Will it ever run right?

[ripped camel]

Brute force was used more as tongue and cheek.
You just missed this part......making sure not to break anything
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The thread even carries the humor in posts 10 and 11 and 12.

You lost your temper and broke a lot of stuff.

That thread explains exactly how to get that valve cover off.

The problem was not the advice, or the search function.

You only quoted the posts that made me look bad to suit your agenda. How about accurately depicting the thread with the proper quotes? They continued with the sarcasm because the guy they were ragging on didn't listen to them that he needed to use brute force. So they made some sarcastic posts about it.

You would make a good politician with deceptive posts like that....

Here's what was really said...

Valve cover gasket swaps suck big time. Took me all day to change the things out. Had to swap a brake booster as well so it made it a bit easier to do on the driver side, but is there a trick to the passenger side or just use brute force making sure not to break anything?

brute force, take off the shock tower cover off as well

That's what I did...and almost didn't have enough force.

Any tricks on how to remove the passenger side valve cover on a 98 Lincoln Mark VIII? The driverside was a real pain. Had to remove the brake booster and felt like forever just to finish that one side. Any information will greatly be appreciated. Thanks.

Make sure you remove the valve cover bolts. Good trick to know when removing valve covers. Also, read up on reading comprehension. It comes in handy. For example,

brute force, take off the shock tower cover off as well

Which part of that post eluded you?

Sarcasm? Not until Linc posted did the sarcasm start. They were serious about brute force. The part about not breaking anything was in the form of a question, not a statement. Of course you're not supposed to try to break anything, but he asked because he didn't know how much force to use (which was my problem).

 

[ripped camel]

And you have a different computer too. OBDII is more finniky then OBD, no?

Maybe so, I have no clue I'm by no means an expert. I bought a Motorcraft O2 today because I'd rather just try it rather than wonder if that is the problem. I'm going to have it installed tomorrow when they do my alignment. I'll post up what happens.....

 

[mespock]

Well if you know what you are going to be doing then I'd suggest doing that and quit posting on this thread ... as it's only going to go South ... LOL ...

Are you related to that Abe Lincoln dude?

 

[MediumD]

The only thing I ever blamed anybody on here for is when they said you need to use brute force to tug the valve cover off the engine. That was some bad advice that resulted in some pretty expensive repairs!

The thing is, you gotta be reasonable and have some common sense.. If somebody says it takes brute force to remove something, and you break a pretty strong valve cover... I personally find it hard to blame anybody but you for that one, because you've gotta realize that if you put 1000 pounds of force on the edge of a piece of cast aluminum - yeah it's gonna break.

 

[brentalan]

Ripped, I think you should mess around with the O2 to eliminate the cats if that's what you want to do.

Of course it can be done but understand it may take some more effort than running the car as stock, which we all agree would work.

I just don't want to see you disappointed if you still have trouble.

As I said before, the title of the thread is "Will it ever run right?" My responses are based on the idea that you are tired of problems. If you want to eliminate problems put it back to stock.

If you enjoy messing around with it, then do that, just know that it might take more effort to "make it run right".

THANK YOU! So another example on how it is possible..... and not the sole problem in my case...

 

[ripped camel]

Well if you know what you are going to be doing then I'd suggest doing that and quit posting on this thread ... as it's only going to go South ... LOL ...

Are you related to that Abe Lincoln dude?

No, why does he also like to question things? I'm studying to be a philosophy major. A philosopher is a "lover of wisdom". Just because I ask incessant questions and seem to be debating it's not because I think I'm right, it's because through discussion you can get the full understanding of the topic at hand. If only life were easy enough to just take the first thing your told and be done with it. Unfortunately, as this thread proves opinions are like a-holes everybodys got one.

Some people say you can't delete a cat without having a problem, some say you can, others say you can but it takes tinkering. As you can see had I not questioned and done other things we never would have ended up at the conclusion we have thus far.

Why do people expect you to not question their advice. I expect people to question me when they ask advise, otherwise I wouldn't think they have enough interest in the topic.

The thing is, you gotta be reasonable and have some common sense.. If somebody says it takes brute force to remove something, and you break a pretty strong valve cover... I personally find it hard to blame anybody but you for that one, because you've gotta realize that if you put 1000 pounds of force on the edge of a piece of cast aluminum - yeah it's gonna break.

True, however not everyone is mechanically inclined as many on here. To most of you guys I'm a complete noob, to most (not all, but most) of the people I know I have more knowledge about cars than all of them. It goes to show how diverse knowledge can be.

My common sense told me not to use brute force because as I mentioned in my thread I can shrug 455lbs, and the act of pulling is shrugging, so I have immense strength with that motion. I was afraid I was going to break it, however the thread I found in the search said to use it. Brute force implies immense power. So I did that. I should have debated like I always do because I wouldn't have made that mistake. Oh well, live and learn.

There's the thread for a reference, the post I said that was post#5
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=64161

Ripped, I think you should mess around with the O2 to eliminate the cats if that's what you want to do.

Of course it can be done but understand it may take some more effort than running the car as stock, which we all agree would work.

I just don't want to see you disappointed if you still have trouble.

As I said before, the title of the thread is "Will it ever run right?" My responses are based on the idea that you are tired of problems. If you want to eliminate problems put it back to stock.

If you enjoy messing around with it, then do that, just know that it might take more effort to "make it run right".

Yeah I'm unsure what I want to do yet. I'm going to throw that O2 on tomorrow and I'll take it from there. I'll post up the results of changing the O2.

 

[LaserSVT]

Derrik, one small thing that is confusing me. OK, I can see you misunderstanding the tongue in cheek statement of using brute force. Its like if someone would ask "How do I get down from the top of this building?" and I say "Jump off the edge." then they should know I am kidding.
But you keep saying how you used brute force and you can pull stuff hard so it broke when in fact thats not the case! You hit it repeatedly with e demolition hammer till it broke! Thats not using brute force to pull it off, thats brute DESTRUCTION and breaking it off.
So blaming people for saying "Use brute force" is a really crappy cop out since you didn't use even that BS advice and just went swinging away!

 

[mespock]

No, why does he also like to question things?

No he didn't listen to the wise members of the forum when they gave him solid logical advice.

I'm studying to be a philosophy major. A philosopher is a "lover of wisdom".

Oh ... that's good ... and what are you going to do with the degree when finished? I live in a family where 3 of the 6 members have Master Degrees ... and 2 others are still working on their undergrade. Oh and one's BF also has a Master's Degree in Philosophy ... he likes cars too ...

Just because I ask incessant questions and seem to be debating it's not because I think I'm right, it's because through discussion you can get the full understanding of the topic at hand.

But constantly asking questions doesn't prove that you are wise ... a wise person looks at what other wise people suggest and then moves forward ...

If only life were easy enough to just take the first thing your told and be done with it. Unfortunately, as this thread proves opinions are like a-holes everybodys got one.

Well when it comes to A-holes ...

Why do people expect you to not question their advice.

Well when you are asking for advice on what to do and then post thread of how you phucked it up ... by not following the wise directions .. Hmmm ...

I expect people to question me when they ask advise, otherwise I wouldn't think they have enough interest in the topic.

Right!

 

[ripped camel]

Derrik, one small thing that is confusing me. OK, I can see you misunderstanding the tongue in cheek statement of using brute force. Its like if someone would ask "How do I get down from the top of this building?" and I say "Jump off the edge." then they should know I am kidding.
But you keep saying how you used brute force and you can pull stuff hard so it broke when in fact thats not the case! You hit it repeatedly with e demolition hammer till it broke! Thats not using brute force to pull it off, thats brute DESTRUCTION and breaking it off.
So blaming people for saying "Use brute force" is a really crappy cop out since you didn't use even that BS advice and just went swinging away!

Laser I've explained this over, and over, and over, and over again. I'll say it one more time. I realized some of the cam towers were chipped from yanking, and that the metal lip was severed in multiple places and also a few chunks were missing out of the bottom of the valve cover. When I looked and saw them all in the head I knew I was f'd. So I said, "if you're already f'd, I'm going to teach you a lesson mf'r!" ran in the house, got the hammer and hammered the living hell out of that valve cover.

I did it knowing the head was already f'd, and that the cover was already ruined. I was pissed that 6 hours of work resulted in a f'd up head and valve cover, bloody hands, forehead and busted knuckles. So I wasn't going to let that thing have the last laugh.

I'm a true believer in vengeance, and that valve cover got a taste of it!

No, why does he also like to question things?

No he didn't listen to the wise members of the forum when they gave him solid logical advice.

I'm studying to be a philosophy major. A philosopher is a "lover of wisdom".

Oh ... that's good ... and what are you going to do with the degree when finished? I live in a family where 3 of the 6 members have Master Degrees ... and 2 others are still working on their undergrade. Oh and one's BF also has a Master's Degree in Philosophy ... he likes cars too ...

Just because I ask incessant questions and seem to be debating it's not because I think I'm right, it's because through discussion you can get the full understanding of the topic at hand.

But constantly asking questions doesn't prove that you are wise ... a wise person looks at what other wise people suggest and then moves forward ...

If only life were easy enough to just take the first thing your told and be done with it. Unfortunately, as this thread proves opinions are like a-holes everybodys got one.

Well when it comes to A-holes ...

Why do people expect you to not question their advice.

Well when you are asking for advice on what to do and then post thread of how you phucked it up ... by not following the wise directions .. Hmmm ...

I expect people to question me when they ask advise, otherwise I wouldn't think they have enough interest in the topic.

Right!

Pure ignorance. You obviously have no knowledge of philosophy. A lover of wisdom, is not one that deems that he himself is wise. On the contrary, true philosophers know... "True wisdom is knowing that you know nothing" Socrates.

What is it with your defensive attitude?! I mentioned what I'm majoring in to try to get the point across that I wasn't trying to be a know-it-all and that I'm a lover of wisdom, so I ask a lot of questions. Then you turn it into a who's got the bigger schlong contest? WTF kind of inferiority complex do you have?! It's quite apparent that you aren't a philosophy major by your pure lack of what wisdom truly is.

What am I going to do with my major...go to law school. Philosophy majors score the highest on the LSAT's, and a high LSAT score is a necessity to get into law school.

I also love how when I mention the "opinions are like a-holes" comment you took it as I was insulting people. It's a phrase you retard, and obviously you didn't get it. OH, no...you said speaking of a-hole...wow you can insult me on the internet. Does that up your cool guy score? F'n tool!

 

[brentalan]

Does this mean you aren't coming to the beach party?

 

[marked8]

I believe Rich has a Masters degree and has been teaching school for about 27 years. I've met him, done business with him and respect him.

 

[ford nut]

You only quoted the posts that made me look bad to suit your agenda. How about accurately depicting the thread with the proper quotes? They continued with the sarcasm because the guy they were ragging on didn't listen to them that he needed to use brute force. So they made some sarcastic posts about it.

You would make a good politician with deceptive posts like that....

I quoted the parts I found important to make a point.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that thread or the advice in it on how to change valve cover gaskets.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the search on this web site....I wish more would use it.

Thats my agenda.

You see thats the problem, I care about this site and want good advice to be found here.

That thread has good sound advice.

Stop being butt hurt.
Its old.


Lots of good advice here also on how to get your car running right.

Use it.

 

[mespock]

Hey Duche ... LOL ... I see you have no clue just like when you work on your cars ...

Don't worry we'll let you be the wise one on this site ... :leghumper ...

So what theory of philosophy do you follow?

So when you going to try and sell your car to the membership .... that's usually the next thing that happens ...

 

[94m5]

#1 reason I don't post on Lvc as much. Too much goddamned drama.

Lighten up people, Jesus Christ.

 

[mespock]

I know Mike ... thanks ... you are wise for your age ... sometimes one just gets pulled in and then forgets ... or tired of some of the $hit ...

Forgive Me LvC ...

 

[ripped camel]

Does this mean you aren't coming to the beach party?

Jamie's beach party? Absolutely I'm going.

 

[ripped camel]

I quoted the parts I found important to make a point.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that thread or the advice in it on how to change valve cover gaskets.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the search on this web site....I wish more would use it.
Thats my agenda.
You see thats the problem, I care about this site and want good advice to be found here.
That thread has good sound advice.Stop being butt hurt.
Its old.
Lots of good advice here also on how to get your car running right.
Use it.

Very true there definitely is a lot of good advice, and absolutely there are quite a few people I look up to for information because I respect them. My point was that there is also some disinformation too, that would be part of it. Maybe you got something different out of that thread than me, which is why I like to challenge answers and ask questions to dig deeper and make sure I don't make a mistake.

Hey Duche ... LOL ... I see you have no clue just like when you work on your cars ...

Don't worry we'll let you be the wise one on this site ... :leghumper ...

So what theory of philosophy do you follow?

So when you going to try and sell your car to the membership .... that's usually the next thing that happens ...

Besides basic things like oil changes, brakes etc....No I really don't have much of a clue working on cars. I'm trying to learn. That doesn't offend me because everyone starts somewhere.

As for what type of philosophical method I'm more of a Platonist.

I see what you did with the wise comment, wow again you must feel like such a man.


For those of you that contributed to this thread in a non-troll-like fashion and gave me your advice, I appreciate it.

 

[BAD97LSC]

i agree with 94m5, lately this place sucks, plain and simple, so much bull:q:q:q:q, name calling, finger pointing, and tons of talking down to people like they are :q:q:q:qing idiots, my post count has been down too the problem is i dont want to go to any other lincoln forums, so its gonna come down to just getting off of all of them soon for me.

 

[mark82nv]

the search function would be nice if it would work for me i have tried it 3 different times now and tried all different things but everything i try to search for comes up 0 results

 

[slowmkviii]

Did you change the front o2 yet if so does it run better

 

[mespock]

First I'm going to apologize for getting dragged into this pissing match ...

Was just a little frustrated ... but I'm not going into that ... would just start things all over again.

Old RC ... Good luck with your car. As stated take the good advice from the Membership there are a lot of good gear heads on this site ... find out who you can trust with good advice and use it.

Just remember ... whatever you do is what you did .... no one on this site it turning the wrench for you. $hit happens then it costs you money.

Also remember just because someone did something doesn't mean it aways works for everyone. Again find the one or two people who you trust and then send them a PM and ask them without the input from the rest of the membership. (I have found this to be a very good practice, it prevents a lot of confusion and frustration).

But then no matter what you do .... it's the person who did the act who fubarred it up. No one can blame anyone else for ones own actions. And remember one can always choose to go to a trained mechanic who should know what they are doing. Then if it gets fubarred you have someone to blame.

Again I appologies ... Thanks Mike for slapping me in the head. :slap:

 

[mespock]

the search function would be nice if it would work for me i have tried it 3 different times now and tried all different things but everything i try to search for comes up 0 results

For search to work good KIS ... Keep It Simple ... one or two words ... Also try looking at the bottom of a thread as there are suggestions to other similar threads.

Then sometimes there's this thing called google ... it's funny that I can do a google search and find LvC threads on the topic I wanted.

 

[ford nut]

I know Mike ... thanks ... you are wise for your age ... sometimes one just gets pulled in and then forgets ... or tired of some of the $hit ...

Forgive Me LvC ...

Its easy to get pulled in.....believe me I know.
Some of the people around here.......no froggie to weed them out.

Its just as easy not to post.

Time to not give a :q:q:q:q I guess.

 

[NoLimit95]

Not you Jamie. Before he hammered his motor he was still having that stumble issue and said he had a code for the front O2 and my response was "It has over 60K on it so replace it" which led to the whole Bosch rant and most people agreeing to just order one from Max and then Terry found OEM ones cheap from somewhere but I forget where.

rockauto.com is where I got mine for the 94. They're $38 or $39 (they have came down on the price) a piece for the 95 but for a 97, they are $43.79 each for the front and $38.79 each for the rear, plus shipping of course which is right at $3.50 for two and I got my pair in 2 days from them. So for RC, that would have been an $11.00 savings while all the arguing went on. Sorry to bring this topic back up but I was just answering where I had bought OEM 02's from.

 

[kustomizingkid]

I could fix your O2 not turning off issue... but I'm amazing