jtammerine
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anyone know if this will work in the LS considering our battery vents? Car audio is draining my current motorcraft battery haha..thanks
Optima yellow top!
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Yeah, pektel put one on his and used 2 tubes to vent it.
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=59165&highlight=Battery&page=2
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=59165&highlight=Battery&page=2
You want a RED TOP!!!! The yellow top is a marine battry designed for slow charge on a non-alternator system. I just had to replace the yellow top that was sold to me for a red top. The shop that I was dealing with was not happy with there employeee that sold me the wrong battery. Besides, the yellow top is over $200 and the red top is under $200.
FASTLLS
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But they have a blue marine battery???
I do understand what your saying and the vehicle that my dad just bought has a red top in it..
I should steal it and put it in my car.. HAHA
But they have a blue marine battery???
I do understand what your saying and the vehicle that my dad just bought has a red top in it..
I should steal it and put it in my car.. HAHAOnefreshls
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i have a red top in my ls and it works great deka has a gel battery to that will work great as well
xford
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What do you guys think of the DieHard Platinum #P-2? It has 930 CCA but heavy at 60 lbs...its currently $180 at Sears. If the bloggers are correct its an Oddessy battery which would cost $280 or so under lic.to Sears.
joegr
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Back to your actual problem...
Is your aftermarket audio draining the battery while the engine is running, or when it is off only?
If while it is running, then no battery is going to solve the problem. You need a higher output alternator, and probably heavier wiring.
If it is only an issue when the engine is off, then you do need more battery. It might be better to keep the stock battery and add a marine type battery that would have a high reserve rating. What you really need [for the stated problem] is a high reserve or Amp-hour rating, not a high CCA (Cold Cranking Amps).
Yes, I had went through 2 yellow top batteries. I had 2 of them in my trunk. 1 for starting and 1 for my jl audio system. I upgraded my alternator also. Well I was noticing that the yellow top that starts my car is the only one draining I took it back to auto zone and the guy asked me what was I using the battery for I told him to start my car while the other one is for my system he asked did i have a h/o alt i said yes, he said that the yellow top is not designed to take that 200 voltage the red top is. so now i have a red top to start my car and a yellow top for my system haven't had any problems since.
Bullschmidt
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I have that in my LS! Got it a few months back
Hi jtammerine, I noticed your original question and the subsequent replies and wanted to offer some assistance. Our BlueTop batteries are designed for marine applications, but as long as a battery fits properly (including venting provisions, if needed) and meets or exceeds OEM specs, any of our batteries can be used in automotive applications.
All Optimas with dark gray cases (all RedTops and the 34M BlueTop) are starting batteries, while all Optimas with light gray cases (all YellowTops and all BlueTops except the 34M) are true dual-purpose batteries, designed for both starting and deep-cycle applications.
If your vehicle has significant electrical upgrades or you like to run your stereo for long periods of time with the engine off, a battery designed for deep-cycle applications is appropriate. As joegr indicated, people shopping for batteries for such applications should focus more on reserve capacity than cranking amps. Even cold cranking amps are only a concern for folks who live in places where it gets cold.
nortyhat, Yellowtops can be charged with high output alternators. If you are running your dual batteries in parallel, they need to be the same age, size and type. If that is not the case, they need to be isolated from each other. Even though our batteries are sealed, it is important that any lead-acid battery has proper ventilation. ALL lead-acid batteries can vent gas. Traditional wet batteries do this immediately when recharged, since they are not sealed. Sealed lead-acid batteries like Optimas and all other “dry cell” AGM batteries have safety release valves that should only vent if they are seriously overcharged.
Under normal operating conditions, an AGM battery will not vent gas. Since alternators or chargers can fail, the safest and correct mounting method for trunks and passenger compartments is to make sure that any possible gas venting will escape to the outside of the vehicle. All vehicles with original equipment battery locations in trunks or passenger compartments will have a vent provision that should be used. Optima group 27, 51, 78, 34C, and 31 batteries all have ports for connecting a vent hose.
Although people do it anyway, we would never recommend installing an unvented battery in any enclosed space, because there’s a legitimate, albeit unlikely, safety risk involved.
For example, IF there is a voltage regulator failure, and IF the battery is severely overcharged, and IF this goes unnoticed, and IF the battery vents because the internal pressure exceeds the release pressure of the vents, the gasses are both flammable and toxic. This may sound like a lot of “ifs,” but attorneys and engineers get paid to plan for every worst-case scenario.
I did take a look at pektel’s installation and while his venting provisions may be better than nothing at all, we cannot know the effectiveness of it and cannot endorse or recommend his method. One of the issues with venting methods of this type is that the polypropylene container doesn’t bond to too many materials, so it’s hard to get a good seal. Diameter and tube-length is also an important consideration. The vents on pektel’s battery were never intended to be attached to a tube in that way.
If you have any other battery-related questions, I’ll do my best to answer them.
Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc.
www.facebook.com/optimabatteries
All Optimas with dark gray cases (all RedTops and the 34M BlueTop) are starting batteries, while all Optimas with light gray cases (all YellowTops and all BlueTops except the 34M) are true dual-purpose batteries, designed for both starting and deep-cycle applications.
If your vehicle has significant electrical upgrades or you like to run your stereo for long periods of time with the engine off, a battery designed for deep-cycle applications is appropriate. As joegr indicated, people shopping for batteries for such applications should focus more on reserve capacity than cranking amps. Even cold cranking amps are only a concern for folks who live in places where it gets cold.
nortyhat, Yellowtops can be charged with high output alternators. If you are running your dual batteries in parallel, they need to be the same age, size and type. If that is not the case, they need to be isolated from each other. Even though our batteries are sealed, it is important that any lead-acid battery has proper ventilation. ALL lead-acid batteries can vent gas. Traditional wet batteries do this immediately when recharged, since they are not sealed. Sealed lead-acid batteries like Optimas and all other “dry cell” AGM batteries have safety release valves that should only vent if they are seriously overcharged.
Under normal operating conditions, an AGM battery will not vent gas. Since alternators or chargers can fail, the safest and correct mounting method for trunks and passenger compartments is to make sure that any possible gas venting will escape to the outside of the vehicle. All vehicles with original equipment battery locations in trunks or passenger compartments will have a vent provision that should be used. Optima group 27, 51, 78, 34C, and 31 batteries all have ports for connecting a vent hose.
Although people do it anyway, we would never recommend installing an unvented battery in any enclosed space, because there’s a legitimate, albeit unlikely, safety risk involved.
For example, IF there is a voltage regulator failure, and IF the battery is severely overcharged, and IF this goes unnoticed, and IF the battery vents because the internal pressure exceeds the release pressure of the vents, the gasses are both flammable and toxic. This may sound like a lot of “ifs,” but attorneys and engineers get paid to plan for every worst-case scenario.
I did take a look at pektel’s installation and while his venting provisions may be better than nothing at all, we cannot know the effectiveness of it and cannot endorse or recommend his method. One of the issues with venting methods of this type is that the polypropylene container doesn’t bond to too many materials, so it’s hard to get a good seal. Diameter and tube-length is also an important consideration. The vents on pektel’s battery were never intended to be attached to a tube in that way.
If you have any other battery-related questions, I’ll do my best to answer them.
Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc.
www.facebook.com/optimabatteries
Jim, I used 100% silicone to seal the vents at the battery, and 2 part epoxy at the trunk floor. I wanted to use something semi-permanent, and could detach it at the battery if needed.
In my particular situation, there was no "ideal" method for me to vent the battery, so I made due with what I have available to me.
Maybe Optima should think about making a generic vent tube that will fit over those vents on the battery, so we don't have to rig something from plumbing parts? Might be a nice offering, instead of buying an entire case to put the battery in.
In my particular situation, there was no "ideal" method for me to vent the battery, so I made due with what I have available to me.
Maybe Optima should think about making a generic vent tube that will fit over those vents on the battery, so we don't have to rig something from plumbing parts? Might be a nice offering, instead of buying an entire case to put the battery in.
pektel, all lead-acid batteries can vent, so some form of venting provisions need to be incorporated into every lead-acid battery. The Optima batteries I previously mentioned (Groups 27, 51, 78, 34C & 31) are all specifically designed with vent ports for hoses. None of those batteries have venting provisions on the lids and the batteries that do have provisions on the lids (including yours) were not designed or intended to be connected to vent tubes in any way.
Although it may be unlikely that your battery will ever vent, the concern is legitimate enough that it warrants mentioning. Since we consider your installation to be a custom fitment, another alternative to installing a sealed and vented case in the trunk is to select one of the previously-mentioned batteries. These batteries can be properly-vented to the outside and depending on which one is chosen, may offer more cranking amps and reserve capacity.
Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc.
www.facebook.com/optimabatteries
Although it may be unlikely that your battery will ever vent, the concern is legitimate enough that it warrants mentioning. Since we consider your installation to be a custom fitment, another alternative to installing a sealed and vented case in the trunk is to select one of the previously-mentioned batteries. These batteries can be properly-vented to the outside and depending on which one is chosen, may offer more cranking amps and reserve capacity.
Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc.
www.facebook.com/optimabatteries
I was wondering the same thing.lol
1LoudLS
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where the F#*$ did the battery guy just come from, man has he missed a lot of threads...lol
welcome aboard Jim
way to go Pete, EPIC F*&$ing FAIL.
what are you some kind of terrorist, driving around with a bomb in your trunk
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Jim, you need to do something about this vented yellow top secret, i cant tell you how many times i talked to a sales rep (either a car parts guy or sound shop guy) and have never heard of one of these wonders.
call me crazy, but wouldn't it be easier if all the batteries had the vent tube, and if you application didn't need it you could just leave it off and it could vent under the hood.
welcome aboard Jim
way to go Pete, EPIC F*&$ing FAIL.
what are you some kind of terrorist, driving around with a bomb in your trunk
.Jim, you need to do something about this vented yellow top secret, i cant tell you how many times i talked to a sales rep (either a car parts guy or sound shop guy) and have never heard of one of these wonders.
call me crazy, but wouldn't it be easier if all the batteries had the vent tube, and if you application didn't need it you could just leave it off and it could vent under the hood.
Damn. Guess so! Although he does mention that a group 78 battery should have a place to hook up a vent tube. Mine is a 34/78. Oh well, I'll take my chances with something rather than nothing.
All the spec sheets that I've been reading say nothing about a hookup for a vent tube. Even on those model numbers you listed as having that provision.
I'm not disputing the fact that the provision for a vent tube may or may not be there. But to withhold that crucial information from consumers is pretty shady. If you notice, all of those specs show the same warning about overcharging, and flammable gases escaping from the battery. Way to look out for the personal safety of your customers.
Hey, I have an idea. How bout sending me one of the correct batteries, since there was no way to make an informed decision of the proper battery for my application?
All the spec sheets that I've been reading say nothing about a hookup for a vent tube. Even on those model numbers you listed as having that provision.
I'm not disputing the fact that the provision for a vent tube may or may not be there. But to withhold that crucial information from consumers is pretty shady. If you notice, all of those specs show the same warning about overcharging, and flammable gases escaping from the battery. Way to look out for the personal safety of your customers.
Hey, I have an idea. How bout sending me one of the correct batteries, since there was no way to make an informed decision of the proper battery for my application?
Thanks for the welcome guys. I’m just trying to help, so I apologize if my post came off as being troll-like, as that certainly wasn’t my intent. All lead-acid batteries can vent, so they will all have some provision for venting. Most batteries end up under the hood, so there isn’t a need to run a tube from those batteries. We do recognize that some applications do require a venting tube, so we do offer some batteries that can be vented with a tube. Pektel, I don’t think we’re trying to withhold any information on venting and I will certainly pass along your feedback on that issue.
Our group 78 battery is different than our Group 34/78 batteries and is only available in a RedTop. It is identifiable as only having side post terminals.
I would prefer not to even mention the Group 34C battery when I talk about venting, as I think that is also confusing for people. That battery was designed specifically for an OEM Jeep application and was only available through Chrysler dealers, but it would be incorrect to not mention it, on the chance someone happened to have one.
I’m on Power Tour right now and I do notice a lot of batteries mounted in trunks without any provisions for venting. Most of those folks will never have any issues, but I do want to make sure the information is out there, so folks can make an informed decision. We also offer a toll-free customer service number from 9-5 Central (888-8OPTIMA)
Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc.
www.facebook.com/optimabatteries
Our group 78 battery is different than our Group 34/78 batteries and is only available in a RedTop. It is identifiable as only having side post terminals.
I would prefer not to even mention the Group 34C battery when I talk about venting, as I think that is also confusing for people. That battery was designed specifically for an OEM Jeep application and was only available through Chrysler dealers, but it would be incorrect to not mention it, on the chance someone happened to have one.
I’m on Power Tour right now and I do notice a lot of batteries mounted in trunks without any provisions for venting. Most of those folks will never have any issues, but I do want to make sure the information is out there, so folks can make an informed decision. We also offer a toll-free customer service number from 9-5 Central (888-8OPTIMA)
Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc.
www.facebook.com/optimabatteries
JDS353
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thanks Jim great to see someone take the time to share their knowledge and help for free.jd
Andrizzle
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I was not calling you a troll, I was simply wondering if your specific job as an 'eCare Manager' is to put out correct information on vehicle forums and the like.
Basically is your job as cool as it seems here? haha
Basically is your job as cool as it seems here? haha
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jim has spider senses when it comes to batteries haha
My job is basically to be a pro-active customer service rep. Optima recognized that even though we offer a toll-free number, people often seek answers for questions on online forums and communities. I'm registered on several hundred message boards and do my best to answer questions as they come up, with a priority on safety-related issues.
As good as my "spider senses" might be, they're not perfect. If you guys happen to come across a thread that needs my attention, please don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks!
Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc.
www.facebook.com/optimabatteries
As good as my "spider senses" might be, they're not perfect. If you guys happen to come across a thread that needs my attention, please don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks!
Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc.
www.facebook.com/optimabatteries