 ft lb torque he knows mod motors inside and out, he is stumped. i have the vacuum line from the booster unplugged from the booster and capped off and the car still has a stumble, the car doesnt run that bad, not like last night, and when i stab the throttle it revs up pretty decent, but if you put it in gear and stab the throttle it feels like a dead cylinder, or 2 even, he said if i want him to try it, he'll do a leak down test on the cylinders, and a vacuum check, i dont have the tools to do this, thats why i am sorry for taking this on, swapping a motor is not the problem for me, putting in a motor that i didnt hear run, or know nothing about and taking a junk yards word is the problem, had this been a motor from me that i sold derrik, i wouldnt be dealing with this :q:q:q:q right now, and i dont know what happend when derrik took off the booster and master but the car has zero brakes at all, now i have to deal with this on top of the rest of the :q:q:q:q , the list of things to do is getting bigger and bigger and my labor is going longer and longer and now im supposed to figure everything out for the same price!! sorry derrik i'm not trying to make you look bad but this deal went sour real fast for me this is why i wont ever do it again, EVER. i even have my own money tied up in it now.
brian told me to put the stock tune back in the computer and see if it changes. i dont know what to do i'm burnt.
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I know you're not trying to make me look bad man. You don't have to worry about the brake problem if you don't want as that wasn't your problem. All I ask is to just complete the engine tranny swap and trouble shoot it so we can figure out what happened there and get that end fixed so it runs right. I'll just have to have it towed back home after you finish the engine and try to figure out the brakes myself.

Some of the stuff i added I only did because you told me I should change things while it was out anyway. I told you in the beginning I would have done all the gaskets, etc. You took them on and I appreciate that, but I would have done that.

I apologize if things have hit a snag but as mentioned before your help won't soon be forgotten.
 
If the gasket between the mater cylinder and booster is still there and intact Camel may have broken the plastic around the rod to the pedal. That too will cause a leak and loss of assist. I know from his other thread he was having trouble finding the mount nuts around the pedal bracket. He could have whacked the plastic tube and broken it. Just a thought.

Hopefully you can find and fix the running issue soon and easily. I'm sure you both are ready for the car to be done and repaired already!
 
Part it out and buy another one:D. And Jaime, charge more already. You give ridiculous deals for the work that you do.
 
jamie know what you are fighting did thid for 45 years working as a steamfitter and racing. mike 94m5 has found out what it is like too. take a break even if it just to take the wife and kids to a movie you will feel better buy doing it. had a gunny sgt that carried a ridding qurt that he would smack against the engine if you where getting mad at and tell you to backoff and smoke one are drink a soda or coffee then use your brain because that metal dosn't have one. some times i have doubted that but its true. jds353
 
have you check around the injectors when mike and i put the maruder heads on the 94 with the eldebrock fuel rails we had vaccum leaks on them put double o rings on them that done the job. just an idea. jds353
 
ok this is what i have done, the engine is in, 100%. nothing is unplugged, no vacuum lines are missing, broken, or unhooked. derrik's engine ran perfect, so, i have put the cam sensor from his old motor on the new one, i changed the egr valve, i changed the fuel pump that he brought me, i changed the injectors off his motor to the new one, i took all the coil packs off my 97 and tried them, i took derrik's BLX3 tuned computer out, and put in a stock BLX3 computer from my house in it, we went through a whole can of carb cleraner alllllllllllllllllllllllllll over the engine, no changes from all of this, the spark plugs were put in saturday night, they are motorcraft platinum's, 7 out of 8 are jet black already, the car is now making smoke when i rev it, it smells so rich it burns my eyes in the shop, derrik told me the cats are hollow'd out, the 3rd cat is eliminated, all 4 02 sensors are plugged in, one of his upstream 02's i noticed had a ripped wire when i removed the exhaust, so i replaced it with a brand new one that i had as a spare for my 97. the only thing left as far as electrical stuff to try is another crank sensor, but if the car starts and runs how could it be the crank sensor, unless like brandon said maybe they damaged the crank sensor at the junk yard when they removed the ac compressor. my buddy brian seems confident that with the way its running, and the symptoms, he thinhs its electrical and not mechanical, he feels pretty good about the motor not being a bad motor. i'm gonna try to do a compression check tomorrow after work, if i cant figure it out with a few more things i dont know what else i can do. i have checked everything over and over and over i didnt forget anything during the swap, the engine is all back the way it came from the factory. i am so lost. the car really needs to be put on a scanner and run and have live feed to see what is going on, i dont have a scanner so i dont know what i am supposed to do. this :q:q:q:qing car has me so irritated i'm ready to push it outside and forget about it.
charlie sent me a tip about the rockers, if a head or motor is turned over and the cam is in a certain position where the lobe is off the rocker, a rocker can fall out, i did have the motor upside down, to change the oil pan gasket, after i flipped it back over, i did the valve cover gaskets, you can clearly see in this picture, that the #3 cylinder rocker arm is still in place, this is the one that fell out, so its plain as day that i didnt cause the rocker to fall out, just another thing i want to point out before anyone tries the blame game, look in this pic and you can see all 4 of the exhaust rockers
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Jamie, you can only do so much and it sounds like you have done all you can. It needs to be rolled out, put on a flatbed and taken to where there is equipment that will show what the problem really is. You part out Marks and put some Marks back on the street but engine swaps, where the engine came from a junk yard that you know nothing about isn't for you.

It could be something simple, it could be something deep inside the engine that you'll never find. Stop while you're ahead or kinda not I guess but you really should stop. I know you well enough to know that this car is getting to you. Not a good thing!
 
Jamie --

Is there any possibility that the piece that broke on top of the fuel tank is causing your problems?

I read somewhere that you found a solution for the broken part. Maybe that solution isn't working correctly.

Just a thought. I have no idea what that part was for.
 
no, i tried explaining this to derrik 6 times, what broke is the plastic tube going to the evap tray, all it does is carry fumes to the charcoal canisters, its fixed, i fixed it so thats not it, i could disconnect it completely and it wouldnt make the motor run the way it is. i should have never told derrik to get the motor from a junk yard, i know zero history on it, who knows why the car went to the junk yard, when was the last time the motor actually ran??
 
jamie97lsc said:
no, i tried explaining this to derrik 6 times, what broke is the plastic tube going to the evap tray, all it does is carry fumes to the charcoal canisters, its fixed, i fixed it so thats not it, i could disconnect it completely and it wouldnt make the motor run the way it is. i should have never told derrik to get the motor from a junk yard, i know zero history on it, who knows why the car went to the junk yard, when was the last time the motor actually ran??
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I'm just lost as to how the motor looked so good internally, yet it is running so bad. I feel bad for Jamie because he's busting his a s s and this thing is stressing him out beyond belief.

then my poor wife is livid that she just dumped this money into the car and it's not running, meanwhile she's paying for people to drive me to school when we really have no extra money.

This whole thing is bad, but I don't know what else to do. I have SO much money tied up in this car, parting it out would result in such a gigantic loss.
 
looks dont mean :q:q:q:q, just because it was clean inside doesnt mean something isnt wrong, but like i said, with all its symtoms my buddy brian is almost 100% sure its something electrical and not mechanical, why are the plugs black already? why is the car richer than hell, why is it blowing smoke out of the exhaust? cats, 02 sensors, a bad MAF meter, who the :q:q:q:q knows i work on these cars but i am no genius as to what goes on with the electrical aspect. thats why i said if it had been a motor that i sold you, something that i personally heard, drove and removed, and put it in your car, if there was a problem then, i would know it was my fault, but, not knowing if this motor ran good before it was removed at the junk yard, i have no idea whats going on now, tomorrow, i am gonna put the wipers back in, the hood back on, change the teflon washer on the p.s hose, put a crank sensor in it, drop the front of the exhaust and re tighten it to get rid of the small leak, put your computer back in it, if it doesnt change after all this, its going outside and i am done, i do not know what else i can do, it needs to be put on an obd II scanner and see what is going on with the ecu.
 
Derrik, I know all about a loss, except mine happened within 2 minutes time, all over something simple. Nothing to part, just a complete loss all because of doing something wrong.

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2 minutes Derrik, just 2 minutes. It was history. Sometimes life takes you in that direction and to top it off, I almost lost my life in this, lost thousands of dollars worth of tools in the garage because the owner of the house has tapped out my insurance with his claim. So, I lost my car, tools and another 2 grand buying another car, all over a simple mistake. I have 3 good rims and I was able to use the seats. That's it.
 
well no sense in changing it then so now thats all, there is nothing else for me to try, except put another :q:q:q:qing motor in it that i know is good i guess!!!! jesus christ!!
 
jamie does it have a cel?

does the cel bulb burn when you turn the key on? (bulb missing)

doesnt sniper scan dtc codes and datalog?

dont get mad at the following comment, when you tighten the exhaust..check the 02 wies again..ive seen em get pinched between the motor and trans and cause goofy issues
 
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