TheDude
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The fact you feel you need an "armed security team" and then some, just to attend your church should let you know that America has a super-mega gun problem.
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The fact you feel you need an "armed security team" and then some, just to attend your church should let you know that America has a super-mega gun problem.
04_Sport_LS
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THIS... is modern day Islam. It hasn't changed in hundreds of years. Ask the Jews about that. 
Surah Muhammad - 4 - Quran.com
Surah Muhammad - 4 - Quran.com
TheDude
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No, the Torah is not about Jesus. You're telling Jews what their own book/region is about and it's very silly of you.
The point was that some Muslims added after-the-fact, so Mohammad (PHUH) is prophesied to come in the Torah and New Testament from their point of view.
Why is it okay for you to add after-the-fact and not them?
04_Sport_LS
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They are for preventative measures. There are a lot of kids there too.
False... the security team has no weapons. They observe only... looking out for potential threats.
There's been enough churches shot up over the last few decades too.
04_Sport_LS
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Now that is different. As more dead sea scrolls are being found, more manuscripts are being found. Proving that the Bible is accurate.
04_Sport_LS
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I didn't exactly say that. I said that proof of Jesus birth and death is predicted and prophesied about in the Torah... as "the son of G-d".
Try Again.
TheDude
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THIS... is modern day Islam. It hasn't changed in hundreds of years. Ask the Jews about that.
Surah Muhammad - 4 - Quran.com
I'm aware, as I've also read the Quran. It's the second largest religion in the world.
You realize the Torah and therefore your Bible has similar passages of violence?
Samuel 15:2-4
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
04_Sport_LS
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You need to sit down and spend some time actually reading the Old Testament (Torah).
But... If you are Jewish, I now see the problem.
But... If you are Jewish, I now see the problem.
TheDude
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You said there is a Sheriff and armed members at your church for security, it's right above. You needing guns in church to feel safe shows that America has a massive gun problem, you're being willfully blind.
TheDude
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04_Sport_LS
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The Amalakites were a corrupt people. ELOHIM passed judgement on them. Nuff said?
04_Sport_LS
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Nope. Jesus is (was) a Jew. In fact, I support Jewish businesses. B&H photo/video is my main "go to" for electronics purchases. Right in downtown NYC.
Sorry I can't keep up with your typing. But lies (and defamation) travel faster than the truth.
04_Sport_LS
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The Sheriff hangs out at church every week. He is the only person visibly carrying a gun. I don't know how many others are doing concealed carry.
The church is open all week... not just on Sundays. Roughly 300 students are there through the week. The majority of the "security detail" don't carry guns. They are "eyes only" for potential trouble.
But go ahead... make a mountain out of a mole hill.
04_Sport_LS
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Don't remember who said this... "A lie travels half way around the world, while the truth is still trying to put it's shoes on."
04_Sport_LS
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No... but I've been waiting for you to go back into your "guns are evil" mode.
Once again... a gun is an inanimate object. It... in and of itself... cannot do anything. It is the person behind the gun that is the problem, when they decide to take a life.
Once again... If a driver gets drunk and gets behind the wheel... and runs over someone... who's fault is it?
The car... or the driver?
Here we go again. Right back to "square one". And we were doing so good.......
Do I need to bring up the MMPI test again?
TheDude
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Their sucking infants were corrupt and deserving of death too?
TheDude
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Literally never said "guns are evil".
But I've already shown the flaws in your gun arguments and analogies.
Fair enough, because I've heard plenty a Jew-Hating Christian and there's plenty of them out there. The "Jews killed Christ!" ranting kind. Which is just an ignorant and factually incorrect statement.
I asked a question based on you saying "problem", wasn't an accusation you sensitive flower.
04_Sport_LS
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Well... all I can say is look up what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah... and take it up with Elohim. It's in Genesis ch19.
The site for the destruction of those 2 cities have been uncovered for a number of years now... so there is literal PROOF.
04_Sport_LS
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TheDude
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Well no, because that's not the point. The point was religious text having horrible acts carried out by the religion's practitioners and it being condoned.
As far as Sodom and Gomorrah existing, there's no definitive prove that either city existed, let alone existed and was blasted away by the wrath of god. These are more allegories, stories to teach a lesson, not actual historical accounts.
04_Sport_LS
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So now you don't believe the Torah??? You might as well read Aesop's fables.
It is historically proven... and now archeologically proven... that the sites of Sodom and Gomorrah did exist.
What caused Elohim to be so angry... that he would destroy 2 cities and all the people... Except for Lot and his family... and the 2 angels.
Hint... it's in Genesis 19.
04_Sport_LS
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And you say you know the Torah. My apologies. Maybe I should have said the Tanakh
My apologies. Maybe I should have said the Tanakh
TheDude
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Reading a book doesn't mean someone automatically takes everything in it as truth. eg I've read Frankenstein and Moby Dick as well, but are they factual accounts? No. Both stories are allegories though.
The Torah is full of allegories, stories meant to teach, not be historical facts. This isn't hard to understand.
Wrong again, there's absolutely zero factual evidence that Sodom and Gomorrah existed. Those stories were meant to teach people lessons on proper behavior.
Also, the people of Sodom's sins were that of greed and arrogance, of having plentiful bounty and not sharing with her neighbors and those in need. It's a story that was meant to teach people to be humble, kind and giving. Not "gays are bad!!!!", as you probably believe.
The Torah is full of allegories, stories meant to teach, not be historical facts. This isn't hard to understand.
Wrong again, there's absolutely zero factual evidence that Sodom and Gomorrah existed. Those stories were meant to teach people lessons on proper behavior.
Also, the people of Sodom's sins were that of greed and arrogance, of having plentiful bounty and not sharing with her neighbors and those in need. It's a story that was meant to teach people to be humble, kind and giving. Not "gays are bad!!!!", as you probably believe.
04_Sport_LS
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You just keep telling yourself that.