so our cars.........

ford nut said:
I wouldnt blame someone if they went with it and saved a lot of money, but I don't like the program.

To me it hurts the poor.
If you can't afford a new car this bill won't help you any.
Plus if have to go to the auto recyclers to get parts to keep your clunker going, there will be less cars to get parts from.
I look at it as another bail out.
Sure the middle class that still have jobs can save some cash.
The whole idea is to give a boost the auto companys again.
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Yep, the gremlins of unintended consequences are at work again :)

Another one: knowing that they won't find better deals for the next couple of years at least; also knowing that the new CAFE standards are going to increase the price of cars in general; people are making car purchases now with the intention of being the last new car expense for some time. The net effect here is that the temporary boost in sales will come at a cost of cannabilizing future car sales for the next couple years.

My test subject with the Sentra already had two other brand new cars and he had gotten rid of a 1993 Chrysler, so the oldest car in his fleet is now only two years. He had not planned on buying another car for a couple more years at least, but taking the two above statements into account, he picked up the Sentra early with the intention of it being the last time he buys a new car for 6-8 years and knowing it will be far cheaper now than if he waits.
 
I work at a FLM dealership, only the 98 Mark VIII qualifies. Don't ask me why cause I have no idea. And if you trade your 98 Mark VIII in as a clunker you deserve to get slapped...
 
luxuryrules said:
Yep, the gremlins of unintended consequences are at work again :)

Another one: knowing that they won't find better deals for the next couple of years at least; also knowing that the new CAFE standards are going to increase the price of cars in general; people are making car purchases now with the intention of being the last new car expense for some time. The net effect here is that the temporary boost in sales will come at a cost of cannabilizing future car sales for the next couple years.

My test subject with the Sentra already had two other brand new cars and he had gotten rid of a 1993 Chrysler, so the oldest car in his fleet is now only two years. He had not planned on buying another car for a couple more years at least, but taking the two above statements into account, he picked up the Sentra early with the intention of it being the last time he buys a new car for 6-8 years and knowing it will be far cheaper now than if he waits.
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I never thought of that and its a good point.
I think that is also happening with the housing market.
There will be a boost until the end of the year with people getting the 8k tax credit.
Then the market will drop again.
Time will tell.
 
Is this clunker program attempt to "help" us conserve the earth's natural resources? You know, get us driving cars that get better mpg... burn less oil, create less green house gasses - yada yada yada. I think that's what it's being sold as.

My question is: What's the cost to our natural resources to build the new cars they want us to "trade up" to? Maybe, just maybe, we'd save more oil, create less green house gasses and all that happy horsesh!t if we just kept our old "clunkers" on the road, and not build a bunch of new cars that I, for one, don't want.
 
I told the guy at work to trade in his pos Toyota but it gets to good of mileage to qualify then I thought I could trade in the Town car but why would I want to trade to a newer pos with a car payment
I agree this may hurt a lot of people who dont know how to spend there money you know the ones who bought a house that they thought they could afford now they can add a car payment to that
 
slowmkviii said:
I told the guy at work to trade in his pos Toyota but it gets to good of mileage to qualify then I thought I could trade in the Town car but why would I want to trade to a newer pos with a car payment
I agree this may hurt a lot of people who dont know how to spend there money you know the ones who bought a house that they thought they could afford now they can add a car payment to that
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It's not so much that people bought houses that they couldn't afford. It was that they had a cushion that all but depleted thanks to the greed of speculators and oil execs. Gas prices went through the roof, and that extra cushion dwindled. Food prices and electric prices followed and that cushion dwindled some more. Then came the rise in everything else and that cushion was now in the negatives. Now because of all time high prices, companies started cutting jobs and families that once were able to afford their lives were screwed because not only do they no longer make enough to pay their bills, but there are no jobs to replace the lost jobs with.

I keep hearing people point fingers at the housing market, and careless buyers when the finger should really be pointed at speculators, oil execs, opec, and our government. Had they not allowed speculators to have a free for all we wouldn't be in the mess in the first place.

I too was a victim of this and let me tell you I did not have a high house payment, car payment, or anything like that. I did not spend frivilously....hell I didn't even have cable for 6 years. But regardless when the construction industry drops out and there are no comparable jobs to replace yours, you're SOL!

I warned everyone I knew this was going to happen before it did. As soon as the gas prices started going up I warned everyone this was going to be a domino effect that will devestate this country and I was damn right! I remember all the idiots that mocked warnings, and said I was a conspiracy theorist for saying such things. Funny how whenever I pull those old threads up in other forums, those loudmouths have NOTHING to say!

Sorry, end rant. Just get tired of the misinformation!;)
 
shiryu0 said:
i dont think these are clunker numbers........... :cool:


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you gotta live in a nice flat hellhole like were i live at to pull those numbers though........:(





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You didnt have the A/C on :p

I drove 280 miles yesterday doing 75-85mph for 200 of them, 100 mph for 50 miles and about 25 miles in heavy Dallas traffic (20-25 mph). I also let the car idle for 20 minutes with the A/C on (I forgot I left the car runing) and averaged 24.2 MPG for the whole day.
While these numbers are not Hybrid good they are pretty damn good IMHO.
Hell my 96 Cobra averaged 26 all the time.
I love the Ford 4V engine!
 
agreed, my girlfriend has a 96 infinity G20 and was saying she got better milage around town 23mpg.....but she only gets 27 on the highway....but like I tell her ALL the time.....I get similar milage in a car almost twice the weight and 300+hp.....my car has power, style and size.....so keep your few mpg....gotta enjoy what you drive!
 
i cant wait till i get to blow some engines at work!!! theres 2 expeditions sitting out back, first one im just gonna drain everything and drop a brick on the gas pedal!

we were told (work) that after we blow the eng the car goes to a government yard, they pull the eng and crush it, then sell off the cars
 
ripped camel
you may have known how to budget but I personally know some people
who dont and they bought houses they couldnt afford so as soon as somthing went wrong they would fall behind even from something as small as an overdraft fee
 
slowmkviii said:
ripped camel
you may have known how to budget but I personally know some people
who dont and they bought houses they couldnt afford so as soon as somthing went wrong they would fall behind even from something as small as an overdraft fee
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True. There are the occasional dumbasses that are like that. I know a few, but the majority of those that I know are in the same boat as me, and spent conservatively just like me. If you ask me the economy is going to start tanking even faster next year because another wave of foreclosures and bankruptcies is coming. It's going to be a 10 year recession in my opinion.
 
The story that was told about taking advantage of this program is what is wrong with everything the Gov has done to address the current recession to date.

Understand I do not condemn the person in question for doing what they did, I am simply saying that when a person with three cars (two new) is being given 4500 of our dollars to 'upgrade his fleet', that we are all getting screwed.

However, if this was one of the only programs out there, I could get behind it. As it is, this is only 1billion being pissed into the recession, on top of the hundreds of billions we have already lost.

Rant off.
 
ok how about this in order to qualify the car has to be drivable
so why is the Gov. paying 4500 for a driving car then crushing it taking the car away from people who need the parts to keep there cars running cause they cant afford a new one or they could give the cars to family's in need like single parents who dont have good transportation
 
If the government gave me 4500, I guarantee I would buy some american made parts for my Mark. :D
 
slowmkviii said:
ok how about this in order to qualify the car has to be drivable
so why is the Gov. paying 4500 for a driving car then crushing it taking the car away from people who need the parts to keep there cars running cause they cant afford a new one or they could give the cars to family's in need like single parents who dont have good transportation
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The government only mandates that the engines be destroyed, so realistically the only pieces that we're losing are the internals, and frankly, I'd never install a set of junkyard pistons in a car. The clunkers are free to sit in the scrapyards, it's just that the yards are having to be selective about what they keep since they now have more inventory than space.

I venture a guess that the news report about hurting people who depend on junkyards blow it a bit out of proportion - in all honesty, very few people *need* junkyard parts to keep their cars on the road, especially when the chain auto parts stores are selling new parts for cheap (thanks to overseas production!).
 
luxuryrules said:
The government only mandates that the engines be destroyed, so realistically the only pieces that we're losing are the internals, and frankly, I'd never install a set of junkyard pistons in a car. The clunkers are free to sit in the scrapyards, it's just that the yards are having to be selective about what they keep since they now have more inventory than space.

I venture a guess that the news report about hurting people who depend on junkyards blow it a bit out of proportion - in all honesty, very few people *need* junkyard parts to keep their cars on the road, especially when the chain auto parts stores are selling new parts for cheap (thanks to overseas production!).
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I didnt know that they could let them stay in the junk yard here in MN the reported that they had to be crushed within 6 months
 
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