SCT Xcal2 Vs Xcal3

[Frasch]

"if" i can get it unlock I will be sure to post the "how to's" here on the board for everyone

 

[kustomizingkid]

Lols... and then have SCT at your door with a summons....

 

[Frasch]

haha.. ill make sure to move after i get it figured out.. anyone live out of the US where i mite stay for a while??!?! haha

 

[XLRVIII]

"if" i can get it unlock I will be sure to post the "how to's" here on the board for everyone

trust me, if it's locked your not gonna figure it out.

There have been many before you that thought it was as simple as a mouse click to unlock one.

just google locked xcal2 or unlock xcal2 and you'll quickly see that what we are telling you is true.

 

[ILLS]

XLRVIII is correct. Without the Xcal2 unit having reprogrammed the vehicle it was previously on back to stock it will not unlock. The only way to get the device unlocked at that time is to contact SCT and get an RMA number for the unlock request, and then of course pay the unlock fee. There is no way around this unlock if the original vehicle was not put back to stock in the tune. The reason for this is so that a person cannot just buy one Xcal unit and use it on 500 vehicle while SCT isn't getting any profit from it. As a business they have to protect their investment and this is one of the ways that it is done.

The "unlock" button in the Liveload software will ONLY work if the device is already put back to stock. Like XLRVIII mentioned, you can see if that is the case by referring to post #38 in this thread and following those instructions to view the device info. Chances are that for $75 it is 99.99% guaranteed to be locked to the old car still.

 

[Frasch]

I will see about the software when I get the device too see if it all be unlocked or not... Otherwise I will get a hold of SCT

 

[XLRVIII]

I got a locked Xcal2 on ebay for 50.00, by the time it was all said and done I had spent more on a used XCal2 than I would have if I had just contacted an SCT dealer and purchased one.

50 for the device
150 for the unlock
150 for 3 tunes on the device
..do the math..
your better off ditching the used device and get a new one.

When you get a new one you get
Warranty
Support from SCT
Support from the dealer you bought it from

By the time you spend 300ish dollars getting a used one up and running you'll still have a used device with no warranty and no support.

Knowing what I know now.. if someone would have offered my original purchase price for my xcal I would have "taken it" in a heartbeat.

75 for a decent datalogger and code scanner is a good deal
any more than that and it's a crap shoot.

 

[XLRVIII]

I will see about the software when I get the device too see if it all be unlocked or not... Otherwise I will get a hold of SCT

"Getting ahold of SCT is useless". They are going to tell you to "contact one of our dealers", and have the dealer request and RMA number from SCT.
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[ILLS]

I got a locked Xcal2 on ebay for 50.00, by the time it was all said and done I had spent more on a used XCal2 than I would have if I had just contacted an SCT dealer and purchased one.

50 for the device
150 for the unlock
150 for 3 tunes on the device
..do the math..

I kind of have to disagree with you here. Here is why. You assume that the person wanting to use the X2 unit will be wanting 3 tunes. Most people in here will only use one tune and that is it. I have sold many single tunes to people with LS's. Very few decide that they want a second tune unless they are the tinkering type or if they do some modifications that need a complete other tune.

In other forums I would agree that the assumption of wanting the 3 tunes would apply.......just not here.

Frasch picked the unit up for $75....so....

$75 X2
$150 Unlock
$50 Tune


Done for a total of $275 plus a little shipping. Not a bad deal if a person wants to save a few dollars and does not believe they will need to take advantage of any warranty that is offered on a brand new unit.

It ends up being a judgement call to most. Some people have different priorities than others and, of course, vice versa.

 

[ILLS]

"Getting ahold of SCT is useless". They are going to tell you to "contact one of our dealers", and have the dealer request and RMA number from SCT.
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Nope. Not with a used unit like this. He can contact SCT directly without having to go through a dealer as long as he mentions that he bought it used and thus does not have any contact with a dealer that would need to support the product. The reason I mention this is because it will speed the process up and will also save shipping costs if the dealer wanted to see the unit in hand before shipping back for an RMA unlock work order.

You are correct that it is not common practice to work directly with SCT without working with a dealer first but there are a few exceptions to that. For the other 99% of cases you are completely correct XLRVIII.

 

[Frasch]

Well I tried contacting some dealers around the area and they said with all the new technoloy they might be able to unlock the device with their software.. im sure I have the e-mail I received from him... Here it is...When he talks about my friends Xcal its mine he is talking about so there is no confusion...:

As a rule, his xcal would have to be returned to SCT to be unlocked if the last vehicle was not restored to stock, and there was a fee to get it reset-I'd need to check but seems to me it's like $150-ish? I have not had to have one reset in almost a year, so I will also verify that it still needs to be done that way-software is constantly evolving so I may now have the capability to do it at my shop......

No, $400 is just for the xcal itself (it retails for $479), which can be had with a generic 'box' tune. Dyno time and custom tunes is over and above the cost of the programmer.......

Tom VanVugt
Performance Specialist
C&S Dynoshop
402-896-8199

 

[XLRVIII]

IILS, feel free to correct me anytime sir... actualy I was trying to save you from typing the same thing over and over and over..(lol)

I understand your point about the 1 tune vs 3 tunes deal, but what I have seen is people read about the SF device and dont know the difference between the XC2 and XC2SF..

Then they go thru this whole shipping back and forth 10ish days, pay almost as much as they would for a new device..

Then..it's only got one tune on it...

Then they want the dealer to put the other tunes on it, and it's all simply a misunderstanding, feelings get hurt, expectations aren't met..blah blah blah.

Hell you know the drill..you are a dealer.

Check your PM box if you aren't busy.

 

[XLRVIII]

Done for a total of $275 plus a little shipping..

that's actually a good deal minus the 75 they already spent..
so "out the door" at this point would be 200..hell..that dont hurt so much..

 

[XLRVIII]

Well I tried contacting some dealers around the area and they said with all the new technoloy they might be able to unlock the device with their software..

Tom VanVugt
Performance Specialist
C&S Dynoshop
402-896-8199

Tom {my name is tom too)

The thing is.. none of the sct dealers can do it. their software doesnt have the capability. what those dealers are doing is "getting you in the door" so they can work on you further in person.

ILLS is shooting you straight..as am I trying to.

Since a dealer has appeared in this thread, I am/can be of no further use to you and will bow out.

 

[Frasch]

I understand where you guys are coming from and I know you are trying to steer me in the right direction and everything.. i do appreciate all the help you guys filled in that i missed or didnt cover...

I will be going out of town tomorrow to Omaha, where Tom the dealer is located if I have time I will talk to him and go over prices with him on things like dyno'n and everything else. I wont have the tuner in til late tomorrow or even sat but will keep you guys posted on what the device says for sure.

Heard somewhere in the SCT forum that it might be $100 to unlock the Xcal2 instead of $150... i will double check on that...

 

[ILLS]

The thing is.. none of the sct dealers can do it. their software doesnt have the capability. what those dealers are doing is "getting you in the door" so they can work on you further in person.

Nail hit RIGHT on the head. That is EXACTLY what I thought when I read what the other dealer wrote. I didn't want to mention anything because it may have looked like I was saying that because I might "have a dog in this fight" but now that "Tom" (hehe) has already mentioned it I will concur.

That dealer damn well knows he cannot unlock your X2 unit by himself. That is VERY common knowledge and nothing is going to change that short of reverse engineering the whole system which would never be cost affective from a small volume stance. I could care less if I make $50 off of getting Frasch a tune but I suggest that he doesn't go to that dealer due to the way they attempted to BS him there. Doesn't show well for their business practices. If Frasch ends up getting one from me then thats cool but if not then I hope whomever he goes to will be a straight shooter. Best of luck with your endeavors Frasch.

 

[Frasch]

Dont worry ILLS from the posts i have read your tunes are the best and I will be hittin ya up with a PM as soon as i get it unlocked!

 

[XLRVIII]

Dont worry ILLS from the posts i have read your tunes are the best and I will be hittin ya up with a PM as soon as i get it unlocked!

+1
ILLS is good people, he's always trying to help folks around here.

I always say "support those that support you".
ILLS wastes alot of time posting over here, so since he supports our community as a whole.. I tend to send my business to those types of vendors. Hell even if they aren't the lowest price on the block.

With that said.. I've yet to buy anything from ILLS, I have no ties to his company or his business.. I only know him from his posts here on LVC.

IF i needed anything SCT related, he'd dang sure get my "nod of approval".

 

[Frasch]

finally received my tuner today... got the uploads i needed to get it on my computer.. here is the screen shot of the liveload program.. the unlock button is not greyed out so that means i should be ok ... correct??

 

[rubberducky700]

ILLS, or any other dealer,

Is the live wire available for the LS and is it any diffenent then the Xcal? other than the obvious. Is the live wire worth the extras for any car not just the LS? Whats your recommendation

 

[SPSully]

not 100% but i've heard the livewire cant load programs on the ls..... but the livewire is typically used for real time data aqu. and display. I'll be using a live wire for my car, but thats to display boost and wideband

 

[SPSully]

finally received my tuner today... got the uploads i needed to get it on my computer.. here is the screen shot of the liveload program.. the unlock button is not greyed out so that means i should be ok ... correct??

give it a try.... click unlock then plug it into your car and see if it works

 

[rubberducky700]

for good reason obviously.

 

[Frasch]

give it a try.... click unlock then plug it into your car and see if it works

Will have to do it when i get off work... was on my lunch break at the time... usually when its locked it will grey out the "unlock" button??

 

[SPSully]

Will have to do it when i get off work... was on my lunch break at the time... usually when its locked it will grey out the "unlock" button??

pretty sure but not 100% Like I said though... the only real way to know if to try it out.