My sub build

So next up is the install of the HC 2000. The main goal I wanted to acheive was; fit the biggest battery i could in the stock location with minimal modifications. I wanted to be able to upgrade to a battery that could better handle a demanding amplifier especially when the vehicle is off. I also wanted to make sure the battery would be a true sealed unit and would not require a vent tube.

I was between an HC2000 and HC2400. I decided to go with the HC2000because it was a few hundred less expensive, i found a pretty good deal on one, and because i beleive that with a the length of 13" on the HC2400, it would require more than simple modifications to the factory bracket to accomplish.

Can anyone tell me how to add individual captions to photos when you upload multiples, that would make this write up a little more organized. Thanks

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Are you running this instead of the factory battery or using it as a second battery??
 
Didnt want to run two batteries and create a possible strain on my alt. I am replacing my Motorcraft one and running this one.

Caption on pics? Want to get this write-up up.
 
host the pics on photobucket or similiar, and then paste the img code here.
then just type around it.
 
In order to install the HC2000 into the stock location, there needs to be multiple modifications due to the size increase. Im sure theres many different ways to do it but this is how I saw to be the best way to do so.

Areas That will need to be modified:

-Metal bracket at the far end of the battery. The Kinetik is longer than the stock battery so will require more space.

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-Metal rod that hold the battery from the top side. It is bolted to the side wall and the spacer down below. The Kinetik is taller.

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-The spacer where bolt is attached. Also due to the taller Kinetik battery.

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-Vent tube. You can just do away with a vent tube as the Kinetik is a 100% sealed battery.

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Metal bracket:

-The stock battery is 11" long which is a perfect fit inside the length of the stock location. The Kinetik is 1" longer.

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-This is the space available in the stock location.

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-The bracket is made up of some fairly heavy gauge so a powertool is the best way to modify it.

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-The bracket will basically have to be turned 180 degrees. The sides of the bracket will need to be cut out in order to allow the battery to sit within it. Here I have outlined the area that will be cut.

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-After cut has been made and painted once again to prevent any corrosion.

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-Now the actual plastic battery "tray" needs to be modified in order to accept the new bracket.
-This tab needs to be removed. Tray is plastic so any tool will do the job.

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-Here you can see that the modificaitons to the tray are not over. The holes on the bracket will not line up with the factory threaded holes. The backside of the tray will need to be cut at least 1/4".

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- In order to accomplish this I unbolted the factory tray which is bolted down by a few bolts. Im sure it is possible to do without removing with the proper tool.

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-I used a key hole saw. Dremel would of made easy work of it.

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-Here is the finished product.


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-Now that the bracket has been reversed, the bolt heads got in the way. The battery was unable to rest on the tray as the head of the bolts stick up a bit farther up than the bottom of the tray. The factory bolts have built in washers.

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-Bolts I baught at the local hardware store. No washer, less height, happy battery. Bolts are metric, M8-1.25x25.

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-That is the end of the modifications needed to the bracket and tray.

Metal Rod/Spacer


-This is the a picture of the battery in the battery location. Notice how the rod end does not align with the threaded hole. Also the factory bends on the rod do not allow it to allign the bolt in the spacer with its threaded hole.

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-It is important to modify the spacer first. The spacer and rod are both part of the same mechanism. Before you can bend the rod the spacer needs to be set in place. The rod attaches to the bolt/spacer and so any change in the possition of the spacer will promp a change in the bending of the rod.

-Here is a picture of the rod, bolt and spacer.

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-As you can see, the rod connects below the washer on the bolt. Then the bolt connects firmly to the spacer. The rod is not long enough to attach itself to the side of the trunk and make it all the way down to the bolt once the new, taller battery is in. So basically what needs to happen is, the bolt needs to come up somehow in order to make up for the 1/2" gap.

Remmember that the bolt is attached to the spacer. In order to pull the bolt upward to make up for the gap, we need to make sure the spacer stays in place. So in other words, detach the spacer from the bolt.

Here is the nut that is located on the bottom side of the spacer. This nut does not allow the spacer to move lower on the bolt. If we are too pull the bolt upward and keep the spacer in place, it needs to be removed.

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Once removed the bolt can be pulled upward freely and allow the rod to attach to it. Now we just need to bend the rod in order for it to align itself with the thread on the side of the trunk and the bolt.

-Factory bend of upper part of rod.

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-In order to bend the rod. All that is needed is a hammer and a table vise, or the pavement : ).
New bend to the rod.

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-A few more bends made to the rod. This is basically trial and error. Bend and check fitment over and over again.

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-So now we have the rod bent into proper shape, spacer set in its factory bracket and bolt pulled upward in order to attach to rod.
Remmember that in the original picture the set washer on the bolt is what provided pressure downward on the spacer so it would be set in its factory bracket. Now that we have pulled the bolt upward, that set washer no longer makes contact with the spacer so no downward force.
We need to place washers below the set washer on the bolt, down to the spacer. These washers will allow the set washer on the bolt to press down on the spacer.

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For a more snug fit, I placed some thick weather stripping along the spacer. The Kinetik battery is actually thinner than the stock one, so a bit of weather stripping allows for a snug fit.

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Here is the final product. Kinetik HC2000 installed in stock location.

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This project took me about 2 hrs as i had nothing to go off of. I know at times this write up may seam confusing but if any of you try this, once you have the noted parts in front of you, it will all make more sense. The battery has been installed for about 2 months and have had no problems.

--I will clean this write-up up later, time to go to work.
 
Good work. That is exactly what I did for mine to fit, running the same battery. I didn't get new bolts, but I will now, thanks for that.
 
Good work. That is exactly what I did for mine to fit, running the same battery. I didn't get new bolts, but I will now, thanks for that.

Thanks. That did seam to be the easiest way to get it done.
 
Were you able to get the floor panel to lay flat? I had to buy kinetic's side posts because the ones that came with it were too high.
 
I did. That is something i should of included in the write up. You know hows theres a sponge/foam block that is glued to the bottomside of the floor panel? Well this sponge sits on top of the battery. Now that the battery is a taller, i just cut this foam block down a bit it. This lowered the floor panel in place. Just make sure you dont cut too much off. Then the floor panel will sit on the posts.
 
This is the old system I had (I later upgraded the box which took over my trunk).

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Thesse 2 12's and amp were really killing my electrical. I would have constant dimming headlights and dash lights. For my new system I had to get as much power from my stock electrical as possible. Now that I had the new batt, the big 3 was next.

I know wiring is a mess. I cleaned it up later that day.
 
The Big Three

I know 99% of you know this but for those few that dont, the purpose of the big three is to upgrade your electrical for your battery and alternator to allow better flow of current. Wires to upgrade are: Ground cable from battery, goes from "-" terminal of battery to a better ground location. Usually a strut mount or the frame itself. Possitive battery cable, goes from "+" battery terminal to alternator. Negative battery cable, goes from "-" battery terminal to a stong ground location, usually engine block. The wires used are usually 0 gauge.

These cables are an addition to the factory wiring that are already in place. Factory cables need to remain connected.

There are many ways to do the big 3, this is the way I did mine.

-You have to be carefull when purchasing your 0 gauge wire. Just because the manufactur states that it is 0 gauge, does not mean it is necessarily true 0 gauge. I baught a DB Link amp wiring kit, CKODZ from sonic for $65 (was initially going to use 2 amps), and 24 ft of Cadence 0 gauge wire from audiosavings for $49. The plan was to use the provided 0 gauge from the amp kit and the extra 0 gauge to do the big three and amp install. Heres a comparison of the 2 wires.

-Cadence left, DB link right

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-DB link left, Cadence right

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If what I was after was insulation, I would be extremley happy with the DB link wire. Im sure neither of these wires are 100% copper but I can tell you the DB link uses more aluminum than anything else. In my opinion, stay away from DB link wires, their other products are great. The fuse holder is very good quality, but as you can see, their wires are sad. If you have the money to spare, go with Kicker or Stinger.

Long night at work. Ill update as soon as I can.
 
Ok so for the big three, I first took apart the areas i would be working in.

-I took off my front passenger tire and inner fender as this is the area where the wires will come into the engine compartment.

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-Next I removed the spare tire cover and the carpet trim in the tunk on the passenger side, to expose the strut bolts and have room to run the wires.

-I also removed the rear seat (just the seat no the backrest), as the wiring will need to be run underneath it due to the lack of room in that area. Removing the seat is a breeze. Two black plastic levers anchor the front part of the seat.

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-This is the first cable. I attached it to one of the strut mount bolts and the negative terminal of the battery. Some have said it is best to sand down the paint right below the nut, where your cable makes contact with the body.

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- Now its time to run your two wires from the trunk into the engine compartment. One of them the "+" batt to alt, and other the "-" batt to engine for ground.

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At first i was unsure if I would be able to run the wires under the carpet due to the limited room. But its possible.

You will notice that the factory wiring runs along the passenger side as well. As that wiring enters the cab, it runs under a bracket beside the back seat. The two 0 gauge runs will not fit alongside the factory wiring so will have to basically run underneath the back seat back rest. You can see part of this bracket on the picture above, on the far right.

The trunk is the only area of the car where the wires will be visible.

- Both wires running under the back seat back rest.

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- Notice that the seat is removed and wires will run under the seat.

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- Running the wires under the carpet on the passenger side.

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There is only one area inside the cab that is troublesome. There is a plastic tab, on the frame of the car, right beside the passenger seat. Youll need to push both wires below this tab and against the frame or else the carpeting will " bulge out" and be tight against the passenger seat which will create pressure working against the movement of the seat. You dont want to put a strain on the seat motors. Very tight quarters.

- A bit hard to see but theres the black tab.

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Now to run the wires from the cab into the engine compartment

-Underneath the passenger side carpeting. Notice all the room available to the left of the wiring.

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-After cutting out the excess rubber. Now theres room for both the wires.

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Hardest part of the big three was runnning the wires through this opening. It is hard to run both wires through the opening and keep the rubber "gasket" from pushing out. Everytime you try to push out the wires, the rubber peice wants to go with it. At the end, I just let the rubber peice push out. I then pushed both wires through it, and then placed the rubber back in its location using needle nose pliers.

-Both wires through opening.

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-Both wires out from the cab into the wheel well.

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-From here i looked for the best way to reach the alternator/ engine. After some thought and multiple attempts, this is how it worked best.

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All the wiring was well protected. I covered the exposed areas with flame retardant plastic wire counduit and then wrapped the closest areas to the engine with heat retardant tape from Autozone. The rest with electrical tape.

-Wires in place. Notice the silicone (fresh) I used against the rubber gasket to create a watertight seal. Multiple zip ties keep the wires in place.

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-Portion of the wires that will be exposed after re installing inner fender.

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So now the connections.

- "+" batt to alternator "+". Easy to find. Just look for the red wire and connect your "+" with the same nut.

(Pic before I wrapped and protected the wire)

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Next the "-" to engine for ground. There are many bolts on our engines but the one I saw the easiest to install on was the "-" from the starter. This bolt goes directly to the engine.

If any member knows of a better place, chime in, but that is one very direct bolt.

-Wire attached to starter. (Again before I wrapped the wires)

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After the complete install, the only place where these wires will be visible is in the trunk. If you havea smaller sub box, you may be able to run under the spare tire cover as it extends all the way to the back seats.

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It is very important to fuse your power wires, both for your amp and the new wire leading to the alternator. Ive heard some people say no less than 18" from battery and others, no less than 12".

-Both my fuses back to back. 200 amp for both. "+" cable on left is leading to the amp.

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-Close up of the wiring on the battery. All factory wiring still attached.
-Blue wire- "-" batt to engine
-Silver wire- "-" batt to strut bolt
-Brown wire 1 - "+" batt to alt, 200A fused
-Brown wire 2 - "+" batt to amp, 200A fused
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That is how I wired the big three. Like i said before, there are many ways to do it.

Ive been running this set up for about 3 months now. I have checked the exposed wiring by the engine at least once a week and have seen no wear or tears. Both wires are fine.

Before I did the big three to my LS, I had badly dimming lights and dash lights (with my old 1k system). Currently I am running a DC 12 XL on an AQ2200. I never ran this system on the stock electrical or stock battery so I cant compare how this system would act using it. I can tell you that since Ive upgraded my battery and electrical, my lights have not dimmed. I beleive this is due to my new battery and the big thee. Dont know how the voltage would act doing the big three with a stock battery.

I am running more watts and a hungrier sub and the upgraded battery and big three have worked. My voltage barely moves and 99% of the time im over 14 volts. When i get a little excited and really turn it up, then my voltage drops to around 13.7 or so and only for a fraction of a second when the big bass hits. (When Im very excited!!)

I like it, im very glad I did it and hope it is helpfull to you guys. If any one knows a better way chime in. Constructive criticism welcomed. :)
 
if you wanted to hide that little bit of wire that is showing in the trunk, you can also remove the outer side of the rear seat (release latch at the top and a bolt at the bottom) you can see where the factory wire goes and fit it through near there. you can see it here in this pic


also yea dont be fooled by cheap wire, i think its bull sh!t that companies can get away calling it something its not. but usually if a brand of wire is half the price of another brand, there is a reason.
 
Yeah its deff an area where i could of passed the wires. Very tight but im sure its possible with a bit of deconstruction.

I wasnt aware companies could falsely advertise wiring like that. Im sure they may be able to claim that they meant "0 gauge w/ the insulation".
 
Ive seen advertised 2 gauge but really is more like 8 or less. It is ridiculous what some of these company's are allowed to get away with but as long as people still keep buying it they will still keep selling it....
 
Wow great write up and photos.

Now if we could get a reliable HO alt for a gen II I would be all over this.
 
Im not trying to be an ass or anything because I'm definitely a new kid to this just turned 18 and own the LS but um, is the big three (-) from alt to ground; (+) from alt to battery; and (-) from battery to Ground? If it were this way for us it should be one really long piece of 0 gauge and then two relatively short pieces. BTW is KnuKonceptz a good brand of power wire?
 
Thanks guys. Yeah a good HO alt would be great, although I would be tempted to buy a bigger sub and amp.

Im not trying to be an ass or anything because I'm definitely a new kid to this just turned 18 and own the LS but um, is the big three (-) from alt to ground; (+) from alt to battery; and (-) from battery to Ground? If it were this way for us it should be one really long piece of 0 gauge and then two relatively short pieces. BTW is KnuKonceptz a good brand of power wire?

No worries. You re correct on the last 2 wires but confused or a typo on the first. The wire will run from "-" batt to engine block. Remember that these three wires already exist. Your stock batt is already connected to the alt and so on. We are just increasing the size of the wiring therfore increasing the current capacity which will better the flow of current to the audio system.

You do bring up a good pt. Though. Why not just run one "+" wire to the alt and use shorter lenghts for the other two to ground? That's what I wondered at first. Well for one, the engine block is one hell of a ground and I remember a thread on here a few months ago, where a member mentioned how important the neg batt to engine block was. Ill search for this thread ltr today but I faintly remember it being important becaue this wire would also be used in allowing the alt to quickly recharge the batt or keep its voltage up when needed. I know its on one of the big three or HO alt threads.
 

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