Is this real bad or what?

there's nothing wrong with "money pits" as long as you realize thats what it "and plenty of other cars" are... thats why there are so many of us on here... Sure, we could all drive hondas, But whats the fun in that...

Cars come and go... Lifes to short not to enjoy!!!

She's beautiful by the way... Hope to see it up and running strong soon
 
Word! I have a Honda scooter and I needed something classy and nice I've owned my fair share of rust buckets. I'm 21 years old I'm suppose to have money pits haha.
 
Hey man now worries. That's a beautiful car and at $2800 a lot of car for the money even with its warts. Should you have to replace the heads in the future its good that you spotted the problem now as you have the luxury of being able to scout out a good deal. Check on ebay, the local junk yards, and members on here to see if there are some serviceable heads to be had on the cheap (should that even be the issue). As a fellow 21 year old I know how good it feels to be driving a car this classy after graduating from the junk "first car" years. God bless that old town car though, never changed the oil, mangled the transmission, backed into curbs and poles and signs, left it in the desert sun all day every day and crashed it THREE TIMES before it finally gave up the ghost. The LS is my baby though.
 
I think water got in there and you started to develop aluminum oxide, then oil also started to go in as well, mixing up the color.

Unfortunately you don't have a picture of it before it got sprayed with PB. But if you look at your picture at message 22 the valve cover bolt is rusted. That usually never happens under the coil cover unless water has seeped in. #8 being at the back and lowest point on the engine valve cover would be where water would pool.

I would take some straight sections of clothes hanger wire and run it around the plug trying to break it up, then use a vac to suck out the debris as you go along.
 
I'm fairly certain the first pic in the thread is before PB
Oil is known to develop a "creamy coffee" color when water seeps in from a cooling system leak though.
 
Yeah first picture in the thread is before putting anything in the well. It comes out in a muddy sandy texture crap so I don't understand how it could be an epoxy. I am just hesitant to take it out and have the possibility of stripped plug threads not being able to fix that right now. I was wondering why that bolt was so corroded. Also one of the bolts for that little cover over the coils was missing maybe water was getting in over there...it coincidentally was the bolt right above that coil as well.
 
...it coincidentally was the bolt right above that coil as well.

Does (or did) that COP sit down all the way over the plug? Maybe they left that bolt off because they couldn't get the coil fully seated after they put whatever they put in there?

It may not be epoxy, but the clues point to it being something someone put in there on purpose. If you are lucky, it was just a crazy attempt to stop the oil leak. If you are not lucky, it was a crazy attempt to deal with a stripped out spark plug hole.
 
I still ask the same question. Do the other wells look the same or just this one?
 
The bolt I speak of us for the plate that goes over all the coils. Not the one for the actual coil itself.

What's a katrina car? This car is from Illinois only.


Okay I decided to take some pictures of the coil and well to the left of cylinder 8 to show you guys the difference. There was the same amount of oil in each one, very little. None pooled at the bottom in either one just a little up towards the o-rings. Look how discolored cylinder 8 is compared to the other one. The other well does NOT have that stuff at the bottom.

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The bolt I speak of us for the plate that goes over all the coils. Not the one for the actual coil itself...

Oh.

It might have been left off just because it was a pain to get to. This may also be why water made it into that side.
 
well i say keep trying to dig it out... and see if the plug unscrews or not... although this might leave you without a car for a couple days
 
That is clearly a rusty color I mean each boot had the same amount of oil on them and one looks fine and one looks rusted. The missing element has to be water yeah? Which if water gets into the well it would cause corrosion especially when theres a charge involved. I'm feeling like I have a leak in that cover instead of a plug that is stripped.
 
well i say keep trying to dig it out... and see if the plug unscrews or not... although this might leave you without a car for a couple days

Warning: Get all loose particles out before unscrewing the plug. Repeat the particle removal process after each turn of the plug. Letting anything "sandy"
get down into the cylinder could be very bad.
 
What's the best way to get that stuff out? I don't have a vacuum. I could get my hands on a compressor I'd imagine. I've been doing it the hard way... rags and qtips. Obviously not going to work well enough if I get that thing to turn.
 
you can get your hands on a compressor but not a vacuum... Ahhh the single life..... Do/ use whatever it takes to make sure it doesn't go down.....
 
GOOD NEWS. Socket is gripping the plug now. It's almost degunked. Im soaking it one more time in PB to try and get some of those particles floating in it. And to see whats going on a little better.
 
If you don't have a vacuum or compressed air, you may be able to wash the junk out with a water hose (then use a rag/sponge/paper towel to dry it out).
Just dipping a rag down into the well is not going to get it all out.
 
Well, I've done something similar before on marine engines. It's a different color but basically the salt water gets into the plug wells, gets dried out by the heat and basically kind of electro-plates itself to everything from the electricity. Usually the result of a leaking/cracked exhaust manifold. Anyways, that's neither here nor there.

What I had to do was get a long skinny drill bit, a compressor with a blow-gun that had an extended nozzle on it (to get down in the well), a penetrating fluid, drill, and an angled pick. Safety glasses are nice too, along with a rag. But to each their own.

What you do is go to a well that is good, put the drill bit down into the well till it hits bottom, and using a piece of colored tape wrap it around the top of the drill bit so it lines up with the top of the valve cover. You have just made a depth-guage on the bit. You know if you drill down to where the tape hits the valve cover, you are drilling into the head. Go ahead and chuck the bit up into a low-speed drill, preferably a light-weight one so you won't get tired since this will take a long time to do. I would guess an 1/8" or smaller bit, but you will need to find one that is 6" long or so. Just get whatever is cheap. You are basically going to destroy the drill from a quality/precision standpoint so there's no need to get anything special.

Here is what you want to do. First flood the surface with your penetrating fluid. Don't need to fill the well, just make sure the surface is covered all the way around. Using the drill, drill into the stuff about 1/4" or so, then move over and drill another 1/4" deep hole next to it. Keep doing this all the way around the plug until you end up back where you started. Try to keep the space between the holes as close as possible. If you can actually drill one hole easily into the last one then it will be quicker and easier. Now take your pick and see if you can knock the wall between the holes out. If you can you will end up with what looks like a groove all the way around. Now take the blow gun and blows all the loose/dirty crap out of the well. Put a rag over the well when you blow it out to capture most of the scarf, and glasses will help you look in the well while blowing it out. If you start on the low-side of the plug, you can just spray in your penetrating fluid as you go. that way you always have a clear view of where/what you are drilling.

Once you get within a 1/4" or so of the bottom of the head, you want to go very slowly. The best option is trying to crack/shatter the last bit so you can pull it out without drilling it. You can also try breaking the plug loose as that will sometimes crack it all up. Make sure all the penetrating fluid and garbage is blown out first. Just stop if it doesn't start to move with a normal amount of force. Try breaking the non-corroded plugs loose to figure out what normal force feels like. DO NOT remove the plug if the well is full of crap! If you can get the plug to break free, screw it back in and blow the well out really good. Once you are sure there's no loose crap in the well, you can take the plug out and use a plastic cap or bolt or cork or something to cover the hole and give you more room to work the rest of the garbage out.


Now, for the disclaimer. You can seriously damage everything by doing this. If you get impatient, and go hercules on the drill, you can drill through your valve cover, head, etc. If you are impatient with the cleaning part, you can end up flooding your engine with whatever this grainy crap is and penetrating fluid. If you aren't lining up the drill right, you can destroy your gasket surfaces guarantee'ing you will need to swap the head (and probably covers).

But, that is an option and will work if you are very careful. If it is not oxidization and really a resin/epoxy then this might be more difficult.
 
I'd be a little afraid if water is getting up into the coil cover and into the coil well. That shouldn't happen.
 
most of it came out with the coat hanger, i just need to clean it effectively and safely. no need for a drill thank god
 
most of it came out with the coat hanger, i just need to clean it effectively and safely. no need for a drill thank god

That's good. The drill bit is usually the hail-mary option. When you know all other options are off the table :)

If you had a plastic cap or cork you could shove into the spark plug hole it would make cleaning it out easier. Just clean it good enough to pull the plug, cover the hole good, and clean the rest out.
 

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