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Jesus Christ is the SON of GOD & promises you eternal life if

you simply believe HIM.

He promised to also heal your body.
(Just ask Him)
 
I bow to no one regarding a belief in God. And accepting Jesus word is the cornerstone thereof.

That being said, there is NO promise to heal the body.

KS
 
Let's see---

Are we talking about the Jeff Burroughs who used to try to hit a ball with a stick, or perhaps the Jeff Burroughs who asked me for 'spare change' as I crossed Cass Park in downtown Detroit the other day?

KS
 
If it's the Cass Park Jeff Burroughs you just THOUGHT he said something regarding science. He's actually a burnt-out husk that can't really put a coherent sentence together. Your statement is probably just wishful thinking on your part. Or perhaps you also suffer from burnt-out synapses.

KS
 
Hey worm---

On that particular point I'd almost think you'd agree with me. But your comprehension level must hover in the lower 70s along with your IQ. Pseudo-sophistication is obviously about as far as you ever get.

Your eternal whinging makes you the troll.

KS
 
You are obviously deficient in the extent of your vocabulary or perhaps simply your comprehension. Google is your friend---or use a dictionary. Look up whinge.

KS
 
Simply, inquiring minds want to know. Since you put it out there, it's obvious you want to have dialogue about it.
 
hrmwrm said:
well, try this one then.
"Religion is an advertising campaign for a product that doesn't exist."
Clive James
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Well, let's see. One more time, there's a 'Clive' James that shares a park bench with Jeff Burroughs. They often share something in a paper bag they pass back and forth.

Or perhaps you refer to the 'Clive' James who seems to have had a gender-based personal identification crisis based on his(?) given name of Vivian.

He's the sort of nitwit you might well turn to since you both seem to be so determined to look at things from the pinko, leftist, commie, socialist, progressive direction. You remind me of a second-grader on the school playfield with his fingers in his ears, loudly broadcasting, 'la-la-la-la-la-la-la' so as not to seem to hear truths he desperately wants to avoid.

Even here in September I'll still wish you, 'Merry Christmas!'

KS
 
All translations of the Bible are full of truths since an accepted definition of truth is 'fact'. The Bible is, among other things, a historical document. Other writers from the times covered in the Bible state the same things, so 'TRUTH' is evident.

If you reject the concept of the 'Leap of Faith', it's another matter. And that would be on you.

I really do wish you well.

KS
 
You really do need to examine the concept of the 'Leap of Faith'. Kierkegaard's writings may be of help if you truly are interested in discovery. On the other hand, I've seen no sign, from you, of anything other than the noise of a small malignancy chittering somewhere in the background.

In any case I wish you well.

KS
 
hrmwrm said:
i understand the concept of leap of faith, but i don't see the point. (at least as it regards religion)
although i do take a "leap of faith" in many things that i believe are right. right after i have found the evidence necessary to make that leap.

i'll take it from that that you have been trying to proselytize me over just discussing.
in any case, i wish you well as well. when you're willing to remove yourself for a bit from your religious conviction and look in from outside, then we can have a discussion.
til then, be happy with your "truths".
i'll stick to factual, evidence based truths. (you know, the real truth. defensible, proven)


everything i've said and you think i want to discover religion? philosophy without evidence IS theology.
philosophy with evidence is science.
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Far be it from me to attempt to persuade you in any direction against your will. I've found that it's only likely to make you dig in your heels to an even greater extent.

I DO note with a certain degree of wry amusement that those most vociferous in their rejection are often those closest to an epiphany. I truly hope that you come to such a realization.

KS
 
God said, "I Am". I could go on at great length concerning this, but it'll be better if you research for yourself. You might start with Exodus 3: 13-15

KS
 
" ---from the beginning, I AM".

You are so determined to be autonomous you simply have a closed mind.

I wish you well.

KS
 
The essence of faith is that you must make the leap. Your unwillingness to accept possibilities is at the heart of our disagreement. I don't pretend to have all the answers. What I DO know is this:

If what I believe was to turn out to be inaccurate in any significant way, I'll simply have lived a life in which I tried to do the best I could. With God's help.
If you reject God and I turn out to be right, you're lost forever.

'Agnostic' as it's often defined is saying that it's not possible to know.
Agnostic comes from 'Gnostic', One who knows.
I define myself, in some very real ways as 'not knowing' which is quite different than the above, and therefore I strive every day to know a little more. That's, to me, a much more accurate definition of agnostic.

When one is willing to accept help and guidance one has a much greater chance of making it through, no matter what the topic of conversation might be.

I wish you well.

Ken
 
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Because you don't know, you reject? The very definition of faith is to accept without any necessity for proof.

You demand evidence of my belief---I simply state that I believe.

I'm puzzled about your reference to 'tomes'. A 'tome' is a book, by definition. There are, and have been, a plethora of men who have gone to the uttermost outer fringes instead of simply accepting, 'I Am'. And some of them have written books.

If I'm wrong, I've had a good life. If you're wrong you'll have all eternity to wish you'd bowed your head instead of offering raucous defiance.

I wish you well.

KS
 
Worm, I may well be twice your age; I know about aging. And my beliefs, although maturing, haven't changed significantly since I was 18 years old. What keeps me believing is 'the wonder of it all'.

I'm sure we'll continue to go on about this.

KS
 
Just as you can't see the wind but you can see the effects, so, if you accept the possibilities, you can 'see' God. Some people (you?) will go to the outermost limits of unreasonableness to avoid acknowledgement.

C. S. Lewis said something along the line of, "When I was an Atheist, there were times when believing made perfect sense. And now that I'm a believer there times when my belief seems very unlikely."

The Good Book talks of 'faith as a grain of mustard seed'. I've looked and a grain of mustard seed is almost infinitesimally small. I can, even at my lowest, muster that much. I'd wish the same for you.

KS
 
Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Your reply is meaningless noise as a response to my last comment.

God loves you anyway.

KS
 
hrmwrm said:
..... edit: one final thing. if there is only 1 true god, why are there so many tomes?
some are similar, but some are very different. i'd think if there were 1 TRUE god, there would only be 1 true story. not thousands.
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I have a better question for you: If there is only ONE true god, why are all religions prior to Abraham POLYthiestic? It was not 'til Abraham decided to invent his own god that monotheism was ever heard of.
 
If one goes back far enough, it was common for a big rock or the ocean to be thought divine. Then the local chief declared himself to be a god.

What does all that have to do with anything? The One God created it all.

KS
 
stupid adjective stu·pid \ˈstü-pəd, ˈstyü-\
: not intelligent : having or showing a lack of ability to learn and understand things
: not sensible or logical

unlearned adjective un·learned \-ˈlər-nəd for 1, 2, -ˈlərnd for 3\
: possessing inadequate learning or education; especially : deficient in scholarly attainments

ignorant adjective ig·no·rant \ˈig-n(ə-)rənt\
: One capable of learning and has the material to learn but refuses to do so.
Base word: ignore
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Some people would rather would rather believe a book written by a biased international committee, at the behest of an atheist, over the course of 300 years, beginning 700 years after the most recent events in said book and translated from 3 dead languages, than believe one page of any of 1000 books based on solid evidence and cold hard facts.

Which definition would you say that falls under?
 
Of course, when it comes right down to it....

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