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So from what I've read the coil over is the cost effective way to go. My only question is, in comparison to the ride which is better I.E dose it still feel like your riding on the bags? And how do I go about droping the front 1.5 in and the back 1.25. Its not a civic so I haven't seen sites that have the conversion with lowering springs.

So if someone could write a list on what to get that would be nice and also where to get the best "hard" parts, as in the arms bushings. My front left ball joint is shot,:( shouldn't have got the cheap Ebay upper arms.

Thanks for the help.
 
The only way to get a 1.5 drop is cut a coil on the coversion kit, which IMO is the stupiest thing to do to a coil, or build your own with tbird parts. I got tbird stuff on the cheap. I spent about 300 bucks for everything, but I got the springs super cheap NIB.
 
Well this sucks lol, i want the feel of being able to take a freeway curve at 70 to feel like my cosworth with out loosing the comfortable float of the air ride.

And i ment the Title to be Suspension rebuild so with that in mind, what hard parts(arm busing, etc) so I need to get to achieve less body roll in corners? Where and what do I buy? Like on Imports you get the strut tower brace etc.
 
The parts for sale section has braces that will stiffen the car up(username Saturn) and I love my lowered tbird suspension. Addco makes bigger sway bars. My car corners like it is a vette. It just doesn't ride like a wet noddle lincoln anymore.
 
philly0420 said:
The parts for sale section has braces that will stiffen the car up(username Saturn) and I love my lowered tbird suspension. Addco makes bigger sway bars. My car corners like it is a vette. It just doesn't ride like a wet noddle lincoln anymore.
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So which parts from the Tbird suspension do i get so i can lower it? and I'll look those parts up.

Thanks
Norton
 
And to add I'm only looking for a decent suspension mod, if you've been in a honda with a basic lowering kit and strut/sway bars thats what i mean nothing to crazy. Would all new bags and bushings w/ the braces and a sensor lowered set up get a lot better handling? and a good deal less on the body roll?
 
Springs and front struts. Rear spring isolators(I used poly ones for a 03 cobra) and you will need a upper rear perch. I had a machine shop make mine. I had them add about 3/4 of an inch to the thickness of the perch. Tbird LCAs are taller than the MarkVIIIs so the rear will sit lower if you don't compensate for this.
http://www.lincolnsonline.com/tech/00240.html
 
pearl98 said:
And to add I'm only looking for a decent suspension mod, if you've been in a honda with a basic lowering kit and strut/sway bars thats what i mean nothing to crazy. Would all new bags and bushings w/ the braces and a sensor lowered set up get a lot better handling? and a good deal less on the body roll?
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Yea but I don't like air, and what I did was way cheaper than new bags, that may start leaking again down the road. If you bags are holding air, they are good. They won't get worn out and cause body roll. At least I don't think they do.
 
ya they hold on while driving, its when I park the left side drops lower the then the right. what would cause this? And they are stock with 114k miles on them.

so the list. (these parts do bolt right on right?(sry for so many questions))

V8 Tbird front and ring springs
Tokico struts
3/4-1" taller upper perchs made by a machine shop with the rubber mating in them
and poly bushings with braces from saturn

thats all i should need to get a good firm suspension? and whats your ride height about?
 
I literally put the parts on and drove it to the house from my rental property and put it away for the winter, so I the suspension never really settled. I have a 1.5 inch drop in the front and it sits just a little higher in the rear.

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I was reading the posts but got distracted so I will just say this. The Mark VIII can out handle many sports cars with simple mods and retaining the air ride. Larger sway bars is a must. I like the 1.25" bars cause they are stiff but not overly so like the 1 3/8 bars. K member and firewall brace makes a very nice improvement but the IRS brace is the hot ticket. Really makes the tail feel better. Dropping the car down on the air ride helps too but don't go too far or you lose your spring rate. Bilstien, Koni or Tokico shocks in the rear help a ton. And lastly, the stock tires are way way too tall for good cornering. You need a larger wheel with a shorter sidewall tire thats is also wider.

With these mods your Cosworth will not be able to hang with the Mark in the corners. I can pull just a hair over 1 g continuous with my car and spike a 1.5g load.

Oh yeah, a LSD helps a LOT in being able to exit a corner at a high rate of speed.


PS, our cars dont have struts.
 
LaserSVT said:
I was reading the posts but got distracted so I will just say this. The Mark VIII can out handle many sports cars with simple mods and retaining the air ride. Larger sway bars is a must. I like the 1.25" bars cause they are stiff but not overly so like the 1 3/8 bars. K member and firewall brace makes a very nice improvement but the IRS brace is the hot ticket. Really makes the tail feel better. Dropping the car down on the air ride helps too but don't go too far or you lose your spring rate. Bilstien, Koni or Tokico shocks in the rear help a ton. And lastly, the stock tires are way way too tall for good cornering. You need a larger wheel with a shorter sidewall tire thats is also wider.

With these mods your Cosworth will not be able to hang with the Mark in the corners. I can pull just a hair over 1 g continuous with my car and spike a 1.5g load.

Oh yeah, a LSD helps a LOT in being able to exit a corner at a high rate of speed.


PS, our cars dont have struts.
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Well of course the Lsd is gonna help( in my cossy its fun :D but thats only 32% stock:( i need to get the gradual diff so it goes from 32 to 100% something like that forgot where i read it) But all the braces where do i get these? sway bars, K member/ firewall brace, and the irs brace?
 
pearl98 said:
ya they hold on while driving, its when I park the left side drops lower the then the right. what would cause this? And they are stock with 114k miles on them.

so the list. (these parts do bolt right on right?(sry for so many questions))

V8 Tbird front and ring springs
Tokico struts 3/4-1" taller upper perchs made by a machine shop with the rubber mating in them
and poly bushings with braces from saturn

thats all i should need to get a good firm suspension? and whats your ride height about?
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thaywood said:
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:lol: Thanks for showing me my errors. :D
philly0420 said:
Who said anything about Marks having struts? However if you are riding Tbird stuff, then you have struts up front. Also when you order new bags for the front they are called air struts. Here is a tech about replacing FRONT STRUTS.
http://www.markviii.org/LOD2/strut.htm
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People call things the wrong thing all the time. Me and Thaywood had this conversation and he pointed out the determining factor for something to be called a strut and I felt so dumb for forgetting it. A strut takes the place of an upper controll arm and is whats adjusted for camber and castor.
Our cars have an upper controll arm and have the camber/castor settings done on the lower controll arm.
Our cars have air spring shocks up front, not air struts.
 
browse the tbird forums, there are plenty of v8 drop springs around that no one around here seems to mention
 
LaserSVT said:
I was reading the posts but got distracted so I will just say this. The Mark VIII can out handle many sports cars with simple mods and retaining the air ride. Larger sway bars is a must. I like the 1.25" bars cause they are stiff but not overly so like the 1 3/8 bars. K member and firewall brace makes a very nice improvement but the IRS brace is the hot ticket. Really makes the tail feel better. Dropping the car down on the air ride helps too but don't go too far or you lose your spring rate. Bilstien, Koni or Tokico shocks in the rear help a ton. And lastly, the stock tires are way way too tall for good cornering. You need a larger wheel with a shorter sidewall tire thats is also wider.

With these mods your Cosworth will not be able to hang with the Mark in the corners. I can pull just a hair over 1 g continuous with my car and spike a 1.5g load.

Oh yeah, a LSD helps a LOT in being able to exit a corner at a high rate of speed.


PS, our cars dont have struts.
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Well not to start this up again but, I went to my forum for my cosworth and heres what I came up with dont tear to much because i figured this is what would be said I just didnt wanna say it my self

"Incidentally, there's no way in hell you're pulling anywhere near 1 g in the corners with a Mark VIII. I don't know how you're measuring, but it's simply not possible."

"To put things in perspective, a fully prepped club racer running coilovers and R-compound tires doesn't even approach 1 g continuous. That's slicks & wings touring car territory."

"My modified Cossies will outhandle my 500E even with the big rubber I have on the 500E (275 35 18's rear, 245 40 18's front) and the 500E also known as "the legend" is fairly famous for it's handling and power, as possibly the finest sedan Mercedes ever built...Not actually claiming that it is....but that's it's reputation. They are like go-carts in comparison"
For a 15 year old hunk of American iron, that car sure was able to hold it's own. Plenty of power, had some good, wide rubber on it as well as sway bar upgrades and a few other bits and pieces. For a Lincoln, it was handling surprisingly well and also cornering way better than I would have ever expected.

"I actually had a Mark VIII until spring of this year, when I finally had to make some room in the vehicle park for new arrivals :P. I don't have a comparison to the Cossie, as I never had the chance to chase one across a track, but I have raced a 3.2 AMG (with slight mods, but nothing too crazy) and there is no doubt in my mind that I'd do a way better time in the W201 than I ever could in the Mark VIII, no matter how much respect I do have for the Mark VIII."

and last

"I'm in the camp of "no chance". There's no way a Mark VIII can out-handle a 16V - even bone stock. I've never driven any American car short of a 'vette that had anywhere near the poise and agility of a 16V. Maybe you can achieve decent testing numbers with such mods (and I also doubt his claims), but in the real world there's just no comparison when it comes to how the car reacts under various changes in attitude and input. The balanced 16V is very forgiving, while the heavily modded Mark VIII would likely have a tendency to bite you in the butt when pushed."

all from members off 190rev.net
 
pearl98 said:
Well not to start this up again but, I went to my forum for my cosworth and heres what I came up with dont tear to much because i figured this is what would be said I just didnt wanna say it my self

"Incidentally, there's no way in hell you're pulling anywhere near 1 g in the corners with a Mark VIII. I don't know how you're measuring, but it's simply not possible."

"To put things in perspective, a fully prepped club racer running coilovers and R-compound tires doesn't even approach 1 g continuous. That's slicks & wings touring car territory."

"My modified Cossies will outhandle my 500E even with the big rubber I have on the 500E (275 35 18's rear, 245 40 18's front) and the 500E also known as "the legend" is fairly famous for it's handling and power, as possibly the finest sedan Mercedes ever built...Not actually claiming that it is....but that's it's reputation. They are like go-carts in comparison"
For a 15 year old hunk of American iron, that car sure was able to hold it's own. Plenty of power, had some good, wide rubber on it as well as sway bar upgrades and a few other bits and pieces. For a Lincoln, it was handling surprisingly well and also cornering way better than I would have ever expected.

"I actually had a Mark VIII until spring of this year, when I finally had to make some room in the vehicle park for new arrivals :P. I don't have a comparison to the Cossie, as I never had the chance to chase one across a track, but I have raced a 3.2 AMG (with slight mods, but nothing too crazy) and there is no doubt in my mind that I'd do a way better time in the W201 than I ever could in the Mark VIII, no matter how much respect I do have for the Mark VIII."

and last

"I'm in the camp of "no chance". There's no way a Mark VIII can out-handle a 16V - even bone stock. I've never driven any American car short of a 'vette that had anywhere near the poise and agility of a 16V. Maybe you can achieve decent testing numbers with such mods (and I also doubt his claims), but in the real world there's just no comparison when it comes to how the car reacts under various changes in attitude and input. The balanced 16V is very forgiving, while the heavily modded Mark VIII would likely have a tendency to bite you in the butt when pushed."

all from members off 190rev.net
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maybe i am getting too old but i have no idea what any of the 16v and the w201 is.
 
Go on supercoupeperformance.com get the eibach lowering springs and get the tokico supercoupe electronic adjustable strut and shocks....... put it on with supercoupe front and rear sway bars and u will be happy with the handling and ride quaility....... and u can adjust the tokicos ur self if u want firm or soft just a quick 5 min job with small needle nose pliers...... turn it a qaurter of a turn clockwise for firm and counter clockwise for soft..... I did just the tokickos on my stock v8 springs on my bird and it made a hell of a difference on firm...... I found them at a junk yard on a cougar xr7 for 50 bucks for all of them
 
Hey I didn't say all that because i don't think the Mark can handle corners with a built suspension. And I'm also not implying that its a huge boat, all I did was make it known that 1) I didn't be leave a lincoln with basic suspension work handling 1-1.5 gs my brothers FC race car can barley do that and it sits an inch off the ground 2) With both cars built its not going to out handle the cosworth 3) Do all that to a brand new lincoln mark VIII and take it on an oval race track and run it for 24 hours straight only stopping to change driver fuel and oil once and full speed (143mph-cosworth) and only have 2 or 3 things go wrong with it.

I love the mark VIII its one of my favorite cars. I hate when people amp up something they own that isn't gonna do what they say it will, because with out an crap load of work and money its not going to happen or ever happen depends. physics I think is what you would use to figure that out.
 
pearl98 said:
Hey I didn't say all that because i don't think the Mark can handle corners with a built suspension. And I'm also not implying that its a huge boat, all I did was make it known that 1) I didn't be leave a lincoln with basic suspension work handling 1-1.5 gs my brothers FC race car can barley do that and it sits an inch off the ground 2) With both cars built its not going to out handle the cosworth 3) Do all that to a brand new lincoln mark VIII and take it on an oval race track and run it for 24 hours straight only stopping to change driver fuel and oil once and full speed (143mph-cosworth) and only have 2 or 3 things go wrong with it.

I love the mark VIII its one of my favorite cars. I hate when people amp up something they own that isn't gonna do what they say it will, because with out an crap load of work and money its not going to happen or ever happen depends. physics I think is what you would use to figure that out.
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I edited this cause I found out the answer.
 
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pearl98 said:
Hey I didn't say all that because i don't think the Mark can handle corners with a built suspension. And I'm also not implying that its a huge boat, all I did was make it known that 1) I didn't be leave a lincoln with basic suspension work handling 1-1.5 gs my brothers FC race car can barley do that and it sits an inch off the ground 2) With both cars built its not going to out handle the cosworth 3) Do all that to a brand new lincoln mark VIII and take it on an oval race track and run it for 24 hours straight only stopping to change driver fuel and oil once and full speed (143mph-cosworth) and only have 2 or 3 things go wrong with it.

I love the mark VIII its one of my favorite cars. I hate when people amp up something they own that isn't gonna do what they say it will, because with out an crap load of work and money its not going to happen or ever happen depends. physics I think is what you would use to figure that out.
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STFU noob and go play on your 4 banger boards. If your friend or brother or ghey lover cant get a full on race car to pull 1g then they dont know what the fock they are doing. The new ZR1 will pull just over a G continuous and a new LIVE AXLE Mustang GT can pull 1 G and thats BOX STOCK.

My car could only manage .82Gs when it was stock and this is using a G-Tech (yeah, cheesy) but its readings were always within .01 of what the NAV system recorded so seemed close enough for me.

Brace the lower rear controll arms so they dont flex, support the front suspension lower points so they dont flex, add large sway bars, a 4 clutch trac lok, lower the center of gravity, put on tires with near DOUBLE the foot print and you can see why the car can now corner with the same level as a new GT or Vette.

I AM NOT SAYING I CAN OUTHANDLE A ZR1! They can exit faster and enter latter plus have more wiggle room when they slide and turn in faster on tight decreasing radius corners, BUT if it was a long sweeping corner I can pull the same lateral Gs.

This aint my first rodeo and I have SCCA raced in Hawaii for years and built many many performance cars and ALWAYS play with suspension first. I understand the dynamics, spring rates, bound, rebound, suspension travel vs. camber/toe. I know how to set chit up, I know how to drive and I know how to read a digital display.


Drive your cute little 4 door out here, I have miles and miles of twisties and excellent roads. By the third corner you wont even see my tail lights any more but may just hear the faint whine of my blower as I exit turn 6 and you enter turn 4.
 
Here are some cars you may understand:

http://www.modified.com/tech/0805_sccp_benchracing/index.html

RX-7 FD3s 1.06g
EVO VIII 1.06g
Miata 1.08g
Honda Fit race 1.09
Honda S2000 Race 1.15


All are cars that easily surpass the 1g mark. Only two are race cars, the others are street cars with upgraded suspension and tires.

F1 cars are seeing 3+ g's and this is all continuous.

When I said I spiked a 1.5 that means nothing and was prolly from a tail wag.
F1 cars see 5g spikes.
 
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