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I ordered the Mass Air Kit from LMS it came with the K&N Filter and the LMS unit, it doesnt seem to be plug and play? what else do i need to install correctly?
 
cmcallister6 said:
I ordered the Mass Air Kit from LMS it came with the K&N Filter and the LMS unit, it doesnt seem to be plug and play? what else do i need to install correctly?
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I have never understood why anyone uses anything other than the stock air box with the paper filter. The stock air box is about the best you're gonna get, unless you're going for looks. Not knocking what you're doing and maybe you have some major HP under the hood that needs the kit. Any pics of what you have going on with the engine? We all like pictures.:p
 
I'm running my stock MAF that I pulled out of the airbox and connected to a K&N cone filter with MAF adapter. Good enough for a 13.59 1/4 mile in a Gen2. I wouldn't mess with it unless I went with a power adder, but that's just me. I used to overanalyze things too. :p I have yet to come to the point of believing that my stock MAF is a restriction and affecting my NA performance. I know what is, but it's not the MAF. :D
 
NoLimit95 said:
I have never understood why anyone uses anything other than the stock air box with the paper filter. The stock air box is about the best you're gonna get, unless you're going for looks. Not knocking what you're doing and maybe you have some major HP under the hood that needs the kit. Any pics of what you have going on with the engine? We all like pictures.:p
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Do you have dyno time to prove that cause I do believe that lms has dyno time to prove that you are wrong maybe Geno could answer this for us.
 
slowmkviii said:
Do you have dyno time to prove that cause I do believe that lms has dyno time to prove that you are wrong maybe Geno could answer this for us.
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Don't forget, I am talking about stock. No gears, nothing special about the intake, no tune or anything. I'm not claiming anything to be wrong about besides the fact that swapping from the stock setup to a cone filter isn't giving you anything you'll notice, besides the looks of it.

I wouldn't bother to dyno my car because all it has is a shaved intake tube lol. Everything else is completely stock. The only purpose I see for having the cone setup is for if you had something under the hood that really needs it. Hopefully I made more sense this time.
 
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=50511&highlight=airbox

The only reason I would even think about having anything different under my hood for air intake is if under my hood looked like this. BTW, not even he removed the stock air box. Still looks good.

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slowmkviii said:
As the op said he put the kit in and that comes with an 80mm mass air flow housing.
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I understand that and I responded by not understanding why anyone would swap and do away with the stock air box. Unless you have a built car with something requiring more heat in the air intake and an oily filter. Maybe it's just me but I wouldn't have a cone filter on my car, even if someone paid me to put it on. Only my opinion.

I would like to see some proof that it actually increases a "stock" engines HP. Do they look good? Yes, under some hoods but it's really not helping you either.

Geno, he might need it. He has HP. Mike Shultz and a few others on here might need it for an additional gain but for the majority of us, it's for looks.
 
what are you talking about ? it couldnt be more simple. undo the air box and disconnect wires for maf then take out housing. undo the torx fittings on top of maf, take out the wire element, be careful, then place it in the lms maf unit. put unit back in air inlet, put on filter or either way and you plug the unit into new maf. the stock intake flows 560cfm, lms will flow 900cfm .it does not really provide more than5 hp on stock motor. with good exhaust ( headers, etc) and a tune 15-20 hp. the directions can be followed by a 10 yr old building model airplanes, in fact easier.technically you could leave the box, but think of this take your normal everyday straw, now suck through it, air. now do it with a toilet paper roll. you get more air in faster,period. conical filters are really an improvement in flow and maintennance. keep buying new filters or clean the one you have
 
The stock mass air meter is not a restriction for all motor whatsoever. It is 80mm !
 
I am with Terry on this one, no need to waste the money. How many people have had problems just because they have an oiled filter and it gums up the MAF?
 
the1andonlygr81 said:
what are you talking about ? it couldnt be more simple. undo the air box and disconnect wires for maf then take out housing. undo the torx fittings on top of maf, take out the wire element, be careful, then place it in the lms maf unit. put unit back in air inlet, put on filter or either way and you plug the unit into new maf. the stock intake flows 560cfm, lms will flow 900cfm .it does not really provide more than5 hp on stock motor. with good exhaust ( headers, etc) and a tune 15-20 hp. the directions can be followed by a 10 yr old building model airplanes, in fact easier.technically you could leave the box, but think of this take your normal everyday straw, now suck through it, air. now do it with a toilet paper roll. you get more air in faster,period. conical filters are really an improvement in flow and maintennance. keep buying new filters or clean the one you have
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At 6500 rpm, your 4.6L engine flows about 540 cfm, the stock 80mm is supposed to be fine up to around 670 cfm (the newer 80mm are around 800). If you have access to a dyno, you should get a few graphs before the swap and few after the swap (your engine has mods); that would be good info and the ultimate test!

If you know somebody with a flow bench, you could get both of your MAF's tested - that would be interesting, too!
 
So to sum all these posts up, unless you have some mods done, the kit from LMS if a waste of money. I will put that $$ towards my sound system which i will be getting done soon :)
 
obviously nobody pays attention. the LMS unit is a 80mm c/l 900cfm unit. the stock unit is NOT 80mm unrestricted. the center is highly restrictive and reduces volume by 10mm with the large meter in the center but it flows 560 cfm with the stock air box.add c/l unit & the conical k/n filter you get 900cfm put the two next to eachother and you can see the difference. not only is it bigger, it doesnt have as big a restriction inside.by itself a small potential gain is possible. any mods accentuate others, so if your planing on more get it. if you want it for looks, get it, if you get a larger throttle body the improvements increase.make a circle with yur finger and thumb, now put your finger in it, then take it out. which one do you think more air gets through? hmmm?
 
I know that unless that cone is sealed off from the engine bay, it is sucking in hot air. My engine likes cold air. Dunno about yours. Swapping the maf without much else done to the motor is pointless.
 
How much oil do you people put in your filters dam. I have never had a problem with my k&n filters.
 
cmcallister6 said:
I ordered the Mass Air Kit from LMS it came with the K&N Filter and the LMS unit, it doesnt seem to be plug and play? what else do i need to install correctly?
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Don't know ... I have an LMS on my 94 (came free from a good friend) .... (No extra improvement on performance) Looks nice ... But It was plug and play for mine ...

LOL ... maybe you need the flux capacitor adapter ....

What's not plugging and playing?
 
were missing the important part that it is plug and play. couldnt be easier. my conical isnt sucking hot air as i removed all factory obstructions and have clean air coming in from under. and if you are allthe way to the edge of the engine bay with fan blowing the temp increase is less than 5 deg. checked with heat probe in box and on filter.like said before, without mods and tune, not much diff.:)
 
LSC HUNTER said:
I am with Terry on this one, no need to waste the money. How many people have had problems just because they have an oiled filter and it gums up the MAF?
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Thats an old wives tale. Its USER ERROR that causes this on re oiling/OVER oiling. LOL Let ONE person whom has our kit chime in and say they had this problem?
 
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