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    Puales22 New LVC Member

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    Jesus Christ is the SON of GOD & promises you eternal life if

    you simply believe HIM.

    He promised to also heal your body.
    (Just ask Him)
     
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    I bow to no one regarding a belief in God. And accepting Jesus word is the cornerstone thereof.

    That being said, there is NO promise to heal the body.

    KS
     
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    fossten?
     
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    Let's see---

    Are we talking about the Jeff Burroughs who used to try to hit a ball with a stick, or perhaps the Jeff Burroughs who asked me for 'spare change' as I crossed Cass Park in downtown Detroit the other day?

    KS
     
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    because if it comes from a guy asking for spare change, it makes it less pertinent?
     
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    If it's the Cass Park Jeff Burroughs you just THOUGHT he said something regarding science. He's actually a burnt-out husk that can't really put a coherent sentence together. Your statement is probably just wishful thinking on your part. Or perhaps you also suffer from burnt-out synapses.

    KS
     
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    pics of hydroboost ? hahahahahahaha ;)
     
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    which statement?
    industrialization is science, not holding imaginary friends in high regard.
    so, as i said, the quote is less pertinent?
    no, i'd say it's dead on.
     
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    Do you often speak after a sleepless night?

    Your maunderings would suggest so!

    KS
     
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    wondered the same of you with that jabber that started it.
    just a meaningless question i regret answering.
    i should have remembered don't feed the trolls. ;)
     
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    Hey worm---

    On that particular point I'd almost think you'd agree with me. But your comprehension level must hover in the lower 70s along with your IQ. Pseudo-sophistication is obviously about as far as you ever get.

    Your eternal whinging makes you the troll.

    KS
     
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    whinging? wow. dictionary?
    re-read post 4 and tell me about whinging. troll.
    just for you ks.
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    You are obviously deficient in the extent of your vocabulary or perhaps simply your comprehension. Google is your friend---or use a dictionary. Look up whinge.

    KS
     
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    post 4 qualifies, since it's about my signature and not the threads topic.

    i don't really feel you were posing a question as much as a taunt.
     
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    Simply, inquiring minds want to know. Since you put it out there, it's obvious you want to have dialogue about it.
     
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    well, try this one then.
    "Religion is an advertising campaign for a product that doesn't exist."
    Clive James
     
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    Well, let's see. One more time, there's a 'Clive' James that shares a park bench with Jeff Burroughs. They often share something in a paper bag they pass back and forth.

    Or perhaps you refer to the 'Clive' James who seems to have had a gender-based personal identification crisis based on his(?) given name of Vivian.

    He's the sort of nitwit you might well turn to since you both seem to be so determined to look at things from the pinko, leftist, commie, socialist, progressive direction. You remind me of a second-grader on the school playfield with his fingers in his ears, loudly broadcasting, 'la-la-la-la-la-la-la' so as not to seem to hear truths he desperately wants to avoid.

    Even here in September I'll still wish you, 'Merry Christmas!'

    KS
     
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    non sequitur

    KS
     
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    well, i thought your original complaint was with that quote. so i just put up another you could judge. and you exceeded splendidly.
    get out your kjv and show me a truth. i'm not afraid of truth. i just have a problem with myth that poses as truth.
    and i'll wish you "Merry Christmas" too. or hannukah, or happy holidays.
    i just like to enjoy life. it's short then it's over.
     
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    All translations of the Bible are full of truths since an accepted definition of truth is 'fact'. The Bible is, among other things, a historical document. Other writers from the times covered in the Bible state the same things, so 'TRUTH' is evident.

    If you reject the concept of the 'Leap of Faith', it's another matter. And that would be on you.

    I really do wish you well.

    KS
     
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    just because the stories have overlapping parts doesn't make them true. have you heard of evidence? you know, something that makes you believe the words are factual?
    2 people corroborating a lie doesn't make it a truth.
    if i believe all the bs stories, then your president is a muslim. but that is just one small groups story, and hardly significant in the world. but because they believe it, it's truth?
    even if a lie is believed by millions, it is still not a truth.

    if you remove science, GOD is still not the definitive answer either. after all, you have to decide which one( if there was 1 god, all should believe the same, yet they don't.)
    nor does god answer creation. his/her/it's creation has no answer. the universe can't come from nothing, but GOD can.(to me, this is the biggest problem of the god story. where did this being come from.)
    i have faith in the natural order which is apparent. i get up in the morning and swing my legs out of bed, i'm pretty sure there will be a floor for my feet to meet. it takes no superstitious nonsense to come to this conclusion.
    it is something that happens daily and continually. no magic needed.
    sorry. i just don't see god in any form being the answer. even the hindu's believe creation is something else of it's own. the "gods" came later.
    at least they have the good sense to realize, we just don't know. and will probably never completely know.
     
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    You really do need to examine the concept of the 'Leap of Faith'. Kierkegaard's writings may be of help if you truly are interested in discovery. On the other hand, I've seen no sign, from you, of anything other than the noise of a small malignancy chittering somewhere in the background.

    In any case I wish you well.

    KS
     
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    i understand the concept of leap of faith, but i don't see the point. (at least as it regards religion)
    although i do take a "leap of faith" in many things that i believe are right. right after i have found the evidence necessary to make that leap.
    i'll take it from that that you have been trying to proselytize me over just discussing.
    in any case, i wish you well as well. when you're willing to remove yourself for a bit from your religious conviction and look in from outside, then we can have a discussion.
    til then, be happy with your "truths".
    i'll stick to factual, evidence based truths. (you know, the real truth. defensible, proven)

    everything i've said and you think i want to discover religion? philosophy without evidence IS theology.
    philosophy with evidence is science.
     
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    Far be it from me to attempt to persuade you in any direction against your will. I've found that it's only likely to make you dig in your heels to an even greater extent.

    I DO note with a certain degree of wry amusement that those most vociferous in their rejection are often those closest to an epiphany. I truly hope that you come to such a realization.

    KS
     
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    i have the same sentiment about you KS. i truly hope you come to your senses. if not, then answer the question i posed before.
    if nothing comes from nothing, and god created all, where did god come from?
    the very thing you believe has no basis in reality. it breaks the religious rule of nothing from nothing. or, at least, that is what all the religious tell me.
    if it's a given and obvious that god exists, you should have no problem finding the evidence to prove it.
    otherwise, it's still, nobody knows.
     

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