coyote swap?

Just my two cents, but saying this engine is new tech is like saying the SOHC 4.6L and the DOHC 4.6L are totally different engines. The 5L is just a refinement of the 4.6 the engines are dynamically the same except for bore and stroke. The oil pan has a larger capacity and better oil return, the block also includes piston oil cooling jets to help with cold start up oil heating and high RPM oiling. The block also has better oil return ability's, but it is still an aluminum modular block just a little refined. The heads are 4V and utilize 12mm head bolts better runner designs and Ti-VCT ie cam torque actuated variable camshaft timing, witch by the way Ford should have done 10 years ago.
Basically its a very quick re hash with some new gizmos.
 
You are right, it is old Jap tech and Kraut tech. So, uh, how many GM or Chrysler products have a DOHC VVT V-8 in their group...... or a VVT twin turbo sixer? I am currently very proud of Ford. They seem to be finally listening to their customers instead of putting red covers over their ancient pushrod tech.
I love this new engine and cant wait to go play with one. I want a new GT more then a last gen GT500. Yeah its high comp so blowers will require internals and sure Ford will never pony up the coin needed to make a Teksid block again but its still a damn fine piece of motor IMHO. So what if its block can only handle half what a Teksid can. Thats still damn near 1000 hp! :lol:
 
MEH futility...
Say it fugger!


You know I am one of the people that actually listens. We can have a suedo intelectual conversation. I have a few sober brain cells left. Better hurry though cause they are about to cave in to peer pressure. :p
 
Holy crap! That's amazing! I would love to see a picture of that setup. SLA front suspension in a Mustang. Why won't Ford do that? Now, if they would just come up with an IRS setup the Mustang really could hang with the big dogs.


I've been doing this since last year, with GT500's, here's a link with about 6 pages of pictures:

http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259584

When I went to Shelby Automobiles with Grigg's to talk about suspensions for the possibly new GT350R that hasn't been released yet, post #15 it where is gets rolling:

http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266079




Enjoy!



Dr. SVO phd
 
Yeah, but the 5.0 will and it's cheaper than a 328i

The V6 will hang with the 335 which is damn impressive IMO


The V6 won't run off the line with the M3, but it should handle well enough.

Put the cheaper of the Griggs suspension package on and really piss off some BMW owners...:D
 
bah im going one better 2jz YO

2jzswapwithnas.jpg
 
Some like Tom, know muy customer Jason (The AT&T guy) and his new 5.0 is sitting in the rail yard waiting to be released after the software hold up that Ford was doing.

This 2011 GT will be in my hands for mods very, very shortly.

Any ways I see no serious issues for being able to swap the new 5.slo inthe FN10 platform as of this point, since the platoform already comes in both standard and automatic I now see where the FN10 platform can now have it;s cake and eat it too.

First the standard transmission:

The sifter in he S197 platform cars is a rail shifted box with an add-on shifter assy that puts the shifter some 8-10 rearward, bouns for the FN10 folks, now all you need is a pedal assy that can be hydraulically actuated, not too hard to fab up actually, and the fluid feeds from the mastercylinder from the brake master.

Trans out put shaft has a flange that will have to be adapted to a one piece drive shaft, still nothing about rocket science here.



The Automatic

Now since the FN10 plaform is already an automatic set up this is cake at it's best, 6spds and computer controlled.
Not much more to get into about this, other than the drive shaft again, already coverd above.


The engine:

Still loosely baised on the 4.6, motor mounts should be interchangeable, if not, fabbed one are all that are to make.



PCM:

Here you go, take it directly from the donnor vehicle you got it from, be it stick or slush box, the harness for the engine and trans are one, and come out with the whole assy.

The PCM has three plugs on it and is PC baised (so-to-speak) the other plug is for the CAN-BUS data on the stabillity control, ABS, SRS, Body Control, HVAC, and PATS, most of this can be intergrated with the old systems and or/upgraded with thier respected moduals, and some with the availability of tuning software can be written out (Traction Control can not be at this time) other systems can be disabled/ or put into a fault status, like we had to at Shelby with the Grabber blue 2010 to keep Stabillity Control to stop activating the brakes, during heavy cornering and pending drift, which had the brakes smoking hot, and didn't allow for the driver to control the car to to the edge of the envelope.

This is not a difficult swap, ther will be as much software work needed to be done to account for absent or molested CAN-BUS moduals but no big deal.


This is cake, and once you make enough monies to get over the sticker shock of the drivetrain cost you'll be right on track, bring me the car and the complete pullout drivetrain and go away and let me do what I do.





Dr. SVO phd
 
Some like Tom, know muy customer Jason (The AT&T guy) and his new 5.0 is sitting in the rail yard waiting to be released after the software hold up that Ford was doing.

This 2011 GT will be in my hands for mods very, very shortly.

Any ways I see no serious issues for being able to swap the new 5.slo inthe FN10 platform as of this point, since the platoform already comes in both standard and automatic I now see where the FN10 platform can now have it;s cake and eat it too.

First the standard transmission:

The sifter in he S197 platform cars is a rail shifted box with an add-on shifter assy that puts the shifter some 8-10 rearward, bouns for the FN10 folks, now all you need is a pedal assy that can be hydraulically actuated, not too hard to fab up actually, and the fluid feeds from the mastercylinder from the brake master.

Trans out put shaft has a flange that will have to be adapted to a one piece drive shaft, still nothing about rocket science here.



The Automatic

Now since the FN10 plaform is already an automatic set up this is cake at it's best, 6spds and computer controlled.
Not much more to get into about this, other than the drive shaft again, already coverd above.


The engine:

Still loosely baised on the 4.6, motor mounts should be interchangeable, if not, fabbed one are all that are to make.



PCM:

Here you go, take it directly from the donnor vehicle you got it from, be it stick or slush box, the harness for the engine and trans are one, and come out with the whole assy.

The PCM has three plugs on it and is PC baised (so-to-speak) the other plug is for the CAN-BUS data on the stabillity control, ABS, SRS, Body Control, HVAC, and PATS, most of this can be intergrated with the old systems and or/upgraded with thier respected moduals, and some with the availability of tuning software can be written out (Traction Control can not be at this time) other systems can be disabled/ or put into a fault status, like we had to at Shelby with the Grabber blue 2010 to keep Stabillity Control to stop activating the brakes, during heavy cornering and pending drift, which had the brakes smoking hot, and didn't allow for the driver to control the car to to the edge of the envelope.

This is not a difficult swap, ther will be as much software work needed to be done to account for absent or molested CAN-BUS moduals but no big deal.


This is cake, and once you make enough monies to get over the sticker shock of the drivetrain cost you'll be right on track, bring me the car and the complete pullout drivetrain and go away and let me do what I do.





Dr. SVO phd

Understood.

However, I can drop in a Hyland 450hp 4.6 for 15k and keep my current tranny. How much is the 5.0 going to cost to drop in?

I'm just asking...;)
 
Sure the 5.0s have great numbers from the factory but no one knows how well they're going to do under boost and won't for several years until a people have blown them up.


WRONG in the years dept, SAI is putting 5psi Whipples on the new GT350's with N/A being optional, and the ARE NOT touching the bottom end.

These powder rods are gonna be flying unless they get it just right, and the first car TBD is in June.



And EVO I'm sure of it already has one apart to change the rods and pistons for low CPR for the alotment of big boost levels.







Dr. SVO phd
 
currently there are only two people that can access the pcm
one jeff doesnt know, the other jeff FIRED.

good luck with any pcm tuning....
 
Yeah, but the 5.0 will and it's cheaper than a 328i

The V6 will hang with the 335 which is damn impressive IMO

Can you imagine the look on the face of the guy driving the 335 as he's getting his ass handed to him by a Mustang.....:D
 
Understood.

However, I can drop in a Hyland 450hp 4.6 for 15k and keep my current tranny. How much is the 5.0 going to cost to drop in?

I'm just asking...;)


A s h i t ton more monies than you or I would probably want to spend right now but estimated a complete pull out will be around $12k-$18k pending milage and transmission.






Dr. SVO phd
 
you forget, this is the
"I'm not spending 1500.00 on a 1500.00 car" crowd.

Wrong market Jeff
 
not only that but imagine the look on his face when a pimply-faced teenage girl with braces that is driving the V6/auto runs a 13.7 and shuts him down







Can you imagine the look on the face of the guy driving the 335 as he's getting his ass handed to him by a Mustang.....:D
 
A s h i t ton more monies than you or I would probably want to spend right now but estimated a complete pull out will be around $12k-$18k pending milage and transmission.






Dr. SVO phd

Meh, not as bad as I thought.

Personally, again, I just don't see the advantage of doing the swap. The 4.6 can put out as much power, and it's already in our cars. And the 15k is for a built motor, one could probably get close to that hp rating with far less invested.

Interesting idea, but not worth the hassle, imho.
 
Meh, not as bad as I thought.

Personally, again, I just don't see the advantage of doing the swap. The 4.6 can put out as much power, and it's already in our cars. And the 15k is for a built motor, one could probably get close to that hp rating with far less invested.

Interesting idea, but not worth the hassle, imho.


Exactly, but I'll build whatever someone wants me to build I'll do it, the main thing is thinking out side the box, IT CAN BE DONE, just how much do you want to spend???!!!!???!!
 
you forget, this is the
"I'm not spending 1500.00 on a 1500.00 car" crowd.

Wrong market Jeff
I sincerly hope you are not including me in your general generalization. Ill bitch slap you with $5000 in reciepts from just the last 3 months. :p
 
I sincerly hope you are not including me in your general generalization. Ill bitch slap you with $5000 in reciepts from just the last 3 months. :p

bitch, at what point do you think you fit into the general populace of this community?

Dont flatter yourself Bill, you do not represent the majority of this community with your knowledge level NOR spending habits.
 
ith $5000 in reciepts from just the last 3 months. :p

thats far too much money to spend and still be in the same ZIP code as a near stock first gen.

anything else you'd like me to bitchslap you with?

???
 
me too. F*CK MCPHERSON STRUTS

Amen brother!

I've been doing this since last year, with GT500's, here's a link with about 6 pages of pictures:

http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259584

When I went to Shelby Automobiles with Grigg's to talk about suspensions for the possibly new GT350R that hasn't been released yet, post #15 it where is gets rolling:

http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266079




Enjoy!



Dr. SVO phd

WOW!!!:gr_hail:
 
Say it fugger!


You know I am one of the people that actually listens. We can have a suedo intelectual conversation. I have a few sober brain cells left. Better hurry though cause they are about to cave in to peer pressure. :p

While I'd love to "bring you up to speed" I simply cant/wont due to my comments would spawn 15 pages of BS replies from people that have their head stuck either up their AZZ or beleive everything they read in MM & FF

too many times I've given good accurate information to the community and have had to spend 10 times the amount of time spent on the original post, splitting hairs with internet experts who haven't driven their mark 8 forwards as far as I've driven mine backwards.

meh.. I'm really fed up with the internet as a whole..
 
thats far too much money to spend and still be in the same ZIP code as a near stock first gen.

anything else you'd like me to bitchslap you with?

???
Youre such a c u n t. :(

I am stupid though for focusing on braking and handeling before I focus on making power..... oh wait, no im not! :p


Just couldnt see throwing 400+ hp in a car that couldnt stop it or hold it to the pavement.
 

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