Don Pfau
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Sorry.
My 0-60
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Sorry.
philly0420
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I did say that I had every mod but a supercharger in a thread once. Maybe thats where you got it from. Don, are you running DR on the back of your mark?
MediumD
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I think I'm the only one so far with an SC Mark who's nuts enough to think he needs a 200 button just in case. Probably just confused you with me.
If you read the bottom of everyone of his posts he lists his mods.
philly0420
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I see that he lists ET streets, but that doesn't mean they were on during the run, but I suspect they were. He had a thread were he was looking for 2 wheels to mount the DRs on. My sig is incorrect right now as I don't have the 3200 stall right now. That being said. I would say that Tiltedhalo's car on DRs is just as fast as Don's car on street tires.
mid 12's n/a with 3.55's that is a daily driver....come on. ok now I reread your post..if I recall he had one run on drag radials and I believe he said he broke 13 maybe...I don't believe Don is going to lose 4/10's by going to good gripping street radials...
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driller
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Or install a SpeedCal.
philly0420
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Tiltedhalo said his car ran high 12s on DRs. Dons car runs 12.5 (best run) on DRs. So if Don switched to street tires, I think the two cars would be close. I bet Th's car would maybe even beat Don's if he had 4.10s and a good stall.
if you say so.
philly0420
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I know you hate gen2s but IMO Don's car should run faster than 12.5 with all the mods.
it has nothing to do with my opinion of gen 2's...I have never said I hate them...I have never been in one...maybe his car will run faster as he gets more runs down the track...it isn't the gen 2's that bother me it is some of the owners who are down right arrogant showing little or no respect to the gen 1...it is clear that the gen 1 overall is a faster car with a few gen 2's going outside the bellcurve...I am sure the gen 2 has some features to make up for it's lack of punch out of it's factory wrapped box.
philly0420
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I have owned both and my gen2 felt like a three legged race horse.
MediumD
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Once you get into modifying these things, Gen 1 vs Gen 2 doesn't matter. The same mods apply to either gen, so the only difference between the two is the Gen 1 will still look better. 
philly0420
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Well a gen 1 and a gen 2 with the exact same mods should still run a little different. Aren't the gen 2s heavier.
chris2523
93 Mark VIII
and odb1 vs odb2.
that has to make some kind of a difference.
that has to make some kind of a difference.
Opinions and ass holes.Once you get into modifying these things, Gen 1 vs Gen 2 doesn't matter. The same mods apply to either gen, so the only difference between the two is the Gen 1 will still look better.
philly0420
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Not really Anderson Ford makes a PMS. It is better than any hand held odbII tuner out there. I just have to go buy the damn thing.
No its not. You have no where near the controll or ability to read what the engine is doing like an OBDII setup. Ive had it on my 92 Mustang and can tell ya its a finicky bitch and dont like MAF. You have to use MAP sensors and thats a bs way of doing things.
philly0420
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BULLCHIT. I have seen them in a mark and in a 5.0 and they are the chit.
http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.c...category_id=31&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1
http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.c...category_id=31&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1
Wanna cookie? I didnt say it was a total POS as it is lightyears better then just burning a chip but it in now way is as good as an XCal with the proper software. I can say this as I have spent months toying with my PMS and know for a fact it does not have all the controlls, coding and reading that a OBDII setup has.
Have you actually programed a PMS? How about written code for an OBDII system?
philly0420
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PMS yes. The PMS is a very good tuner. It is one of the easiest if not the easiest to use. Like everything in life, it is only as good as the time you invest in it. The problem with most people running the PMS is they buy it than don't want to invest any time in it. The just ask for a "tune". There is no one tune. You have to tune each engine seperately. There are quite a few "startup tunes" on stangtuning.com to get you started
Again, not saying its bad. I am refuting your statement that its as good as or better then any HHT. A PMS just like an XCal is only as good as its tuner. They both offer marginal gains out of the box and better gains when used right. But only one can read each coil to really figure out detonation issues. Only one can read and realy what the cats are doing. Only one can offer full fuel map controll. Only one can use MAF sensors properly. The ease of use is far greater too assuming you know what the parameters mean.
While I do like Gen one noses the rest of the car I prefer what the Gen II has. And the big thing I like is the tunability. OBD is not nearly as controllable as OBDII is. Go to ANY tuning site and they will say the same.
NoLimit95
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My ex-wives had the PMS and it "tuned" me to run away a lot faster. Yes, they were a bitch. 
MediumD
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Both are able to be tuned to support similar modifications, though OBDII is easier. And don't forget that 96s are Gen 1 and OBDII.
Don Pfau
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M/T Street ET's I did a lot of research and they got the traction and had the size I wanted and needed.