Trans or Rear end problem?

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Lately Ive been having a problem where at a dead stop I go to give it some gas and the car just sits and revs up then after a few seconds it kicks in and goes. The car shifts great. About a year ago I redid all the springs, filter, gaskets, and added a bc valve body for the firmer shifts. Any ideas to what this could be? Maybe my rear is about shot? I do bring my car to the track every so often but I dont beat on my car everyday.
 
Mine is doing the same thing and I am looking for a 98 transmission and a new TC. I am going to drop the pan to see what is really going on.
 
I'm guessing TC. Not trying to be an ass but you put new springs, filter, gaskets, and added a bc valve body for the firmer shifts into a POS transmission. I done the same thing pretty much when I had my 94 and it finally just gave out. 93-97 transmissions suck. I don't care what kind of new parts you have bought for them, they still suck, even if you put in a new TC, it still sucks.

Get a 98+ with low miles and J-Mod it and be done with it. Keep your springs for just in case purposes.
 
You keep saying that but they dont suck. Sure the 98+ trans have slightly better parts but that dont mean the old ones suck. Gen 2 cars have better headlights and seats, does that mean Gen 1 cars suck?

People with Marks aint making enough power to hurt these transmissions. Fresh filter, external cooler and they are more then enough for what our cars can make NA or even with mild boost.

The only time I would take the time to exchange an earlier one for a 98+ is if the earlier trans had burnt fluid in it and was acting up.


The fact his is acting up would suggest he had burnt fluid in there, did the J-mod and now the pump is bad or the clutches are glazed..... or both.
 
You keep saying that but they dont suck. Sure the 98+ trans have slightly better parts but that dont mean the old ones suck. Gen 2 cars have better headlights and seats, does that mean Gen 1 cars suck?

People with Marks aint making enough power to hurt these transmissions. Fresh filter, external cooler and they are more then enough for what our cars can make NA or even with mild boost.

The only time I would take the time to exchange an earlier one for a 98+ is if the earlier trans had burnt fluid in it and was acting up.


The fact his is acting up would suggest he had burnt fluid in there, did the J-mod and now the pump is bad or the clutches are glazed..... or both.

Ok, clutches, springs and the accumulators in the gen 1 transmissions suck, which means if they suck, the trans pretty much sucks. Why did they update the TC and accumulators and springs? Because they suck. Other internal parts were also updated in the 98 trans because what were in the previous years sucked. That's why I keep saying that. I have been inside of both transmissions and have seen first hand what sucks in the first gen or 93-97 trans.

It doesn't take much power to ruin a 93-97 trans after so many miles because most of the parts inside are made cheaply.

I have sat in a Gen 2 and honestly, the feeling isn't the same to me. Also, I'm not sure what makes the headlights better but I could put my new ones next to any Gen 2 and guarantee the light output is no greater than what I have. Gen 2's have bigger headlight housings but I don't feel like they're better. I don't like the look of the housings, even if they are better but all in all, the 93-mid 97 transmissions internal parts simply suck and I will say it over and over because I have tore into them and seen it. I see it here constantly, people complaining about shuddering, not going into drive, ect...

This is why I will continue to keep saying that Gen 1 transmissions suck. Have you ever held a 93, 94, 95, 96 1-2 accumulator and springs in your hand and compared them to the updated version? I have. The old ones suck. Ever seen the clutches in person from a 93, 94, 95, 96 compared to the clutches in a 98? I have and the pre 98's suck. :D

Need pics of how and why they suck? I can grab them up and show proof of why they suck. My 95 transmission with new accumulators and springs also sucks because I know what's really inside the TC. As of now, it's not giving me one slight problem at all but it still sucks because that day is coming. That's why I don't dog my car out. I drive normal and if I'm under 50 mph, I keep OD off for stop and go traffic. Luckily I'm not really at high mileage or I'm sure I would be having problems of some sort from the trans.

Some of the internal components of the 4R70W automatic transmission were reinforced for greater durability and reliability in late 1997 models and all 1998 models. <---Wikipedia
 
I am not saying that the new parts are not better, the are and I have only been in a 84, 86, 89, 90, 93, 95, 96 2000 and 2004 Ford auto while watching one have a shift kit installed or something similar. I watched the 2004 and the 95 be completly rebuilt but since it was several years apart I couldnt hold the parts side by side and since they look the same I didnt put much thought into it.

Now I understand Ford dont spend money to revise something unless they think its cost effective in the long run. BUT to call the old trans junk is just unfair. You have had more older versions then newer so by law of averages you would see more failed older versions. And thats another point, they are older. Old things fail.

Now stock for stock, my 97 shifted better then my 98. My 97 when modded could also perform firmer shifts then my 98 can. I can adjust the pressure to the point where I overwhelm the pump but the 97 when modded still shifted better at WOT. My 98 does better everywhere else though.


I look at Sappers trans. It has 150K on it, its 18 years old, gets beat to hell and has NEVER had a fluid change and the fluid looks like engine oil yet his shifts great still and dont slip.


Now I was suprised that the intermediate one-way roller clutch was replaced with a mechanical diode. I knew about the rest of the changes but not that one.


Anyway Terry, I am not saying you are wrong and I agree its the better trans but I stand by the fact that they are not "junk".

And by better headlights I ment that stock for stock the Second Gens are better. Yes you can mod a first gens but lumen for lumen or using same color temp bulbs the Second Gens will still emmit more light.
 
my "junk" 93 trans lasted 175k miles. good enough for me! rebuilt and j-modded. i don't expect problems anytime soon.
 
Time for a little trans 101 course for the 4R70W:) First it has nothing to do with gen 1 or 2, the modifications to the 4R70W happened in 98, so all where the same up to 98. The "Some of the internal components of the 4R70W automatic transmission were reinforced for greater durability and reliability in late 1997 models and all 1998 models" is half right half wrong. The reinforced for durability was the addition of the Mechanical diode in the 98 and possible late model year 97's model trans along with the addition the PCB connectors for the trans control solenoids.
The mechanical diode eliminated concerns for the intermediate (second gear) one way clutch. At the same time a redesigned 1st to 2nd gear accumulator cup was introduced to prevent fluid blow buy. As for everything else the same, if you buy a rebuild all the same.:D
 
Time for a little trans 101 course for the 4R70W:) First it has nothing to do with gen 1 or 2, the modifications to the 4R70W happened in 98, so all where the same up to 98. The "Some of the internal components of the 4R70W automatic transmission were reinforced for greater durability and reliability in late 1997 models and all 1998 models" is half right half wrong. The reinforced for durability was the addition of the Mechanical diode in the 98 and possible late model year 97's model trans along with the addition the PCB connectors for the trans control solenoids.
The mechanical diode eliminated concerns for the intermediate (second gear) one way clutch. At the same time a redesigned 1st to 2nd gear accumulator cup was introduced to prevent fluid blow buy. As for everything else the same, if you buy a rebuild all the same.:D
Sorry, what new info did you just bring to the table?
 
I guess my main problem with the pre-98 trans would be the accumulators and springs being crappy and the friction material.

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There are a few other parts that were updated for a reason in the 98 but Bill, I don't recall you ever removing your valve body and doing the J-Mod on your car. If you haven't, that would be one of the cheapest mods you could do to your car and you would then have that 2nd gear, 3rd gear that would be way better than the 97 you had. It's a mod that should have already been done anyway considering the HP you're now putting out but I just don't ever remember you having it done or doing it. Maybe I missed it if you did.

Another part that was updated in 98 was the little shaft that connects to the forward clutch cylinder. The shaft with the taper is much stronger than the shaft with the groove. The shaft with the groove tends to break at the groove.

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Now, accumulators side by side.

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Instead of the little thin o-rings on the older accumulators, now the seals are rubber bonded to the steel part and giving you a hell of a lot more seal. I also think there was a spring difference too because the earlier years were breaking. The springs I bought from Ford were purple and blue and he said they were the stronger updated style. (Just going by what the parts dept. guy said on that one.)

After digging into a 93 and a 94 trans and doing a J-Mod to a 98 and swapping internal electrical parts from the 93 and 94 over to the 98 so that it would work with my 94, I just prefer the 98 trans. It's simply better in many ways. Yes, there are some of us, including me that have a 93-97 trans that is giving no problems at all at the moment but when it starts, it's over with. When mine starts, if it ever does and I'm sure it will, I would not even consider a rebuild of my current trans. I would just do the 98 swap again. Cheaper, easier and I know I'm getting the updated parts and not reman'd old parts.

Bottom line, I suppose that if a pre-98 trans is well maintained and not dogged out or abused much will last many many miles but if it ever starts the shudder, you can just about bet that the end is about to come for that trans.

Headlights... 97 and 98 are bigger and obviously they do put out more lumens but honestly I have no problems with mine but again, they are new housings and not re-chromed or polished. I also have HID's in the bright and low beams and both can work together. (could be the reason they are kinda illegal) An HID being inside the halogen housing can omit some very bright light. You can ask Jamie about this issue. He has had more experience with this than anyone on here that I know of and he'll tell you himself that he would rather have a halogen housing with HID's instead of HID's in a HID housing. I pull up to new cars on the road that have HID's with HID housings (not Mark VIII's) and here I am with my little halogen housings and 10,000K bulbs and my lights output is over powering them. I see mine over theirs and if I put mine on bright, it's almost like the sun is out. I think they should conduct a lumen test with the Gen 1 Mark VIII halogen housings with HID's installed compared to Gen 2 Housings and see which is greater. All I know is that I am putting out some light and knock on wood, my POS gen 1 trans is still doing good and hasn't given me a problem yet but Jamie did the 1-2 and I think the 2-3 accumulator and spring upgrade and fresh Mercon V and filter change. I know in the back of my mind that I have a POS TC and it's day is coming. I bought the car last February from him and I doubt I have even put 4K to 5K miles on it during the 10 months I have owned it. I don't believe the $2000 I paid was a bad deal.
 
I dont have the money to do a trans swap. My trans seems fine except for the problem im having at a dead stop. On the road all the shifts are good. Even from a dead stop and I easy into the throttle the car is fine. Its just when I go to get on it. I was thinking maybe my rear is shot? I do have the "one wheel peel" problem. Would anything with the rear cause a problem like this?
 
I dont have the money to do a trans swap. My trans seems fine except for the problem im having at a dead stop. On the road all the shifts are good. Even from a dead stop and I easy into the throttle the car is fine. Its just when I go to get on it. I was thinking maybe my rear is shot? I do have the "one wheel peel" problem. Would anything with the rear cause a problem like this?
Ugh, its not your rear. No matter how many times you ask, its still not gonna change the answer that your trans is the problem.

ALL Marks have one wheel peel cause the have an open carier, not a LSD.
 
Take apart the valve body and check the accumulator springs. Sounds like one is broken.

When you changed your fluid was the old fluid brownish?
 
nope the fluid was still pink and not burnt. I'll have to take a look then at the springs but they are brand new and i would have thought they would atleast lasted me a year lol. I was maybe thinking the converter because I know when I redid everything I drained the converter too and maybe I didnt tighten the bolt good enough and there is a small leak or something.
 
Do you have any kind of warranty on the valve body you swapped out? Also, might wanna check out the transmission line pressure solenoid. Just an idea to keep you from pulling the trans out and btw, how many miles are on the trans? Maybe the valve body wasn't torqued down correctly. The way you're describing it now, it's pulling me away from the TC and all over that valve body or a bad solenoid.

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There is 112K on the trans. About 4k on the new valve body and parts. I torqued the valve body to the specs I got from BC automotive. Im going to have to look at my reciepts to see about any warranties.
 
I just read a post from early december that someone had an almost similar problem like mine. A whining noise was mentioned and I did notice in the summer when I had my car in first gear driving slow around my street I could hear a slight whining noise. Any other gears are fine. Could this indicate something or is it normal. It doesnt seem like the whining of a transmission that is completely shot. Its barely there and faint in sound.
 

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