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Some funny talk in the mks thread. Thought you LS guys would want to see this. Yes a member flat out called our LS cars "Mario Kart go karts"

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?p=2037282067#post2037282067

Yes I made a rap defending our cars. =D

Heres the contender:

True story, my buddy just bought an LS last year after riding in my Mark VIII. What a mistake that was. He's dumped $3000 into that car already and it doesn't perform any better. The car is actually at the mechanic right now broken AGAIN. I will retire my car when it decides to retire, and at over 155,000 miles and no real issues other than the airride (duh, it fails) I am still blasting 7,000 rpm shift points on this car. I don't need an update. I drive one and it actually has an intake that's not plastic. :rolleyes: And big deal if the new 5.0s run 12s. They also have more rwhp than I do and I can guarantee I am not far from 12s now if not there already. April 20th I'll show you on here with videos what a real Lincoln is. You live in a fantasy world if you think the LS is better than the Mark8. Yup, I said it. I would never in a million years even consider one. I might take the corners a little slower, but that doesn't matter because I'll kill you on the straights.

Come at me bro. LOL

Spring 2013 WOT run - YouTube

And if you haven't noticed, I'm not like Chris. I don't care about you or your LS. Have fun with your underpowered go-kart Mario. Notice how you didn't suggest updating to an LS. Maybe you have the wrong car too there grasshopper. We're in this together old buddy old pal. :rolleyes:

They should really call this forum MarkVIII vs Cadillac vs LS :rolleyes:

Yeah, you've seen Civics in the 8s. Way to try and "1-up" me. There is only a small handful of those cars around and I bet you weren't watching from the fenceline like I was. You probably went on youtube just to make sure you could back up that claim just so you had a rebuttal. :rolleyes:

LET THE BUTTHURT FLOW! :D
 
And here's where instead of chirping him, I rap battled haha

EPIC RAP BATTLE

Your buddy spent 3 grand making a repair? 2 Grand on your car, to try and make it fair ;) Your car has an air ride? Ain't that Fun. It drives really soft, great for Grandma's wrinkled Buns.

So your Mark's MODS can run a Quarter mile quickly! Your insults make everyone on this forum so sickly. You praise a 4.6 like its da real shyt, yet Ford canned your sorry a$$ to make 5.0 Mustangs Rip!

You think your 90's rust machine is good enough for me? I wouldn't drive that thing even if it were free!
4.6 Mark 8's asses need a kickin, Give more tea bags than Lipton.
So why don't you quit your bichin, my LS's Gas pedal's itching!

YOU MAD BRO

5.0 better than 4.6.jpg
 
Honestly I think stuff like this is stupid. It's comparing apples to oranges. They're both good in their designed intentions and should be left at that. I'm personally a fan of them both.
 
Both cars have their issues. One has a cooling system that goes to **** and the other gets slammed to the ground.

When you buy a mistreated car, you get what you get. Mark owners are just cheap, and cant put down the money for an LS in decent condition. And if they can, they have too much pride and refuse to let go of the 90's. Both cars are aging fast. But the LS is still way ahead.
 
Drive what you want. That's my philosophy. The Mark8's definitely have it made in aftermarket though. Not because of anything that the Mark 8 has really accomplished, but because of the Mustang.
 
Both cars have their issues. One has a cooling system that goes to **** and the other gets slammed to the ground.

When you buy a mistreated car, you get what you get. Mark owners are just cheap, and cant put down the money for an LS in decent condition. And if they can, they have too much pride and refuse to let go of the 90's. Both cars are aging fast. But the LS is still way ahead.



I could put half down on a new gt right now, will I? No. My car does its job and does it well. Some of us don't feel the need to go out and waste money when its not needed. Both sides have bought the car they chose for their own reasons.

Quite acting like the LS is gods gift to humanity, it's still a 7-13 year old car.
 
Drive what you want. That's my philosophy. The Mark8's definitely have it made in aftermarket though. Not because of anything that the Mark 8 has really accomplished, but because of the Mustang.

Problem is the engine that is in the LS - 3.9 V8 is only found in one other car. The 4.6 V8 is found in almost every v8 Ford or Mercury made... of course there will be a greater aftermarket as the desire is greater to mod it. As shown in the one post about the guy who made an 800 WHP LS, it is POSSIBLE, but not cost efficient because it cannot be adapted to other vehicles.
 
Drive what you want. That's my philosophy. The Mark8's definitely have it made in aftermarket though. Not because of anything that the Mark 8 has really accomplished, but because of the Mustang.

Problem is the engine that is in the LS - 3.9 V8 is only found in one other car. The 4.6 V8 is found in almost every v8 Ford or Mercury made... of course there will be a greater aftermarket as the desire is greater to mod it. As shown in the one post about the guy who made an 800 WHP LS, it is POSSIBLE, but not cost efficient because it cannot be adapted to other vehicles.

Educate yourselves on 4.6l engines.
 
I could put half down on a new gt right now, will I? No. My car does its job and does it well. Some of us don't feel the need to go out and waste money when its not needed. Both sides have bought the car they chose for their own reasons.

Quite acting like the LS is gods gift to humanity, it's still a 7-13 year old car.

Ouch truth hurts doesn't it? And how old is the mark again?

But most of you guys act like pricks, and are used to paying just a few grand for a mark. That same amount of money will get a junkyard quality LS in most cases.

And this comes up because we continue to bring up the bashing/hate in multiple threads. And a select few on the other side act holier than thou with the damn mark.

I haven't driven my LS is awhile actually. Having too much fun with my other Ford.

Educate yourselves on 4.6l engines.

Its a common Ford engine, what about it? Yes we know the mark had it first....lets move away from 1994.
 
I'd prefer the 4.6 but the 3.9 does fine. The smush blob looks of the Mark keep me from liking it.

I like argument threads cept when people start typing out essay, then they get boring.
 
Problem is the engine that is in the LS - 3.9 V8 is only found in one other car.

Yes, I know this. I was just stating that the success of the 4.6L engine has more to do with Ford shoving them into the Mustang and F150 then it has to do with being in a Lincoln.

Educate yourselves on 4.6l engines.

Yes yes, the 4.6L came in the Lincoln first. The Lincoln brand has very little to do with the succesful aftermarket that is available for the 4.6L. The Mustang and F150 has almost everything to do with the 4.6L aftermarket.

Or are you trying to say that if the 4.6L was a one-off engine only sold in the Mark 8's that somehow there would still be a huge aftermarket for it?
 
I'd prefer the 4.6 but the 3.9 does fine. The smush blob looks of the Mark keep me from liking it.

Ouch.

Yeah the LS has some beautiful body lines, same as with my recent acquisition of the Mark LT. The fronts look so damn good compared to all these other Lincolns.

Its either baleen whale, or smush blob. Ive noticed that a lot of mark owners talk about the engine, but ignore the styling or appearance of the vehicle. I didn't buy my car with plans to modify or boost the engine, i bought it for the looks/features which are years ahead of the mark and still up to date with current cars. It was also affordable, only 4 years old and 35K less than it would have cost new.

How many fords in 2003 came with xenons as an option...or parking assist?

And our tiny V8 puts out almost the same crank horsepower as the 4 valve cobra block. But its a piece of crap right?
 
Ouch truth hurts doesn't it? And hold old is the mark again?

But most of you guys act like pricks, and are used to paying just a few grand for a mark. That same amount of money will get a junkyard quality LS in most cases.

And this comes up because we continue to bring up the bashing/hate in multiple threads. And a select few on the other side act holier than thou with the damn mark.

I haven't driven my LS is awhile actually. Having too much fun with my other Ford.



Its a common Ford engine, what about it? Yes we know the mark had it first....lets move away from 1994.

You are so full of yourself.

Yeah the mark had it first, that's not what I was talking about you tool. I was referring to the different variations of the 4.6l.

I don't mind having a civil conversation with other ls members, but every time the two are talked about you feel the need to degrade Mark viii owners. You need to realize that you're no one special.

Enjoy your thread gentlemen.
 
You are so full of yourself.

Yeah the mark had it first, that's not what I was talking about you tool. I was referring to the different variations of the 4.6l.

I don't mind having a civil conversation with other ls members, but every time the two are talked about you feel the need to degrade Mark viii owners. You need to realize that you're no one special.

No ****, because nobody here knows about Ford Modular motors. Of course, all we know is the LS. Its all we have ever driven. We dont know about the different heads, no friggin idea huh.

Im not degrading anyone. No need to take things personal. You are entitled to your opinions just like i am entitled to mine.

Mark owners come over here and talk chit all the time. Moment someone from here replies, its degrading. You must want an LS deep down but cant admit it....or maybe you're just bored and feel like talking chit. Ive read in several threads that reasons people buy marks is because they are cheap to purchase, and parts cars can be had for very little.

Makes perfect sense to me, but i chose not to drive one because its not my style and somewhat fugly. Sorry to be blunt.

You chose to open this thread, nobody forced you to post in it.
 
I've been a car enthusiast for about as long as I can remember. Not a ford enthusiast, or a Lincoln, or a Jeep, or a BMW. A Car. If you're seriously into this cars you know that each one is different and to be appreciated for their own unique traits.

With that being said what usually attracts me most to a certain car is rarity, and I don't mean like a Ferrari P4/5. I am a modest man, with a modest budget, but excellent and rare cars exist in almost any automotive facet that you are looking for. The LS is a prime example of this. Did it set any records? No. Did it cost a billion dollars. No. Most importantly, is any Joe off the street going to know what unholy example of excellent automotive work they just saw when they see Bullschmidt's LS? Most likely not. I see LS's weekly that you can tell, the owner has no idea what they are driving. A car that won motortrends 2000 car of the year is now beater duty for some smoking trashy mother in my neighborhood.

If you wanted a sporty, not quite full size 4 door car in the early 2000's their were a plethora of choices. Almost none of them were as non typical as the LS. Never before had Lincoln seriously chose to participate in that market, and most BMW 3 series potential buyers never even glanced at the Lincoln dealership. Hell, they honestly probably thought no cars that fit their needs were even produced by Lincoln.

As BlackLS06 put it earlier, some rouge car guy was actually making decisions at Lincoln that were good for a car, and not necessarily a car company. Park Assist, Xenons. Clearly this car was ahead of it's game. Most companies were falling in love with the FWD and afterthought suspension in order to save money. The LS was bucking the trend. Yet a few years later and the sportier handling and better dynamics begin to make a comeback with cars like the 300C, GTO, G8, CTS-V.

Even more so, when friends of mine talk to me about my car the whole damn thing is interesting. A 3.9 I tell them which usually gets returned with "What the hell....since when does Ford make a 3.9". Rarity. Some other car enthusaists don't even know what I am driving. My neighbor drives a 2012 Dodge Challenger SRT8. He constantly is asking me questions about my car. He sill is in disbelief that the panels are aluminum.

It's a stout little engine, but it's limited. Plenty decent for 2000-2006 but as time has went on the available horsepower in typical family cars has really been similar to the Cold War arms race. It's not setting any records, and you shouldn't try to break any with it. However, rarely am I left wanting more on spirited day to day driving.

With all that being said, I don't know a lot about the Marks. What I do know is that I rarely ever see one but when I do, someone is usually taken care of it. It has distinct styling, not the best but it is all it's own and much much better than most typical cars. Air suspension? Right on I suppose, but I hear maintenance can be a PITA. Point being, it is a car. It is its own thing, it is different. It has it's own sets of strengths and weaknesses that form a unique car that was passed up by many, yet remembered, and maintained well after the fact by a few that really appreciate the car for what it is.


At the end of the day, we both drive excellent examples of truly unique cars, that like I mentioned before, the general non caring populace would not even give a second glance at. However, when I see a Mark or an LS, that you can tell somebody loves and takes care of, it's pleasant, and I utilize that time to appreciate it, for what it is.

Point being, we're all car guys here. We all are passionate about cars, and were all smart enough to not conform to the sub 20k econobox, FWD appliances as of late. My girl drives a newer civic, and I refer to it as a toaster. It is completely unexciting and only exists to serve one purpose. To move me and others and some stuff with as little gas consumption as possible. If it died I wouldn't be upset about it, I would be upset about the impact not having a second car would do to me and my girl, but replacing it would be an emotionless affair.

If my LS died, I would be sad. It exists to transport me and others and stuff but it does use a lot of gas, it's not the fastest, it has flaws but that's okay. Why? Because it's a car that gets you excited, that you enjoy, that makes your life a little better vs than if you simply drove something else. It's yours, it's non typical, and it's special. This all applies to the Mark and it's owners as well.

We'd all rather drive a discontinued car, with limited part availability, horrible gas mileage, and outdated performance, because that car is unique, its different, it's cool. It won't be long before our vehicles are strictly relics, only to be googled by the most stern of automotive enthusiasts and we will have all moved on.

But we choose too, because the car is worth it.
 
our tiny V8 puts out almost the same crank horsepower as the 4 valve cobra block. But its a piece of crap right?

pretty much. especially if you compare the two engines from 03 or 04.

its a decade newer, it better make close to the same from being smaller. kinda like how everybody else is now making more power than that with two less cylinders and even less displacement
 
Ouch truth hurts doesn't it? And how old is the mark again?

But most of you guys act like pricks, and are used to paying just a few grand for a mark. That same amount of money will get a junkyard quality LS in most cases.

And this comes up because we continue to bring up the bashing/hate in multiple threads. And a select few on the other side act holier than thou with the damn mark.
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Mark owners come over here and talk chit all the time. Moment someone from here replies, its degrading. You must want an LS deep down but cant admit it....or maybe you're just bored and feel like talking chit. Ive read in several threads that reasons people buy marks is because they are cheap to purchase, and parts cars can be had for very little.

Makes perfect sense to me, but i chose not to drive one because its not my style and somewhat fugly. Sorry to be blunt.
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LMAO!!! WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!

:bow:
 
My silver car is on coils. I bet it wouldn't do too shabby at all on 18" wheels and tires. My blown car handles better than you expect, sensor-lowered on 18" speedstars with an ADDCO out back. Compared to a Miata, no thanks. Compared to an LS, try me.

So, I didn't discredit anything. MarkVIII>LS. End of story. The LS cars sucks ass. Get over it. My cars are older and better and you or anyone else will never be able to convince me otherwise. Sorry! LOL

This guy has done a shyt ton of mods to his Mark 8. I dont know anything about the Mark suspension, can it corner better than the LS with basic mods?

prbly not
 
you guys are all retarded, both cars are outdated, slow, problematic, and have less options that half the econoboxes you can buy for 16k new...

I love my car, but I would never buy it again.

both sides need to shut up about their cars, if you were arguing your f40 is better than a countach, there would be a real argument ( the f40 wins by the way) but you are arguing over which pile of **** smells just a tab better.

you both lose
 
Mark owners are just cheap, and cant put down the money for an LS in decent condition.

Im not degrading anyone.

Hmm, okay.

Ouch.

Yeah the LS has some beautiful body lines, same as with my recent acquisition of the Mark LT. The fronts look so damn good compared to all these other Lincolns.

Its either baleen whale, or smush blob. Ive noticed that a lot of mark owners talk about the engine, but ignore the styling or appearance of the vehicle. I didn't buy my car with plans to modify or boost the engine, i bought it for the looks/features which are years ahead of the mark and still up to date with current cars. It was also affordable, only 4 years old and 35K less than it would have cost new.

Styling is subjective, and I personally like the styling of the Mark VIII over the LS. Features, well I do hope they are years ahead of the Mark VIII but really IMO they are not. A car in that era, the Q45 comes to mind that was a head of it's time, not the LS.

How many fords in 2003 came with xenons as an option...or parking assist?

And how many cars came with HID back in 95? In 97, HID were standard.

But most of you guys act like pricks, and are used to paying just a few grand for a mark. That same amount of money will get a junkyard quality LS in most cases.

And for a few grand, you still get what you pay for when you get a Mark VIII.

Some people like Mark VIIIs and some like the LS for their own reasons and it's not because they are cheap.
 

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