coyote swap?

Jamie, the GT's and V-6's are already out. Suncoast ford, and Walker ford already have them in stock.
 
Psychostang said:
Jamie, the GT's and V-6's are already out. Suncoast ford, and Walker ford already have them in stock.
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Saw a V6 at the local dealer yesterday.

24 and change for that engine, is a steal.

No GT's on that lot yet.

Personally, I would go with the 6 just for the insurance difference. You'll get killed (I think) going over 400hp.
 
Tiltedhalo said:
The new 5.0 isn't really that big of a deal, Ford is simple making what people have been doing to the 4.6, stroking it to 5.0. The biggest deal is the VVT with that these motors are broad on power and torque off idle straight to the top. Just stroke your 4.6 and find a way to implement the VVT:D
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Actually it is very different:

"The new 5.0 really is an all-new engine sharing virtually no parts with the prior 4.6-liter. Only the bore spacing and deck height were carried over."


http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/28/deep-dive-fords-all-new-5-0-v8/
 
thaywood said:
The new V-6 'Stang is awesome. Who needs a GT when you can have 305hp and sub-14 second 1/4 mile runs? Plus 31mpg (well, more like 25 or so in the "real world" - the EPA is woefully optimistic). But BMW killer handling? I just don't think so. With cheap-a$$ McPherson struts (disclaimer: I hate struts. Struts are for cheesy Korean econoboxes. I prefer a proper upper and lower control arm setup like the one in our Mark VIII's) in the front and an ancient live axle in the back, I just don't see it keeping pace with a Bimmer. But I could be wrong.
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You are wrong :D

Here is a quote from Autoblog again - This is a comparison with the GT, however, the V6 with the handling package is similar.

"It's true, a quarter mile doth not a sports car make, which is why these next figures are so important. While the M3 can come down from 60 mph in 105 feet, the Mustang can do the same in 104. And here's the real shocker: Both cars hold onto the skidpad at .97 g"


http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/16/2011-ford-mustang-gt-vs-2010-bmw-m3-tie-game/
 
LaserSVT said:
And the one test that showed like 386 at the wheels was tested in 4th gear. 4th gear is not 1:1 on the Stang. Its 5th gear that is the 1:1 gear. I have been suprised watching the two dyno runs done by magazines and both times it was in 4th. I was like WTF? Dont you ass hats know what you are doing?
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4th is 1:1. 5th is overdrive, and if it has the six-speed, that is over-drive as well.
 
brentalan said:
You are wrong :D

Here is a quote from Autoblog again - This is a comparison with the GT, however, the V6 with the handling package is similar.

"It's true, a quarter mile doth not a sports car make, which is why these next figures are so important. While the M3 can come down from 60 mph in 105 feet, the Mustang can do the same in 104. And here's the real shocker: Both cars hold onto the skidpad at .97 g"


http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/16/2011-ford-mustang-gt-vs-2010-bmw-m3-tie-game/
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Interesting...maybe I was mistaken...but I still HATE cheap-a$$ McPherson struts.:D
 
I wouldn't bother with the 5.0 swap. If I were you I'd buy a Terminator engine and swap it over to your Teksid block. Sure the 5.0s have great numbers from the factory but no one knows how well they're going to do under boost and won't for several years until a people have blown them up. You will make plenty of power with a properly built 4.6 for cheaper than you will with the new 5.0 and for a hell of a lot less hassle.
 
2011 Mustang GT
1st 3.66
2nd 2.43
3rd 1.69
4th 1.32
5th 1.00
6th 0.65
 
brentalan said:
You are wrong :D

Here is a quote from Autoblog again - This is a comparison with the GT, however, the V6 with the handling package is similar.

"It's true, a quarter mile doth not a sports car make, which is why these next figures are so important. While the M3 can come down from 60 mph in 105 feet, the Mustang can do the same in 104. And here's the real shocker: Both cars hold onto the skidpad at .97 g"


http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/16/2011-ford-mustang-gt-vs-2010-bmw-m3-tie-game/
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The V6 won't run off the line with the M3, but it should handle well enough.

Put the cheaper of the Griggs suspension package on and really piss off some BMW owners...:D
 
I'd want to know virtually ALL the details of this engine before committing to any kind of swap. For that to happen would require just sitting on the idea and observing the success of the engine (and it's applications) over the long term. We already know the pros/cons of the various 4.6 configurations, but as yet, this 'new breed' 5.0 is an unknown quantity.
 
I am sure its a typical bulletproof Ford V-8 but the swap is just too much for now.

Because you have to use its computer so that the Variable Valve Timing works and if I am not mistaken, dont this engine have variable intake runners too?
But say you do swap it over, you then still have all the other issues. Computer will be looking for side airbags, yaw sensor, window sensor (new Stangs the window drops a hair when you open the door) and a dozen other sensors we prolly dont know exist in the cars chasis.

You cant use a stand alone management system cause then you cant controll the cam timing.
The engine is neat as hell but swapping it into a Mark just isnt a reality. :(
 
Not in the recient past. Ever since they did that test where they run the engine at WOT for 150 hours fluxuating between max HP RPM and max TQ RPM their engines have eliminated many weak spots.

I forgot how many rods they shot into the walls before deeming the 03/04 Cobra engine worthy.

Besides spark plug issues you dont hear too many defect failures on Ford 4.6 DOHC/SOHC, 5.4 DOHC/SOHC, 302 pushrods, 351's. Sure you hear of some wierd stuff on the LS or the old SHO's but those were not Ford engines.
 
well thanks to everbody who had some constructive pionts. no doubt this would be a hard swap. Blue is right that i really need to sit down and learn as much about this moter as i can. that and high costs will probably make this swap have to wait about 3 years. i am ready to bet guys with early 2000's stang will try swaping 5.0's into there car as soon as the can get there hands on them. i will let them fix all the major problems and the will leave me with only the mark 8 spacific probelms to fix witch should help.
 
LaserSVT said:
I am sure its a typical bulletproof Ford V-8 but the swap is just too much for now.

Because you have to use its computer so that the Variable Valve Timing works and if I am not mistaken, dont this engine have variable intake runners too?
But say you do swap it over, you then still have all the other issues. Computer will be looking for side airbags, yaw sensor, window sensor (new Stangs the window drops a hair when you open the door) and a dozen other sensors we prolly dont know exist in the cars chasis.

You cant use a stand alone management system cause then you cant controll the cam timing.
The engine is neat as hell but swapping it into a Mark just isnt a reality. :(
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Not unless Ford offers a "crate" engine and harness/ECM package that only worries about the engine...
 
96mark8 said:
that and high costs will probably make this swap have to wait about 3 years.
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Yeah, 3-5 years would be a good length of time IMO, because:

- Prices will have dropped dramatically.

- All the main problems/solutions will be known.

- The aftermarket will be heavily into it.

- There'll be engine swaps and magazine write-ups galore!
 
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