Test N Tune 01-31-09

now does a new chip do the same thing as a tune up? would this be a cheaper way to go? im not too picky as i dont go to the track or drive like a mad man ALL the time, i just want to smoke the ricers in a short street race.
 
whitemark8 said:
now does a new chip do the same thing as a tune up?
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NO!

A chip is in no way a substitute for maintenance i.e. a 'tune up'

Your car must be in 'tip top' fully serviced shape BEFORE any type of tuning!
 
whitemark8 said:
i just want to smoke the ricers in a short street race.
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Street Racing is STUPID.......
Ricers are not a TROPHY KILL.
There is no bragging rights to street racing or beating some POS ricer car.

Now if you want to run your car at the track that is the way to go.
I will not condone nor assist a street racer.
 
Ran 14.9 in my 97 lsc with a half tank, spare tire, and tuneup.

WOOT!
 
XLRVIII said:
I must be completely ANAL about my car.

I tried many chips from various vendors and each had "something" I didn't like...(not bashing ANY tuners) but.. I decided after I had spent almost 1K on various chips that I just needed to "bite the bullet" and do it myself.

Many people are happy with the off the shelf tune they receive from many vendors, I just didn't fall into that category.

the tuning solutions aren't cheap, nor are they for "everyone"..but in my case "it was the only way".

Some people are happy to send their chip/programmer back and forth to their "tuner" to have them fix or adjust things..

Myself, I just like the fact that "I" can change what I want.. when I want.. and if I dont like the change I can "undo it".

again this probably isn't for "everyone" and it's has a very very steep learning curve.

I'd be more than happy to help anyone that decides that they would like to "put their destiny in their own hands"...as I have gotten over the STEEP part of the learning curve and have a good idea what is going on inside the PCM.

It really really depends on whether your driving a 93-95EEC 4 Mark 8 or a 96-98 obd2 mark 8.
EEC4's are not friendly to the "budding tuner".

The obd2 cars are much more friendly to the beginner because the obd2 cars will actually "talk back to you" whereas an EEC4 car just looks at you with a "poker face".
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I understand your point and don't disagree with you but I think canned tunes have there place. Especially for someone who until this thread didn't know what a "tune" was or whether it can replace the need for a "tune up".
 
XLRVIII said:
THAT HAS TO BE IT!

check this out JP....
See..I LEARNED multiple things on my last outing and I only made 3 passes!
haha
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LOL, yeah, running the same car over and over does have its perks, but like you, I learn something every time at the track. It amazes me how much each situation differs on each run despite being religiously consistent in every approach.
 
I can't wait to get back out to the track, I need to remember to change out my plugs though. I have almost 25,000 miles on my copper NGKTR55's and I could tell the spark isn't as good as it should be.
 
Golly... I don't read the thread for a couple of days and... I'm entered into 2 bets and called a Bitch. SWEEEEEEET! hahaha

But you know... I haven't raced in over a year. Ya'll are gonna have to give me 2 passes to get back in the groove before the fun starts. :)
 
Bro, you have never run you're car at the track yet and you already want to add the Tiffany mod... :confused:
 
Hell Ya!

It's kind of an inside thing.... see I'm going to Texas in March and I'm gonna run my car for the first time.... I'll try the Tiffany Mod when it isn't 1300 miles away.
 
tune

OK, my car is a 94. You guys didn't answer my questions- please read my post. The car has new plugs, K&N panel, new fuel pump and filter and I'll clean the MAF.
Here's the post-Anybody know a shop in the KC area that can handle the tuning you guys are talking about? How about Geno's chips-do they alter timing to delete retard, do they change shift points and line pressures, reduce shift engagement time, shift harder?
I'd like as many details as possible.
 
Kevin O'Connell said:
OK, my car is a 94. You guys didn't answer my questions- please read my post. The car has new plugs, K&N panel, new fuel pump and filter and I'll clean the MAF.
Here's the post-Anybody know a shop in the KC area that can handle the tuning you guys are talking about? How about Geno's chips-do they alter timing to delete retard, do they change shift points and line pressures, reduce shift engagement time, shift harder?
I'd like as many details as possible.
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i was curious of your year so I could better recommend tuning solutions...

As far as the particulars of Geno's tune, best bet would be to call or email him and ask... I've never used one or data logged a car that had one. I wold guess that Geno's chip would make the car shift harder. As far as timing you don't delete retard, but I would say Geno's chip probably eliminates tip in retard and overall increases timing slightly. No clue about AFR's....
 
Yes, Geno's chips can do all those things, honestly I would go for an SCT chip for a 93-95 Mark VIII and Sniper Tuning for 96-98 Mark VIII. There's a few guys to get the SCT chips from. My choice would be Torrie at Fast Parts Network. I've heard Lonnie at Blue Oval Chips makes an awesome tune for his SCT chips as well but I personally don't have any experience with them. Before you order the chip make sure the guy knows exactly what you want to do so you don't have to return it later.
 
My only complaint of Geno's tune is that it is a canned tune, one for all... I just think tuning is too much a personal taste thing for one to work for everyone. If you get a tune from an online SCT dealer (BOC, Reinhart, Torrie) you can have them tailor it to your tastes and they can make changes if you are unhappy.
 
kustomizingkid said:
i was curious of your year so I could better recommend tuning solutions...

As far as the particulars of Geno's tune, best bet would be to call or email him and ask... I've never used one or data logged a car that had one. I wold guess that Geno's chip would make the car shift harder. As far as timing you don't delete retard, but I would say Geno's chip probably eliminates tip in retard and overall increases timing slightly. No clue about AFR's....
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Most of the chips I have seen have a commanded a/f ratio at around 13 at WOT. Stock it is way too rich, my 95 LSC went to 10 at WOT, and you leave a lot of horsepower on the table because of this. The reason they do this from the factory is safety. It's very simple, most Mark VIII's with 10 year old plus mass air meters will not calculate load % correctly so it reads incoming airflow as less than what it actually is. This causes a lean condition and will actually make your A/F ratio closer to the ideal 13.0 mark. Now put an off the shelf chip on with a commanded air flow ratio of 13.0 and you will be off the richtor lean and can cause engine damage. Tuning a car is more than just putting a chip in or making a tune with your laptop, datalogging is a must and dyno tuning is ideal! Dyno tuning by itself can be tricky as most shops will stick their a/f moniters in the tail pipe even if you have cats on! This is a ridicilious practice and a waste of money. Also, getting a dynotune on a dynojet is not the best method cause your load % is different on the dyno than on the street. In the end very few people get their cars tuned to 100% effiency and performance, it's harder than you think! I've been trying to get my tune right for the past 2 years and have yet to succeed. It takes a lot of time and money, and I have neither right now. And that's to say that I don't like my Sniper Tune, it is the best package deal for the money right now.
 
Command 13???

That is on the side of UNSAFE... 12.1 .... 13 is getting a little more lean....

What you need to do is verify that the commanded is what you are actually getting..... A wide band is invaluable for this, except people treat it like GOD... you need to calibrate and verify that the WB is working...

Greg Branish recommends calculating the error of the commanded vs actual... IE running a commanded and then checking the WB reading... then changing commanded and rechecking and seeing if it moved the amount you commanded.... with that info you can calculate an approximate % error...

A dyno is nice but you could do almost all the same things on the street...
 
Sniper just isn't the same product that SCT is... You just have a lot more options and control in SCT's software.

Sniper is a lot lot more user friendly though.
 
kustomizingkid said:
Sniper just isn't the same product that SCT is... You just have a lot more options and control in SCT's software.

Sniper is a lot lot more user friendly though.
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Wrong, you are comparing two different things. The Sniper special forces is comparable to the handheld programmers SCT has but has far more control. The racer package that you have is comparable to the Sniper commando forces which can do everything the SCT can do.
http://www.deltaforcetuning.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=CO-5000
 
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