ripped camel's motor swap progress

the check engine bulb works, when you turn the key on it lights, when you start it, it goes off, when it runs, it never comes on, i checked tonight the car has zero codes, says pass on everything, whatever lol!! i'm getting pissed off thinking about it now.
 
jamie97lsc said:
well no sense in changing it then so now thats all, there is nothing else for me to try, except put another :q:q:q:qing motor in it that i know is good i guess!!!! jesus christ!!
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It sucks but wash your hands of it!!!! You swapped in the engine and got it running, you cant warranty something that you didnt sell or know anything about.
 
i unplugged the tps while it was running and nothing changed, i dont know if it should have, but it didnt, oh well, im going to bed, i already missed a day of work because of this :q:q:q:qing car, my back hurt so bad yesterday and today i could hardly get out of bed, so i'm putting on some headphones and going to sleep and not thinking about this pile at all tonight.
 
jamie97lsc said:
i unplugged the tps while it was running and nothing changed, i dont know if it should have, but it didnt, oh well, im going to bed, i already missed a day of work because of this :q:q:q:qing car, my back hurt so bad yesterday and today i could hardly get out of bed, so i'm putting on some headphones and going to sleep and not thinking about this pile at all tonight.
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Wait, I thought if you unplug something and nothing changes that means it's a weak link?

For instance if you pull a plug, the engine will start to miss, if you pull the wires to the maf the car will react...so if you pulled the tps and nothing happened wouldn't that mean it's not working and hence is the broken part?
 
the :q:q:q:qing tps isnt gonna cause the engine to turn the plugs black, shake all over the engine bay, spit fuel out of the exhaust lol wow i need to shoot myself in the face!!!!
 
You should take it some place. You have a family and sh1t to take care of, you did the major work and helped the guy out, this can be sorted out. Sometimes it just takes another set of eyes on the problem. Nothing wrong with that man.
 
Props Jamie for helping Ripped out, I can tell he feels bad this didn't go smoothly and appreciates all you've done.

I don't know alot about it or if this was even possible but I did a google search on the "running rich, black plugs"

Someone had similar issues and it was as simple as TPS harness and MAP harness were plugged into each other TPS harness into MAP sensor and MAP harness into TPS sensor... he reversed them (to the correct position) and all was corrected.

Like I said, I'm not framiliar with the Mark motors so don't know if its possible to mix them up but wanted to try to help.
 
Have ripped come over and swap all the coils from the old motor onto this one... Maybe multiple misfire?

Nevermind, just saw you replaced all that... I'm going to tell the driveability guy at work today about this and see what he thinks.
 
Moes8 said:
well it sure as helI did on my car!!!
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check it!
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If the same happened to moes car via the tps, it's worth a shot to try that on my car. Keep in mind my old motor was sporadically having surging idle etc so one of those sensors could have indeed been bad.
 
Driveability guy here says check fuel pressure. I dont know if you have already, but if you haven't I'd have ripped go grab a cheapy autozone FP gauge or something. He says it sounds like too much fuel pressure. Possibly a pinched return line, or a fuel pressure regulator. If I had to bet too... i'd say fuel pressure is your problem.

Hope it helps
 
It had a SVT Focus pump installed during all of this and I think the original pump needs to go back in. It was working fine, why put in a Focus pump? Especially during an engine swap?

Ripped, you go buy a new TPS and get that Focus pump off and put the original back on (wired correctly) and see what you have then. I'm really leaning towards that fuel pump that was installed. It may be too strong for your FPR or your FPR could be bad. It's getting too much fuel and Jamie knows his wires good enough to know which is which. Could be the purge valve, there is no telling what it is.

It needs to go to a shop where codes can be read by a professional. Just my opinion.
 
jamie97lsc said:
the :q:q:q:qing tps isnt gonna cause the engine to turn the plugs black, shake all over the engine bay, spit fuel out of the exhaust lol wow i need to shoot myself in the face!!!!
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really? i think you are mistaken...but it doesnt matter, you've obviously given up.

the issue could stare you in the face at the point and you'd never see it.
you tps comment plainly proves that.

put it on a wrecker and send it to someone that CAN fix it..."you're done, obviously"
 
NoLimit95 said:
It had a SVT Focus pump installed during all of this and I think the original pump needs to go back in. It was working fine, why put in a Focus pump? Especially during an engine swap?

Ripped, you go buy a new TPS and get that Focus pump off and put the original back on (wired correctly) and see what you have then. I'm really leaning towards that fuel pump that was installed. It may be too strong for your FPR or your FPR could be bad. It's getting too much fuel and Jamie knows his wires good enough to know which is which. Could be the purge valve, there is no telling what it is.

It needs to go to a shop where codes can be read by a professional. Just my opinion.
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According to XLR my SCT does datalogging. I'll have to call them (SCT) tomorrow to find out how to do it because I'm currently doing a 10 page report (only 3 pages in) that is due today at 2pm. Then I have school from 2pm-9pm.

Rather than waste time on buying a new TPS jamie should try swapping a working one on to see if it works. I'm not exactly right down the road to just make it over in a few minutes.

The fuel pump was installed because as jamie said I should change all of these things while it was down, so I did. DLF and others have installed the SVT pump with zero problems so I don't know how my application would differ.
 
ripped camel said:
If the same happened to moes car via the tps, it's worth a shot to try that on my car. Keep in mind my old motor was sporadically having surging idle etc so one of those sensors could have indeed been bad.
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YOU need to pick up the ball and run with it.
you've gotten your moneys worth and MORE out of jamie.
 
ripped camel said:
Rather than waste time on buying a new TPS jamie should try swapping a working one on to see if it works. I'm not exactly right down the road to just make it over in a few minutes.
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if you mean take the TPS off HIS car...no.

maybe off your old motor....but at THIS POINT...YOU should be swapping sensors, not jamie.
 
The TPS is not your problem... look else where. Before you waste any more time, check fuel. That is one of the first steps in the diagnostic method for driveability concerns. Hell, on a diesel it is like step 5 after checking codes and fluid conditions.
 
XLRVIII said:
YOU need to pick up the ball and run with it.
you've gotten your moneys worth and MORE out of jamie.
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I would have to agree here. My post above were merely suggestions to a quick possible fix so that he can get it out of the shop. Maybe once you get it home, you can spend more time with it and sort the problem. Jamie, I think has reached his limit on this one.
 
I agree with Diesel Dan. That definitely sounds like a fuel issue. Explains why the check engine light is not on too. Sounds like the fuel pressure regulator. the old weak pump probably didnt even pump enough pressure or volume to NEED a regulator lol. Although a bad regulator may have been the problem with the surging on the old motor. After checking the regulator the next logical step would be checking for leaky injectors (not very likely that all 8 would be that bad when coming from a running motor though). Just trying to help man. If all of your wires are correctly attached and there is no engine light, you swapped the EGR, etc. Definitely sounds like fuel.
 
a bad pump would probably throw a lean code for both banks just because there is no check engine light you should still check for codes in its history
 
XLRVIII said:
if you mean take the TPS off HIS car...no.

maybe off your old motor....but at THIS POINT...YOU should be swapping sensors, not jamie.
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I understand what you are trying to say but I was going to go a different route and many told me "just swap a complete motor or the car will not run again". Being that I screwed myself with not following everyones advice completely with doing the valve cover, I thought now was the time to listen. So I did.

I bought a complete motor as opposed to doing the C head swap that included a warranty and a guarantee in writing along with a dyno tune.

I bought the motor that Jamie pointed me too, and did as everyone said. I stood back and didn't argue because lets face it I'm DEFINITELY not an expert.

I was told to buy everything possible and change things while everything was apart so I did exactly that. I didn't assert that I expected any extras done, nor did I ask for them to be done for me. I actually said explicitly that I would do the extra's but the days I scheduled with Jamie to work on it, he ended up needing off after we scheduled a time to meet and rightfully so, because he busted his a s s on this car. So again I said no prob and took a step back.

He is a HARD worker and has put an immense amount of effort into this car, which I do appreciate. Him and I have talked about this in person and I don't know what else to do to express my appreciation.

An installation of a motor constitutes in working form. It's hardly in working form now. I don't know what you guys expect me to do. If Jamie can't figure it out how the hell could I? He's like the Socrates of Lincoln's compared to me. I'll have zero luck if I get it back like this.

I guess what I'm saying is everyone picked on me for not following their advice, and now that I have taken it, it's as if I'm the bad guy here for it not working out flawlessly. I don't know what else to say or do at this point.

I'm sure hoping Jamie will help me alleviate this, and if my intuitions are correct I'm thinking he will because he is a genuine person. His heart is in the right place. I don't think he will leave me high and dry which is why I entrusted this whole thing to him in the first place.
 
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