97MarkJA
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This is still the prettiest blown mod motor imho, lol.
Geno, Where's the alternator sit on that one?
Can I borrow $57,500?
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Geno, Where's the alternator sit on that one?
ONEBADMK8
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Where the A/C "was".
thaywood
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Yeah but if my 460 hadn't been stolen, I could have used the extra money just to buy parts to build that one
I'm sorry, I'm the same way about Chebby that I am about wrong-wheel-drive. I'll never own either. Now that's not to say I'm completely anti-GM. There are some GM products I'd love to have. Cadillac CTS-V, Pontiac GTO (classic or Holden Manaro version), 2nd gen Corvair Monza Turbo, '68 Trans-Am, etc. Just the classics. But I'd NEVER even consider the thought of putting a GM engine in a Ford car. That's simply out of the question.Actually, all small block Ford V-8 engines from the 221 to the 351-W are commonly referred to as "Windsor" blocks. When the 221/260 was first introduced, it was called the "90 degree V" block family. After the introduction of the 351-W, the "Windsor" designation was retroactively, yet unofficially, applied to all Ford engines of similar block design, 221, 255, 260, 302, and 351-W. Therefore, when someone says "Windsor series" you know they're talking about the small block Ford V-8.
I disagree. There are few if any similarities between the GM LS series V-8 and the 4.6L Romeo modular family. The Romeo is an OHC design while the LS is a pushrod design. That component and the fact that it is a 90 degree V-8 are the only features the LS shares with the 302 Ford as well. They are totally different designs. I don't know a lot about the GM V-8's except that they are OHV designs. I'm not a Chebby guy
I rather have the guy at Accufab john mihovetz build me a 4.6 (if I had the money). He's used stock cobra block,crank and highly ported b heads and is making 2000 + hp.Try that with stock LS parts!. Plus a 4.6 will probably last longer then a LS as I seen plenty of 300.000 + mile 4.6 sitting in the junkyard. Plus I rather put the money into a Mark VIII then a newer ugly ass Camaro!
I'd love to build a 4.6L into a monster. But it's expensive. And historically, Ford has been able to coax more hp out of fewer cubic inches than GM was able to do. And personally, I love the new Camaro! It's a bad @$$ car. Too bad it's a damn Chebby
philly0420
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I won't fox with government motors. They showed up in luxury jets asking for money. That to me is B I T C H made behavior.
SATURN5
Dr. Frankenstang
Windsor referred to the plant... In Canada where the 351 was assembled.
Don't forget the 351C... For the plant in Cleveland. Other then having the same bolt centers for the heads and bore centers, there isn't anything swappable between the Windsor and Cleveland.
Modifieds.... Similar to the Cleveland, smog motor, bellhousing however is shared with the 429/460.
Don't forget the 351C... For the plant in Cleveland. Other then having the same bolt centers for the heads and bore centers, there isn't anything swappable between the Windsor and Cleveland.
Modifieds.... Similar to the Cleveland, smog motor, bellhousing however is shared with the 429/460.
thaywood
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True. The 351W is basically a 302 with a .5" longer stroke and a .5" taller deck which requires a wider intake. Anyway, the Windsor designation is pretty common now for all small block Ford's. It's easier than diferentiating between the 221-302 and the 351W as separate families.
Actually, the Cleveland heads will bolt up to the Windsor block (with some water passage modifications). Remeber the Boss 302 used Cleveland heads with a unique intake manifold made especially for the Boss. But that's about all that will interchange. Everything else is different. And the 351C was produced from '69 to '71. After that, they were all 351M's.
The 351M was basically a 400 block with 351C internals. The 400 was a 351C block with a .5" taller deck and a .5" longer stroke (which actually made it a 402). The 351M also used open chamber Cleveland style heads.
SATURN5
Dr. Frankenstang
Correct. The heads will "bolt" on, I guess I didn't state that clearly with the bolt centers.
Pistons won't be correct as Windsor's are inline valve, where Cleveland's are canted. But now we are getting into the minutia of SBF's.
Pistons won't be correct as Windsor's are inline valve, where Cleveland's are canted. But now we are getting into the minutia of SBF's.
thaywood
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I can talk all day about the various versions of the SBF V-8. Back in the day, I was basically an expert on pretty much every Ford V-8 from the Y-Block, MEL, and FE to the 385-Series. I could tell you just about every bore and stroke and every little difference on every engine from the 221 to the 351W as well as the differences between the 351C/M and 400M as well as the 429/Boss429/460 etc. Don't get me started or I'll bore you to tears
Don Pfau
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I'm disheartented with all this pro chevy talk on a Mark VIII site. I to dislike seeing a Chevy engine in a Ford. In many cases it may be cheaper but it is not better. Ford builds the most powerful prodution engine in the world. 2013 Shelby GT500 vs 2013 Camaro ZL1 Dyno Comparison Video — Inside Line - YouTube ---- This is a lightly modified Mustang you can buy from Ford. Tasca Cobra Jet 7.96 Run - YouTube And a 302 Mustang that can beat 99% of the LS's out there. Passtime - Randy Jackson - tricks the panel - YouTube
thaywood
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Dang skippy! No Ford's engine bay should ever be disgraced with a Chevy engine. That practice has always completely baffled me. If you're building a Ford car, why in the name of all things good and holy would you even consider thinking about putting a Chevy engine in it??? That makes about as much sense as putting a screen door on a submarine.
497 ft/lbs of torque in the Camaro vs. 603 in the Shelby!!! Holy $hit!
497 ft/lbs of torque in the Camaro vs. 603 in the Shelby!!! Holy $hit!
the1andonlyGR81
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you'll also notice the gt 500 redline is 1000 rpm higher which is where the etra power comes from.reguarldless, damn thats alot from any factory car, possibly the most american for sure.
Don Pfau
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No sir, the peak torque of the GT 500 is over 100 ft lbs more at 100 rpm's lower than the ZL1. It has right at or more than 100 hp more over the entire rpm range.
thaywood
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It all comes down to the fact that, at 650hp (factory net rating), the 2013 GT500 has the most powerful production V-8 engine in the world today. I'm sure Chebby will counter as soon as they can. But for the moment, Ford has GM beat in the hp war. And beat pretty bad at that. And the DOHC 5.8L V-8 in the Mustang is light years ahead of the ancient pushrod technology in the Camaro.
Outlaw94
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The LS1 does have a lot more similarity's with the 302(top end) and 4.6(bottom end) then they do with a Chevy. Have you seen a ls1 with a carb and dis?(pic) looks like a sbf and it uses a 302 dis. Ls1 heads even bolt onto a 351w.
How much does a LSX block cost? a used 4.6 Teksid block and Cobra crank and your probably still at half the price of the LSX block. there size is a nice advantage but there expensive to build too and a Teksid can take a lot more abuse then the factory LS blocks and there cheap.Let's see how long GM drags out the v8 pushrod engines(Dodge too).People think Chevy's are so great they got more hp or whatever that's because they just take something that's already been done and then improve on it then slap a bowtie on it.
How much does a LSX block cost? a used 4.6 Teksid block and Cobra crank and your probably still at half the price of the LSX block. there size is a nice advantage but there expensive to build too and a Teksid can take a lot more abuse then the factory LS blocks and there cheap.Let's see how long GM drags out the v8 pushrod engines(Dodge too).People think Chevy's are so great they got more hp or whatever that's because they just take something that's already been done and then improve on it then slap a bowtie on it.
warrioralumni08
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One that's an aftermarket distributor setup, and two why add more technology when its not needed..4 cams opposed to one, twice the amount of valves and moving parts on the top end..Keep it simple stupid. Also you're talking about a factory teskid block compared to the aftermarket LSX block which has a much larger bore..of course it will be more expensive than a 20 year old engine block from a mark viii...and ok so you're saying the teskid block can handle more abuse than an LS block can when 9 times out of 10 its the rotating assembly that fails.
Don Pfau
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100 more HP across the entire usable RPM range and THE MOST POWERFUL PRODUCTION ENGINE IN THE WORLD. The End.
Right on the Mark
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High bid 12,8xx NO SALE who would have guessed?
Don Pfau
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I would have thought it would have ended slightly higher. I guess when you start off that unrealistic It puts off serious potential buyers.
Not disagreeing with that, I'm disproving outlaws false statements.
thaywood
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662 hp to be exact, I thinkl.
You are correct sir!! I was going by the last report I read from a couple of months ago
Dang skippy. Either way, all this pro chevy talk has to be nipped in the bud right now. This is a LINCOLN MARK VIII site. We're FORD folks over here.
I'd rather push a FORD than drive a chebby.
On a quiet night I like to sit on my porch and listen to my neighbor's chebby rust.
Cracked Head Every Valve Rattles Or Leaks Every Time
Etc. You get the picture.
*Maverick*
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Ashes to ashes
Dust to dust
If not for my Chevy
My tools would rust
Dust to dust
If not for my Chevy
My tools would rust
ONEBADMK8
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Ebay the true "Reality Check"
Second time around too:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221091000245
Second time around too:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221091000245
A Chevy motor is similar to a Ford motor and not a Chevy.......? Wut? *puts down way too strong weed*
Similar to a 302 top end? Oh I see, like how the plenum feeds from the front on the Chevy and on the side on the Ford..... oh wait. Maybe its cause they both have cathedral ports..... oh wait. Its prolly cause they have the same valve sizes..... oh wait. You must be referring to the similar port velocity.... oh wait.
4.6 is similar bottom end..... is it cause they both have pistons and there are 8 of them?
Teksid and a Cobra crank at half the price of an LSX block? Well I have sold several Teksids for $250 and a Cobra crank is $100ish.
LSX block.... well just look for yourself: http://www.jegs.com/p/Chevrolet-Per...nce-LSX-Series-Engine-Blocks/1297512/10002/-1
