Don Pfau
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This can be built with more power for much less.
Can I borrow $57,500?
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This can be built with more power for much less.
Right on the Mark
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Just in case you missed it here is my Mustang. You tell me.
I'm not here to get in a blowout just going back and forth. Also the LSX is a great platform not saying its not. My buddy has a 2000 camaro with NA lsx that runs 9.5's on street tires.
I just want to throw this out there again for the $$$ guys.
Brand new 5.0 Aluminator 7300
Brand new Hellion TT kit 8500 HP 1249 for 15,800 You read that right 1249HP
Stangman
Project car a.d.d.
Heh... Mod motor modern? I think not.
http://www.fordgaaengine.com/
4 cams DOHC, all aluminum..... Sound familiar? Other then it's huge...
I do find it amusing how much LSx motors remind me of Ford's Nascar engines...
No kiddin...... those roush heads and whatnot are just dead sexy. But yeah, motors look similar!
thaywood
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Heh... Mod motor modern? I think not.
[url]http://www.fordgaaengine.com/[/URL]
4 cams DOHC, all aluminum..... Sound familiar? Other then it's huge...
I do find it amusing how much LSx motors remind me of Ford's Nascar engines...
Ahhhhhh! The good ol' GAA Sherman tank engine. I would love to have one of those. Something like 1300 cubic inches (21.3 liters!!!!!!) and 600hp with 1100 ft-lb torque back in the 1940's when it was new. I've seen one of these in a '69 Mustang drag car. The engine is bigger than the front of the car
It's crazy! I could see possibly putting one of these engines in a Ford Super Duty pickup with a little front end modification...okay a LOT of modification But that is one bad a$$ engine! The funny thing is that it was a 60-degree V design instead of 90-degrees like modern V-8 engines. But it was DOHC with 32 valves just like our engines. Too bad Ford didn't downsize it for regular production back then.Just in case you missed it here is my Mustang. You tell me.
I'm not here to get in a blowout just going back and forth. Also the LSX is a great platform not saying its not. My buddy has a 2000 camaro with NA lsx that runs 9.5's on street tires.
I just want to throw this out there again for the $$$ guys.
Brand new 5.0 Aluminator 7300
Brand new Hellion TT kit 8500 HP 1249 for 15,800 You read that right 1249HP
ah yes, I have seen this pic before, impressive! I'll give you that, I love my mark viii, but I would never waste my time trying to build up the DOHC 4.6, I would go the route you went with your mustang..maybe not to this extent..I know your a pretty efficient budget minded kind of guy, what did it cost you to build that motor if you don't mind me asking? Those look like some expensive heads on there what's the port size? the primaries on the headers look massive for a small block, and I assume that dominator isn't just for show! lol
SATURN5
Dr. Frankenstang
Ahhhhhh! The good ol' GAA Sherman tank engine. I would love to have one of those. Something like 1300 cubic inches (21.3 liters!!!!!!) and 600hp with 1100 ft-lb torque back in the 1940's when it was new. I've seen one of these in a '69 Mustang drag car. The engine is bigger than the front of the car
That's because it was originally a V12 for aircraft. When war broke out, there were better aircraft engines available so Ford lopped off 4 cylinders and the GAA was born.
Right on the Mark
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LOL SB pffft.
The heads are full CNC Dart Pro1 355's its 555CI. The primary tubes are 2 1/4 dia! One tube is same size as complete mk8 exh.
thaywood
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Yep. I forgot about that. The military was more interested in a good V-8 for their tanks since they already had radial engines for their aircraft at the time. They did bring back the 700hp 1650cid V-12 for some prototype tanks but it never went into regular production. Now I'd love to see one of those up close and personal!
LOL SB pffft.
Oh I thought I remember you saying you built a stroker motor based off the 351, I figured it had some exotic cylinder heads and intake..now come to think of it it doesn't look like a windsor head at all, is it a 460 block?
*Maverick*
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IDK if anyone read the article Saturn5 posted with the pic, but it mentioned the tank crews removing the governors from the engines, which rang true with the stories my grandfather used to tell me about being a tank driver in WWII. He said after a tank mechanic told him how to remove the governor, he would take it out and leave it out all the time (which was not SOP), and, as a result, burnt up more than his fair share of engines, but he would always reinstall the governor after they had blown. He said his superiors would chew him out over the blown engines, but they never figured out what he was doing. He was one of the best tank drivers in his outfit and would volunteer to take missions no one else wanted, and I guess it was because of that they let him test a prototype tank at the end of the war. He said it had 2 500 hp engines and would go through pretty much anything. I have no idea what it was beyond that, though.
Right on the Mark
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Here is the old SBF setup
The new set up is 555 Big Block CHEVY! Notice no distributor in front?
thaywood
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Right on the Mark
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Sacrilege!!!!
LOL I was same way for longest time but as you get older you thoughts change. I always wanted a Big block Ford but could not afford throwing cash out the window since buying house. Said and done I got 930HP engine for 5500.
thaywood
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I can understand. But I'm a Ford guy and I always will be. Out of 40+ vehicles I've owned, only two were not either Ford, Lincoln, or Mercury. And I had a 1971 model 365hp 500ft/lb D0VE-C head 10.5:1 compression 460 out of a Lincoln Continental sitting under my grandpa's shed that I was going to put in something someday...until somebody STOLE IT!!! It only had about 70k miles on it too
That was a sad day...Right on the Mark
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I can understand. But I'm a Ford guy and I always will be. Out of 40+ vehicles I've owned, only two were not either Ford, Lincoln, or Mercury. And I had a 1971 model 365hp 500ft/lb D0VE-C head 10.5:1 compression 460 out of a Lincoln Continental sitting under my grandpa's shed that I was going to put in something someday...until somebody STOLE IT!!! It only had about 70k miles on it too
Let me ask you this ?. You have a complete running drag stang with a SBF. You find a deal on a BBC that new costs 15000 and can get it for 5500. What would you do? Also said and done there is not one real chevy part on this engine.
Here is the old SBF setup
The new set up is 555 Big Block CHEVY! Notice no distributor in front?
Oh wow I don't know how I didn't notice that, the sheetmetal valve covers are throwing me off, makes sense now why the brodix intake looked Chevy to me..
thaywood
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Right on the Mark
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I'd probably buy it and then sell it for profit and buy a ford engine
But even after you sold it for profit you could not afford a used BBF. lol
Don Pfau
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My brother runs across some good deals on BBF occasionally.
the1andonlyGR81
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all you have to do is look at hylands website and add the parts,some are insane and custom made, 7g for heads, 1000 for reground cams, whole billet longblocks for 20,000. heslying through his teeth. ive spoketo sean, hell speak to anyone happily and give info to anyone but i doubt hed charge 47g for a motor
Outlaw94
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There is no Ford Windsor series,the only Windsor is the 351W.The LS1 is nothing but a 302 and 4.6 all merged into one.That's GM they can't come up with something new.Even the old Chevy is resembles the Y-block.
I rather have the guy at Accufab john mihovetz build me a 4.6 (if I had the money). He's used stock cobra block,crank and highly ported b heads and is making 2000 + hp.Try that with stock LS parts!. Plus a 4.6 will probably last longer then a LS as I seen plenty of 300.000 + mile 4.6 sitting in the junkyard. Plus I rather put the money into a Mark VIII then a newer ugly ass Camaro!
I've driven around with some healthy horses. Not really strong but 500+ and 580 or so ft/lbs. You do not want this for a daily driver. It's fun but on a rainy day you have to be careful. You do not get decent mileage.
This is what I would like for daily power:
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=11829
Sheer elegance in a straight up motor. Quick response and a a flat torque curve.
This is what I would like for daily power:
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=11829
Sheer elegance in a straight up motor. Quick response and a a flat torque curve.
There is no Ford Windsor series,the only Windsor is the 351W.The LS1 is nothing but a 302 and 4.6 all merged into one.That's GM they can't come up with something new.Even the old Chevy is resembles the Y-block.
I rather have the guy at Accufab john mihovetz build me a 4.6 (if I had the money). He's used stock cobra block,crank and highly ported b heads and is making 2000 + hp.Try that with stock LS parts!. Plus a 4.6 will probably last longer then a LS as I seen plenty of 300.000 + mile 4.6 sitting in the junkyard. Plus I rather put the money into a Mark VIII then a newer ugly ass Camaro!
How do you figure they copied off of anything..its called doing your research on what works and what doesn't, they took the basic design of the original small block and made improvements to the block to strengthen it and redesigned the cylinder heads big time along with numerous other things.
I call it working smarter not harder, if I were to want to build a 500hp street motor I would go for a budget LS, SBC, or SBF over anything else, I don't give a :q:q:q:q if its been done a million times before..there's a reason for that, because its the best bang for your buck..now if you're just stubborn because you love Ford so much and want to blow your money on a 4.6 trying to get the same amount of reliable power out of it then go for it..its not that I don't like fords, I just think there are much better motors out there to start with than the mod motors..but hey if you have money to burn have fun with it.
Right on the Mark
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You cannot compare a 4.6 engine to a 6.0 engine. Also 4.6 are not known to make huge power on nut like LS engines. 4.6's shine when boosted. If you want a real large HP your are going to have to step to the plate with both ls and mod engine and force induction.
ONEBADMK8
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This is still the prettiest blown mod motor imho, lol.
