my 2005 ls sport vs 2008 335i....and more

[MooJohn]

Look up the "Juice Box" for the 3 series. Done. 80 horses and 70 torque to the wheels without touching a single piece of hardware. Add 20 more to each if you add exhaust.

Know your opponent!

Can you mod an LS to go faster? After seeing the turbo Town Car here, anything is possible! The only question is do you have the $$ to make it happen.

 

[HyeLifeLS]

The 335i is supercharged.:shifty:

 

[M4rk]

I am sure the LS is a much faster car. I beat a Corvette, which are faster than 335is.. proof here: http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=82234

 

[05 LS8]

Third: It would cost the OP considerably less to just Build a turbo on the LS, rather than trading it in for the pennies he will receive and invest LARGE amounts of cash into a Freaken Luxury European car. I estimate 10 grand for a complete Turbo build on the LS VS 40 + Grand just to buy the Euro vehicle.

Fourth: Most people on here love the DEW 98 platform of the LS and drive it as its meant to be, a classy Good riding Lincoln.
If the OP doesn't give a damn about the great ride, He should just trade in and invest 30K, Get a mustang GT 5.0, and TEAR A NEW WHOLE in the Beamer, and the Jag. Hell why stop there? Go race M3's, beat the snot out of most Audi's, and Laugh at every Lexus/infiniti/Acura that Rolls up...


Thing is, the mustang doesn't ride horribly per say, its just that it doesn't Corner like the European vehicles.
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It's just stupid to invest $15,000 into a LS. All for what? To increase HP numbers by a little? All of that to compete against a stock BMW?
At the end of the day, it will remain a Lincoln, regardless what you do to it. If i am going to spend that kind of money, i don't want to look at a Lincoln badge on my steering wheel. It would be smarter to leave it alone and appreciate it for what it is.

Seems like the OP wants a vehicle with luxury and performance in one.
Lot of 06 S type Rs out there for $15,000-$20,000 with 50,000 miles on them - i am not being conservative either. Newer vehicle, more power, better braking, 3 times the luxury and YES...better handling than the LS.

I can say the same about the Mustang being waste of money. $20,000 E55 AMGs will leave them in a rearview all day. And, your back gets a message at the same time.

Just remember, BMW was the creator of Sports sedans. The original M5 being the grandfather of them all. So, it wasn't for BMW, LS wouldn't be around today. Therefore, i would give BMW a little more credit. The fact the the 300hp 335 can pull those numbers in quarter mile, that's actually very impressive.

 

[lincoln_zero]

It's just stupid to invest $15,000 into a LS. All for what? To increase HP numbers by a little? All of that to compete against a stock BMW?
At the end of the day, it will remain a Lincoln, regardless what you do to it. If i am going to spend that kind of money, i don't want to look at a Lincoln badge on my steering wheel. It would be smarter to leave it alone and appreciate it for what it is.

Seems like the OP wants a vehicle with luxury and performance in one.
Lot of 06 S type Rs out there for $15,000-$20,000 with 50,000 miles on them - i am not being conservative either. Newer vehicle, more power, better braking, 3 times the luxury and YES...better handling than the LS.

I can say the same about the Mustang being waste of money. $20,000 E55 AMGs will leave them in a rearview all day. And, your back gets a message at the same time.

Just remember, BMW was the creator of Sports sedans. The original M5 being the grandfather of them all. So, it wasn't for BMW, LS wouldn't be around today. Therefore, i would give BMW a little more credit. The fact the the 300hp 335 can pull those numbers in quarter mile, that's actually very impressive.

I really mean no disrespect, however your post makes no sense to me.
20 thousand dollars Mercedes that runs a better time than 12.4? (Thats what you'll need to beat the 5.0 Liter)
Dude, dont compare apples to oranges. The Merc is obviosly gonna be USED badly and have high miles to be $20K.
30K gets you into a NEW Stang. Apples to Apples, that NEW Mercs above $60K Buddy.



And about your $15K Comment:
I was reasoning on the fact that if the OP buys a BMW or Lexus that has the equivalent miles as the LS, That can BEAT 13.5, that vehicle will cost him well above 40 thousand
EXAMPLE: A used M3 from 2009 will still run you $50K with decent miles

Now do some MATH:

In 5 years time, he will lose %50 Value.
So take the M3. It can run 13.1 And he will spend about $50k used. In 5 years, it will be around 25 - 20 K range in its value drop. So OP loses 20+ thousand in his purchase.

Now take the Already owned, and valueless Lincoln LS. He drops 15 Thousand and makes this beast a 12 second car. In 5 years, his value drop will basically be 2 - 3 thousand since its already valueless. That being said, his only loss is what he sinks into it for performance upgrades which you say is, 15K.

End result: Lose 15K upgrading the LS, or lose 20 +K Buying a fast Euro Luxury vehicle USED. Either way, he loses.
Except the Turbo'd LS would knock the socks off your so called 'Pioneer' of luxury sedans.

Again No disrespect. Im just gonna try to help you understand you have to look outside the box. Its not about sinking money into a car, its about how much you will spend at the end of the day to achieve your goal.

 

[Telco]

Look up the "Juice Box" for the 3 series. Done. 80 horses and 70 torque to the wheels without touching a single piece of hardware. Add 20 more to each if you add exhaust.

Know your opponent!

Can you mod an LS to go faster? After seeing the turbo Town Car here, anything is possible! The only question is do you have the $$ to make it happen.

Interesting, but I wouldn't use it. I won't use anything that puts something between the computer and sensors to modify the sensor inputs. That's how engines get destroyed, when the modifier sends incorrect signals to the computer that prevents it from reacting to sensor readings correctly. JET uses a similar strategy on Chevy vehicles, and I don't know anyone who used one that didn't start having engine problems within a year. A correct reprogrammer will modify the program itself, not feed false information to the computer.

 

[Robot]

http://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-of-2008-30000-to-40000-2008-bmw-335i-page-10

2008 BMW 335i

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.8 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 21.1 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.5 sec @ 106 mph

ENGINE TYPE: twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve inline-6, aluminum block and head, direct fuel injection
Displacement: 182 cu in, 2979cc
Power (SAE net): 300 bhp @ 5800 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 300 lb-ft @ 1400 rpm

DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 108.7 in
Length: 178.2 in
Width: 71.5 in
Height: 55.9 in
Curb weight: 3616 lb

=================================================================

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/lincoln-ls-v-8-sport-short-take-road-test

2003 LS V8 Sport (didn't see 2005 specifically)

C/DTEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 6.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 17.2 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 26.4 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 7.3 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 15.1 sec @ 94 mph

Displacement: 241 cu in, 3950cc
Power (SAE net): 280 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 286 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm

DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 114.5 in Length: 193.9 in
Curb weight: 3907 lb

The BMW has more power, more gears and less weight. That would either have to be a major tune on the LS, or the BMW would have to have some problems, or both for the LS to beat the BMW in a race. Other possibilities are the BMW driver was unable to drive his car or he was sandbagging the Lincoln.

Last possibility, it was really a 328I which has a 0-60-mph sprint of 6.4 seconds, quarter-mile time of 14.6 seconds at 94.7 mph. A tuned LS could most likely take this one, and it doesn't take much to peel a 328 sign off and put a 335 sign on.

Or the LS could have a curb weight that's actually 200 lbs less than what Car and Driver listed and the numbers are actually closer.

Or the curb weight is actually less for the BMW like in the specs at this link.

http://bmw335i.org/2008-bmw-335i-specs

 

[05 LS8]

I really mean no disrespect, however your post makes no sense to me.
20 thousand dollars Mercedes that runs a better time than 12.4? (Thats what you'll need to beat the 5.0 Liter)
Dude, dont compare apples to oranges

Since you talking to me as if you are educating me, i will try to do the same without disrespect, of course.

Lets talk! Businessman to a youngboy.......... i am surprised to say the least. It seems you like doing homework, churning numbers, but only to find out that you failed to research and inform yourself that E55 AMG is faster in a quarter mile time than the new mustang, is quite disappointing.
See, i know not to compare oranges to apples, because the word COMPARE should only be used to sort out the difference of "things" of the same class and caliber. You emerged the Mustang into the conversation, not me.

The Merc is obviosly gonna be USED badly and have high miles to be $20K.
30K gets you into a NEW Stang. Apples to Apples, that NEW Mercs above $60K Buddy

Since when 60,000-70,000 are considered high mileage? That's 4 oil changes in today's standards.
The high miles on your LS are good enough for you. Good enough to praise it as you were smoking Subarus with twice the hp.

Dear young fella, lets not mention prices of luxury goods, i know their worth very well.

And about your $15K Comment:
I was reasoning on the fact that if the OP buys a BMW or Lexus that has the equivalent miles as the LS, That can BEAT 13.5, that vehicle will cost him well above 40 thousand
EXAMPLE: A used M3 from 2009 will still run you $50K with decent miles

The links are there to prove you wrong. For additional $1,500-3,000, warranty can be purchased, if expenses are such a big worry.
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...pp=50&feedSegId=28705&aff=national&listType=1
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...pp=50&feedSegId=28705&aff=national&listType=1
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...pp=50&feedSegId=28705&aff=national&listType=1

Now do some MATH:

In 5 years time, he will lose %50 Value.
So take the M3. It can run 13.1 And he will spend about $50k used. In 5 years, it will be around 25 - 20 K range in its value drop. So OP loses 20+ thousand in his purchase.

Now take the Already owned, and valueless Lincoln LS. He drops 15 Thousand and makes this beast a 12 second car. In 5 years, his value drop will basically be 2 - 3 thousand since its already valueless. That being said, his only loss is what he sinks into it for performance upgrades which you say is, 15K.

End result: Lose 15K upgrading the LS, or lose 20 +K Buying a fast Euro Luxury vehicle USED. Either way, he loses.
Except the Turbo'd LS would knock the socks off your so called 'Pioneer' of luxury sedans.

I did my math a few months ago, that's why i replaced my LS.

Again No disrespect. Im just gonna try to help you understand you have to look outside the box. Its not about sinking money into a car, its about how much you will spend at the end of the day to achieve your goal.

I understand alright! I understand enough not to spend $1 to make 50 cents.
I also understand, how contradicting your statement is... Putting $15,000 into a 8 year old car is not sinking money, but purchasing a newer vehicle with less mileage, is.

Having a perfectly balanced performance car isn't about making HP. HP doesn't mean anything without the right transmission. Having the right transmission is just as important, like the ZF in the STR.

 

[HyeLifeLS]

That black E55 with chrome wheels looks sooo freaking good.

 

[MooJohn]

Interesting, but I wouldn't use it. I won't use anything that puts something between the computer and sensors to modify the sensor inputs. That's how engines get destroyed, when the modifier sends incorrect signals to the computer that prevents it from reacting to sensor readings correctly. JET uses a similar strategy on Chevy vehicles, and I don't know anyone who used one that didn't start having engine problems within a year. A correct reprogrammer will modify the program itself, not feed false information to the computer.

I would agree in general but this one has been in use since 2007 and has over 10,000 units on the market - they must be doing something right. The key is that it doesn't void the warranty. I'm not one to hold a manufacturer to pay for my screwups btw, but for them to void the whole powertrain warranty due to simple mods isn't right either.

I had full control over my former 400+ whp Subaru's ECU for just the cost of a cable - about $50. The software was completely free. Every table and parameter was at my control to modify as well as datalog. Looks like to do that with my Lincoln would cost around $450 for the TwEECer equipment - hardly worth it for a naturally aspirated engine. In the meantime I'm content with the $99 ebay clearance Superchips unit.

I'll veer a little back toward the topic by saying that the E55 is just about the best bang-for-the-buck used car ever. Don't forget the "poor man's alternative" version either: the 300C SRT8 -- same underpinnings, same transmission, even the same seat frames. The 6.1 Hemi is pretty stout and can be blown as well, though an E55 with basic mods is never fails to please.

 

[Alax7]

Also I searched about turbos and superchargers for this car and seems that there is nothing. there was a couple builds that went nowhere, and alax? 10k for 6psi I think?



sorry for the long post,
grim

10k for 6 psi? That was not me.

I'm in for a lot, a lot less than 10k and I'm running 5psi for now.
302 whp, 337ft-lbs, a gain of ~72 whp and 105 ft-lbs from when I had it dynoed with bolt ons and a tune.

If you plan on going FI, a member is working on a group buy for forged rods and pistons to be able to crank up the boost a little more. I was hoping to be able to run 7psi stock, but the tuner didn't recommend it because he didn't know the condition of the engine and didn't want to risk blowing it, so I left it at 5psi.

 

[Telco]

I would agree in general but this one has been in use since 2007 and has over 10,000 units on the market - they must be doing something right. The key is that it doesn't void the warranty. I'm not one to hold a manufacturer to pay for my screwups btw, but for them to void the whole powertrain warranty due to simple mods isn't right either.

JET's been screwing up cars since the 1990s at least, and they are still in business too. Of course I'd never tell anyone to not use something they were dead set on, but I will make sure they know what they might be getting into. Better to know what might go wrong as well as what might go right. As for me though, I don't use things that feed fake settings to the computer with the exception of the rear O2 sensors, and that's because I don't care about them. Aside from a little very fine tuning, they are there only to keep you from cutting off the cats.

I had full control over my former 400+ whp Subaru's ECU for just the cost of a cable - about $50. The software was completely free. Every table and parameter was at my control to modify as well as datalog. Looks like to do that with my Lincoln would cost around $450 for the TwEECer equipment - hardly worth it for a naturally aspirated engine. In the meantime I'm content with the $99 ebay clearance Superchips unit.

I use EFI Live for my Chevy. Works great, and it allows me more control than the dealer's tech 2. Love it, love it. My Silverado is computer governed, it can go no faster than 256MPH.

 

[lincoln_zero]

Lets talk! Businessman to a youngboy.......... i am surprised to say the least.

Young boys are not allowed to drive, silly old man

you failed to research and inform yourself that E55 AMG is faster in a quarter mile time than the new mustang, is quite disappointing.

I never said it wasn't faster in a standing QM. I questioned its integrity being used to achieve that, at what price and mileage. Those (2005) mercs have 55K plus miles. Ouch ... So pay 20 grand for a car thats the same age as his LS? And those mercs prolly have more miles... Or dump 10 grand into the LS and run the same Q/M with less miles ... in 5 years, both cars are worth less than cow shyt (cow shyt holds value since it fertilizes the ground).

See, i know not to compare oranges to apples, because the word COMPARE should only be used to sort out the difference of "things" of the same class and caliber. You emerged the Mustang into the conversation, not me.

It wasn't to even compare. It was "Practical use" for what the OP wants. He can Grab right now, a 2012 5.0 liter, with luxury features, under 30 Grand with less than 30K miles. So long as he doesn't care for the cornering. Hell, 30 grand seats you in practically new one.-

I understand alright! I understand enough not to spend $1 to make 50 cents.
I also understand, how contradicting your statement is... Putting $15,000 into a 8 year old car is not sinking money, but purchasing a newer vehicle with less mileage, is.

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I will quote myself

That being said, his only loss is what he sinks into it for performance upgrades which you say is, 15K.

End result: Lose 15K upgrading the LS, or lose 20 +K Buying a fast Euro Luxury vehicle USED. Either way, he loses.
Except the Turbo'd LS would knock the socks off your so called 'Pioneer' of luxury sedans.
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I Bold and italic'd it to catch your attention, old man

Since when 60,000-70,000 are considered high mileage? That's 4 oil changes in today's standards.
The high miles on your LS are good enough for you. Good enough to praise it as you were smoking Subarus with twice the hp.

Get it straight:
Didn't buy my LS at high miles. And Subaru's with twice the HP?
http://www.edmunds.com/subaru/impreza/2010/road-test-specs.html

Redline (rpm) 6,200
Horsepower (hp @ rpm) 305 @ 6,000
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 290 @ 4,000
Fuel type Premium unleaded (required)
Transmission type Six-speed manual

I didn't know 305 is TWICE 252 (stock)

Also:
0-45 mph (sec.) 3.3
0-60 mph (sec.) 5.3
0-75 mph (sec.) 7.8
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.6 @ 98.3

To put this teasing of my STI kill at rest:

Thats a 13.6 with a stick shift, On a good day, with EXPERIENCED drivers. You think some punk ass 19 year old with a semi auto is gonna turn ANYWHERE near a 13.6? Not to mention, his first gear is likely his best, and we ran from 40km up. I had him on 3rd gear. He had me till the end of second gear.

A kill is a kill. He screwed up running my LS from a 40 click roll. Not my fault that 4 banger with turbo's cant haul ass at higher speeds.

Obviously if the STI were launched right, At a drag, my LS would get spanked. Hell, even going to the drag with a stock vehicle is pointless since you can just Google your time.

 

[marcredd]

Orville Redenbaucher time. LOL.

 

[05 LS8]

Young boys are not allowed to drive, silly old man

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lincoln_zero,

We can bicker back and forth like a yoyo, but i already explained myself, proving my point.

As stated at the top of our dialogue by me and others, it's not worth investing all that money into the LS.

You will automatically loose reliability and the transmission is never going to hold up. They have hard time as it is. The ZF 6 speed, found it many prestigious vehicles can manage over 600 ft-lb/hp without hesitation! It's fine to go fast, but you need to stop the car too, which will require a brake upgrade. And, the list just goes on...

My tenacious view is there to prevent him wasting his money. If you think it's a wise investment, that's fine.

NOTE: i didn't quote you entirely, to avoid filling up the page.

-All the best

 

[MooJohn]

There's no such thing as an automatic STi so you raced an automatic WRX with ~ 250 horsepower at most (older models had 225). Their small stock turbo has no top end so it's no surprise you're faster once it runs out of steam.

The STi brings a bigger turbo and intercooler along with a mandatory 6spd manual and Brembo brakes.

 

[lincoln_zero]

There's no such thing as an automatic STi so you raced an automatic WRX with ~ 250 horsepower at most (older models had 225). Their small stock turbo has no top end so it's no surprise you're faster once it runs out of steam.

The STi brings a bigger turbo and intercooler along with a mandatory 6spd manual and Brembo brakes.

Your joking right? .......

Heres your 2010 Automatic STI:
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/07/subaru-wrx-sti-gets-five-speed-automatic-option-down-under/

Coincidentally, the STI I raced was white, and identical to the one in the pics LOL Except the one I raced, had dark tint in the rear windows

 

[RodLS]

Canada is in Australia?

 

[G-RELL]

i knew i was going the wrong direction

 

[lincoln_zero]

lincoln_zero,

We can bicker back and forth like a yoyo, but i already explained myself, proving my point.

As stated at the top of our dialogue by me and others, it's not worth investing all that money into the LS.

You will automatically loose reliability and the transmission is never going to hold up. They have hard time as it is. The ZF 6 speed, found it many prestigious vehicles can manage over 600 ft-lb/hp without hesitation! It's fine to go fast, but you need to stop the car too, which will require a brake upgrade. And, the list just goes on...

My tenacious view is there to prevent him wasting his money. If you think it's a wise investment, that's fine.

NOTE: i didn't quote you entirely, to avoid filling up the page.

-All the best

Theres 2 guys I know of, who have forced inducted their LS's. To my knowledge, neither had tranny or suspension failures. So, im gonna call you on this one, total BS. Its one thing to have an opinion, its another to try and make a statement like its a fact.

So instead of ME talking, ill let OTHERS who actually DID THE WORK and forced inducted their LS's Do the talking for me.
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=42639
Some people even questioned weather 550 HP would rip up the rear suspension, and were refuted by ILLS who forced inducted his machine.
Before you post back, REALLY READ the first few posts.

I understand you made your choice, and bravo you bought a car you like. But anyone who wants to say the LS cant handle 400 + Horses, was turned off by the hard work involved, and just wanted to spend a couple grand on bolt-ons to put them into 12 seconds.

How much do you know about the LS to say its unstable, or unreliable (for the record, this car from the factory is unreliable, so whats the harm in Turboing it ) and to say its too costly? I was told by one of those guys they can Turbo my LS with parts and slight mods, for under 10 grand.


I LOVE the Lincoln LS. This is one of the BEST cars FoMoCo has ever built. And the 3.9L is an AMAZING engine. Everything about this car is perfect. No bolto-ons, but on my next post, you will see some NICE powerful LS's that required hard work! This car is Gorgeous!!!!

 

[lincoln_zero]

Quick search on youtube TURBO LINCOLN LS:

lincoln ls turbo - YouTube

BTI Lincoln LS Turbo Run - YouTube

Turbocharged Lincoln LS Build Video - YouTube

Lincoln Ls Turbo - YouTube
Just found your video ALAX7 LOL


And then there's this guy, who is one of the most knowledgeable on the Lincoln LS. His is Supercharged.
QuickLS
Quik LS - SuperCharged Lincoln LS - lite burnout - YouTube

 

[05 LS8]

Theres 2 guys I know of, who have forced inducted their LS's. To my knowledge, neither had tranny or suspension failures. So, im gonna call you on this one, total BS. Its one thing to have an opinion, its another to try and make a statement like its a fact.

So instead of ME talking, ill let OTHERS who actually DID THE WORK and forced inducted their LS's Do the talking for me.
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=42639
Some people even questioned weather 550 HP would rip up the rear suspension, and were refuted by ILLS who forced inducted his machine.
Before you post back, REALLY READ the first few posts.

I understand you made your choice, and bravo you bought a car you like. But anyone who wants to say the LS cant handle 400 + Horses, was turned off by the hard work involved, and just wanted to spend a couple grand on bolt-ons to put them into 12 seconds.

How much do you know about the LS to say its unstable, or unreliable (for the record, this car from the factory is unreliable, so whats the harm in Turboing it ) and to say its too costly? I was told by one of those guys they can Turbo my LS with parts and slight mods, for under 10 grand.


I LOVE the Lincoln LS. This is one of the BEST cars FoMoCo has ever built. And the 3.9L is an AMAZING engine. Everything about this car is perfect. No bolto-ons, but on my next post, you will see some NICE powerful LS's that required hard work! This car is Gorgeous!!!!

You are really starting to sound like a Mark viii owner.... And, don't get me to start on my education sessions again!

You are questioning my statements, when in reality everything you have been saying was either contradicting or false.

Did you read the article in Auto blog before you posted it? It says available only in AUSTRALIA. Continents shifted i suspect.
Can't provide me with simple facts and prove me wrong. You want me take your word for a imaginary project you have in mind that is never going to get done correctly or completed at all?

You posted a thread of a project that was never was finished. I can fill out the entire LS forum with old threads and incomplete projects by passionate people like yourself. I don't give a sh#t it's Spsully or some other guy, who had an idea that never turned into reality. He maybe Almighty to you, but not to me.
Those guys that told you all those things you think are possible, are the same type of guys who made promises to Alax. You know how long he was without it? (Alax, if you are reading this, i apologize for bringing it up)

Give up on those youtube links, they don't prove anything. McDonalds sells a lot of food, doesn't mean it's good. And, it's not about making HP, it's about having a balanced car.

Again, goes back to business. When you start showing me facts and figures accompanied with completed projects, then i will take your word.

 

[G-RELL]

the white LS is ugly

 

[MooJohn]

Your joking right? .......

Heres your 2010 Automatic STI:
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/07/subaru-wrx-sti-gets-five-speed-automatic-option-down-under/

Thus

Canada is in Australia?

I may be a newb here but I don't BS. Not gonna find an automatic STi anywhere but AUS apparently. To offer the automatic there didn't take anything special on Subaru's part; the same transmission was always available behind the 2.5 turbo in the Legacy GT.

FWIW, my Superchipped 01 Grand Marquis (ran 9.9 @ 73 in the 1/8th) outran a stock 02 WRX 5spd from a 40 roll. Without his AWD advantage the ol' Marquis pulled steadily. From 60-90 it was a veritable beat down.

 

[lincoln_zero]

You are really starting to sound like a Mark viii owner....

And Your starting to sound like the MKS owner(s)!

You want me take your word for a imaginary project you have in mind that is never going to get done correctly or completed at all?

My word means nothing to you. That was the point of giving you that link. It was not to show an incomplete project, but to show you those who thought the LS couldn't handle large amounts of horsepower, were refuted by those WHO HAVE DONE IT. I take THEIR word over yours.

Give up on those youtube links, they don't prove anything.

It only proves that there are several Forced inducted LS's out there handling the power just fine

Again, goes back to business. When you start showing me facts and figures accompanied with completed projects, then i will take your word.

Don't take my word. But you cant refute the LS's already running Turbos. Those people already proved you wrong, before you even signed up on this site.



And this is the cherry on top:

And, it's not about making HP, it's about having a balanced car.

Please, explain to everyone in this community what "Balance" is in relation to vehicle horse power and vehicle balance, and how running a Turbo in the LS makes it unbalanced. And if possible relate any experience you may have (in accordance with Turbo'ing a LINCOLN LS, not some other car) to assure us you know what your talking about?

If you can't, then just don't post a reply. Save your breath for the MKS guys.