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Class
Full-size luxury sedan

Body style
4-door sedan

Layout
Transverse front-engine, front-wheel drive / all-wheel drive

Platform
GM Epsilon II

Related
Chevrolet Impala (Tenth Generation)
Buick LaCrosse (Second Generation)
Saab 9-5 (Second Generation)

The SS is just the Pontiac GTO with a few extra cubes. Doesn't have direct injection, doesn't have VVT, doesn't have AFM, does have a gas guzzler tax, has a LOWER average fuel economy than a freakin' Suburban... I was really interested in an SS as a replacement for my LS, until I found all this out. Still hoping they will fix this problem before lack of sales kills it because I'd like to get one but will NOT buy a car that gets worse mileage than a Suburban. And nobody say it's a performance car either, the Corvette will smoke the SS like a cheap cigar and gets 30MPG when driven nicely. At least they didn't hang the SS with a 4 speed trans, it comes with a 6 speed auto. No manual, just a 6 speed auto, and it's not like they don't have the Camaro SS 6 speed manual available to them.
Ummm actually Chevrolet and pretty much every car review site classifies the SS as a performance car. The SS and Corvette are two totally different vehicles, and it doesn't surprise me that a 2 door all out sports car that happens to be the pride and joy of the GM Performance Division that is lighter and more powerful than the SS could smoke it. The SS gets 21/14 MPG which is right around the cars it actually competes with, the Suburban gets 21/15 MPG so yes it's 1 MPG better in the city, but the reason to that is the 5.3L Vortec uses Active Fuel Management Cylinder Deactivation, something the SS isn't equipped with.
http://www.chevrolet.com/ss-sports-sedan.html
 
Good read. If only it were true.. :(

Remember that I wrote the original article in 1999. Things were much brighter then. That was when Jacques Nasser ran the show and was not only 100% behind the LS, but also had on the books plans for a smaller car based on this platform ("3 series"), as well as a larger one ("Continental"). And the 2005 Mustang was originally to be based on it too.

Then Bill Ford, who thought he could run the entire company, stepped in and there was a whole range of cancellations to the plans, and as you know thousands and thousands of jobs were lost as the company quickly went downhill. Lincolns dealers didn't know how to sell the LS, and could barely sell the Mercurys they were saddled with. The Thunderbird was cancelled, and we then knew the LS was dead. Too bad, because updates to the platform were in the pipeline... and they were all lost. Even the stuff that was mentioned at the original launch, such as a supercharged engine, a 6-speed manual, and a Brembo brake option were all lost. The engine was even shown in the T-Bird.

I'm disappointed to see the thread has degenerated into a Chevy SS conversation... remember that the SS has already been cancelled along with everything else GM builds in Australia. That means no more SS after 2 years, as well as no more Caprice cop car ;-) and 1 less preferred drift car on Arab highways. It remains to be seen if GM will produce something to replace it based on the new Alpha platform, which is an excellent clean-sheet design already underpinning the ATS and CTS (and in 2016 the next Camaro). Platform sharing is being done right at GM... while Ford practices it with former Volvo platforms for the Taurus and MKS (both morbidly obese monsters, and the thought of the MKS as a replacement for the LS is as ridiculous as the 4396 pound SHO).

Last year I obtained a 16k mile 2006 LS for daily business driving use. It's reminded me again of what a great platform this was. Not perfect, although the basic bones are great, the instrument panel and seats are crude by today's standards. I liken this to a first-gen G35... where the second gen version of that platform yielded the G37 that we still have today (which underpins the Q50). The 2nd-gen LS would have been terriffic.

Here's the motor the LS was supposed to get:
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What do we need? The Lincoln MKR. The show car was based on the current S197 Mustang, with the IRS suspension that Nasser's successors cancelled. Look how handsome this is - it's just what Lincoln needs and the reaction amongst potential buyers would be immediate. Build this car on the new S550 platform, Lincoln, and put the EcoBoost 3.5 in it!
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Stugots already posted the smoking tire review of the SS, which is spot on. I feel it's very LS esque in how it's life will play out.
 
Lincoln still doesn't know what kind of demographics they're trying to sell their cars. That's why they don't have any idea what to build. Eventually this brand/company could suffer a slow death just like Mercury. Cadillac is easily eating the share of their pie.

Going to miss those town cars.

GM on the other hand has a design that becomes dated (or boring) after 2+ years, the corvette and the last gen firebird is my exception though.
 

OK, imagine me in front of you with tears in my eyes and a love struck look on my face as I tell you this story.

I went to Crown Jaguar of St Petersburg today to look at the Dew98 platform cars. They had the XF-R and the XJ-R in the showroom. Absolutely BEAUTIFUL automobiles. There was even a Black XJ-R with graphite wheels black interior and what looked like burgundy seat inserts just outside of the showroom. I would love to have that one. But, oh my what did they have in the corner of the showroom in what they call Polaris White? An XKR-S GT! I swear I did not go to look at that car and I am in LOVE! The sales consultant had to grab hold of me because he thought I was gonna faint. I almost came and went at the same time. I had to sit down in his chair. That is a BAD A55 CAR! My dream has been to have a Ferrari 550/575 GTR for the street with the loud high pitch whining gearbox and super stiff everything on it. Well, I think that has been replaced by this gorgeous monster. (Sigh) I guess I might have to start selling some dope this summer. Time to buy some throw away towels just in case I have a big wet dream tonight.
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The sales consultant (Arnis Rudzitis) said there were only 80 built I think and only 20 or so to the states. I bought my lotto tickets.
 
ok, imagine me in front of you with tears in my eyes and a love struck look on my face as i tell you this story.

I went to crown jaguar of st petersburg today to look at the dew98 platform cars. They had the xf-r and the xj-r in the showroom. Absolutely beautiful automobiles. There was even a black xj-r with graphite wheels black interior and what looked like burgundy seat inserts just outside of the showroom. I would love to have that one. But, oh my what did they have in the corner of the showroom in what they call polaris white? An xkr-s gt! I swear i did not go to look at that car and i am in love! The sales consultant had to grab hold of me because he thought i was gonna faint. I almost came and went at the same time. I had to sit down in his chair. That is a bad a55 car! My dream has been to have a ferrari 550/575 gtr for the street with the loud high pitch whining gearbox and super stiff everything on it. Well, i think that has been replaced by this gorgeous monster. (sigh) i guess i might have to start selling some dope this summer. Time to buy some throw away towels just in case i have a big wet dream tonight.
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the sales consultant (arnis rudzitis) said there were only 80 built i think and only 20 or so to the states. I bought my lotto tickets.

Oh MY!!!!!!
 
Ummm actually Chevrolet and pretty much every car review site classifies the SS as a performance car. The SS and Corvette are two totally different vehicles, and it doesn't surprise me that a 2 door all out sports car that happens to be the pride and joy of the GM Performance Division that is lighter and more powerful than the SS could smoke it. The SS gets 21/14 MPG which is right around the cars it actually competes with, the Suburban gets 21/15 MPG so yes it's 1 MPG better in the city, but the reason to that is the 5.3L Vortec uses Active Fuel Management Cylinder Deactivation, something the SS isn't equipped with.
http://www.chevrolet.com/ss-sports-sedan.html

So the Corvette, which DOES have AFM and VVT, isn't a performance vehicle? This was my point, the SS is just a rehashed GTO. It even looks like a GTO with a new nose. Had they put the same fuel saving tech into the SS as they did the Corvette and the Suburban they'd have the same performance but with much better mileage like within a mile or two per gallon of the lighter, more aerodynamic Corvette. So my point stands. This is GM's third attempt to slap together old crap (the Commodore Holden) and sell it like something new. Put direct injection, VVT and AFM on the car, and they'll have something worth buying. More than that, offer it with the 3.6 V6 and a 5.3L V8 along with the 6.2L, and offer lower option models for less money (you know, like Dodge does with the quite successful Charger they are competing with whether they realize it or not) and the SS could be their best seller.
 
I'm disappointed to see the thread has degenerated into a Chevy SS conversation...

Yeah me too! I'm not surprised though. There's a lot of people on here that just don't like talking about anything related to Ford's greatest platform. But, there are still enough real enthusiasts on here to make it worth while to visit everyday to share some good info though.
 
Yeah me too! I'm not surprised though. There's a lot of people on here that just don't like talking about anything related to Ford's greatest platform. But, there are still enough real enthusiasts on here to make it worth while to visit everyday to share some good info though.

If Lincoln would bring out a new "domestic" RWD sedan, perhaps those interested in talking about what's new in the RWD V8 sedan world wouldn't have to go to Chevy or Dodge to meet their needs. But, even if Lincoln DID bring one out, people would still compare it to the competitors, ie the SS and the Charger.
 
If Lincoln would bring out a new "domestic" RWD sedan, perhaps those interested in talking about what's new in the RWD V8 sedan world wouldn't have to go to Chevy or Dodge to meet their needs. But, even if Lincoln DID bring one out, people would still compare it to the competitors, ie the SS and the Charger.

Yeah, I hear you man but I'm under my car right now checking stuff out and I don't see any comparison. GM or Chrysler can't touch this. I need new bushings and stuff after 62K miles and there is no play on any part of the suspension. I looked under some Jaguar cars yesterday and it was quite similar besides being cleaner. No lean no squat no dive? Reading everything on here it shouldn't be like that. I'm gonna go to a Chevy dealer today and have a look. If they look as well put together, ill report back.

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you noticed that your lower and upper ball joint boots are cracked

Yes, thank you sir. Those are some of the things I am making note of. I will be addressing those issues in short order. That's one of the reasons I was checking for play in the suspension. Lots of lube left there and absolutely no play at all. Time to order the parts. I appreciate it. :)
 
Yes, thank you sir. Those are some of the things I am making note of. I will be addressing those issues in short order. That's one of the reasons I was checking for play in the suspension. Lots of lube left there and absolutely no play at all. Time to order the parts. I appreciate it. :)

That happened on my daughter's LS when I owned it. I got something called GOOP (at Wal-Mart in the shoe section; it's a shoe repair product) and smeared it all over the boot. It's held fine for the last 5ish years.
 
That happened on my daughter's LS when I owned it. I got something called GOOP (at Wal-Mart in the shoe section; it's a shoe repair product) and smeared it all over the boot. It's held fine for the last 5ish years.

interesting. do you know if this product have protecting properties for boots that do not show wear (yet)?
 
lincoln has to die and 3 yrs must pass before it can be resurrected. somebody needs to pull the plug sooner rather than later.

pretty much every current lincoln vehicle is just a ford with extra options/nicer materials/shinier badges.

if everyone here wanted a new ls this would be a jag forum. go buy a jag if thats what you want and can afford. you wont be disappointed.

my guess is that we are all still driving our ~10 yr old cars for one reason... $$$

and i agree with the guy who said the ss is just like a gto. gto (and even the g8) looked just like a grand am lol

and that tracking s hit in those new cars is real! the powers that be can probably control an ls like a remote controlled toy, they can def do it with a new car. google 'michael hastings' and how his engine was ejected like 60 yards from his 'completely unsuspicious' deadly crash for more info on that.
 
robot you need a jack stand my friend!

Yes, I do. The only thing is I don't know where the jack stands are supposed to go. There are 4 lift points on the car that I'm aware of. I would appreciate some help with that. Thanks.
 
Yeah, I hear you man but I'm under my car right now checking stuff out and I don't see any comparison. GM or Chrysler can't touch this. I need new bushings and stuff after 62K miles and there is no play on any part of the suspension. I looked under some Jaguar cars yesterday and it was quite similar besides being cleaner. No lean no squat no dive? Reading everything on here it shouldn't be like that. I'm gonna go to a Chevy dealer today and have a look. If they look as well put together, ill report back.

Wow that bad after 62k? The heat I'm guessing? I'm at 85k miles on my 03 and mine haven't started cracking yet.
 
Wow that bad after 62k? The heat I'm guessing? I'm at 85k miles on my 03 and mine haven't started cracking yet.

Yep, like that on both sides but no play at all. It has no squeaking either. I may look into the shoe goop stuff. I can actually lift from one of the forward jack points and change both tires on one side.
 
lincoln has to die and 3 yrs must pass before it can be resurrected. somebody needs to pull the plug sooner rather than later.

pretty much every current lincoln vehicle is just a ford with extra options/nicer materials/shinier badges.

if everyone here wanted a new ls this would be a jag forum. go buy a jag if thats what you want and can afford. you wont be disappointed.

my guess is that we are all still driving our ~10 yr old cars for one reason... $$$

and i agree with the guy who said the ss is just like a gto. gto (and even the g8) looked just like a grand am lol

and that tracking s hit in those new cars is real! the powers that be can probably control an ls like a remote controlled toy, they can def do it with a new car. google 'michael hastings' and how his engine was ejected like 60 yards from his 'completely unsuspicious' deadly crash for more info on that.


I'm not sure why people are saying the SS is like the GTO. It's a Pontiac G8 in Chevy skin. It's the exact car GM imported for the G8 6 years ago (obviously with some advancements) on the Zeta platform.

I agree it's going to be about 3 years for Lincoln to hopefully finally right it's ship fully and give enthusiasts what they have been asking for. However, I think their approach right now is the right one. They are shoring up their lower level offerings that people will actually want to buy. Sure, they are built on Ford platforms, but if they give people the comfort/style they are looking for in a non-mainstream brand then it will sell enough to keep the brand in black. Car people might not like the direction right now because there is no RWD performance car to fight the "German Luxury", but that alone won't keep Lincoln from going under. In fact, looking at sales numbers, you can see that Lincoln is starting to turn it around with new MKZ. This is the first real car to be released under the new Lincoln leadership. Next is the MKC which while sharing the Escape platform, has an abundance of changes (wider, lower, new suspension geometry and no shared body panels) that should help differentiate more from Ford.

Alan Mulally has done a tremendous job righting the Ford ship, and Lincoln can be saved as well. It's just going to take time before we see a car enthusiasts/journalists will clamor over and then never buy.
 
if everyone here wanted a new ls this would be a jag forum. go buy a jag if thats what you want and can afford. you wont be disappointed.

I get ya there man sorta. The Jags that are riding on the Dew98 platform are very nice cars. Now, am I driving my 8 year old car because I don't have the money for a newer vehicle? Not at all. I drive it because I love the way it feels. The dynamics of the machine as a whole. The funny thing is there are shortcomings of the LS that, were they not there, the strengths would not be so apparent or fun to use to make up for them.

I will go look at the GM stuff and then the Chrysler offerings and make a comparative examination of the underpinnings. Really, the only Chrysler I might consider is the 300 SRT8. I would imagine the ATS would be pretty nicely done underneath.
 
I get ya there man sorta. The Jags that are riding on the Dew98 platform are very nice cars. Now, am I driving my 8 year old car because I don't have the money for a newer vehicle? Not at all. I drive it because I love the way it feels. The dynamics of the machine as a whole. The funny thing is there are shortcomings of the LS that, were they not there, the strengths would not be so apparent or fun to use to make up for them.

I will go look at the GM stuff and then the Chrysler offerings and make a comparative examination of the underpinnings. Really, the only Chrysler I might consider is the 300 SRT8. I would imagine the ATS would be pretty nicely done underneath.
The new CTS is probably nicely done underneath as well.
 

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