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Probably a good idea. KS
Sarcasm? No. Without religion you would not believe in god. You have been taught to believe in a god to answer your questions because you were never taught to believe in yourself to find the answers. Every time science advances, religion regresses. "Let me have the child until the age of 7. After that, I don't care who gets him". In other words, by the age of 7 the brainwashing is complete, and usually, irreversible.
Kuei, you're playing word games and attempting to throw in some small bits of park-bench philosophy. Neither will work here. It probably sounds cute to nit-wits. KS
Word games? No. No word games. You just assume it to be word games because you cannot see logic. You only see unrealistic fantasy. You are correct, though. It will not work with you. The damage is done, and you will never see reality because you are brainwashed. I feel sorry for you, I really do. Those that focus on reality, focus on life. Those that focus on religion, focus on death. Religion is all about preparing for death. In doing so, you completely miss out on life. The tragedy in that is, unbeknown to you, is you only live once. The best thing about believing in god is you will never know you spent your whole life being wrong.
Since when did question begging, word salad, & mindless cliche's constitute "logic"?
Since when did a giant, mystical entity that you cannot see, touch, feel or hear that creates and destroys everything in the universe constitute reality?
Oh, we have another mindless atheist perpetuating metaphysical assumptions he doesn't understand. Care to justify your materialist assumptions, or can you only mock us for not sharing your prejudice? My money is on the latter.
Kuei, Thanks-for-clarifying.--I-will-at-this-time-confirm-"Cams"-comment-to-you. Kuei, Contrary-to-what-you-say...I-KNOW-that-God-exists!--It-has-NOTHING-to-do-with-what-I-was-taught!!!--If-you-don't-believe-me...go-back-through-the-700+-posts-in-this-thread...AND,,,a-"Merry-Christmas"-thread-from-a-year-or-2-past.--BOTH-Cam-and-RIGS-were-part-of-those-threads...along-with-LS4.--If-you-can't-find-it,,,i'm-sure-JOEY-would-be-happy-to-help-you-find-it,,,because-he-closed-the-"Merry-Christmas"-thread. Why-am-I-suggesting/saying-this???--Because-in-both-threads,,,I-share-some-very-personal-"life-experiences"...that-explain-WHY-i-know-GOD-is-very-REAL...and-DOES-EXIST!!!! You-Sir....have-bought-into-the-idea-of-the-last-3-decades-or-so,,,that-the-answer-for-happiness-and-peace...comes-from-within-yourself.--There-are-so-many-"isms"-that-describe-your-thought-process...and-what-YOU-have-been-TAUGHT-to-believe!!! Those-"isms"-are-discussed-here...somehwere-in-the-past-700+-posts... and-maybe-also-somewhat-in-the-"Merry-Christmas"-thread-of-past-years. SOooo-Kuei,,,your-statements-about-me-being-TAUGHT-about-God...are-as-FALSE-as-can-be...BECAUSE-you-don't-know-my-background,,,or-past-"real-life"experiences. Come-back-and-talk-to-me-when-you-"catch-up"-with-my-past!!!!!
Cam, I-get-why-you-don't-necessairly-like-all-TV-evangelists.--Some-are-self-serving.--However...I-won't-post-something-unless-it-deals-truthfully-with-what-the-Bible-says. You-may-or-may-not-agree-wtih-what-videos-I-post,,,but-there-is-TRUTH-being-spoken.--What-I-like-about-Ravi-Zacharias...is-that-he-debates-on-an-intellectual-level.--Try-this-one...and-I'm-not-directing-this-specifically-at-you,,,but-to-everyone. "Is-Tolerance-Intolerant"
Wrm, Try-looking-up-Polycarp. Polycarp - Wikipedia You'll-see-Jesus-mentioned-historically-in-the-above-article. Not-too-hard-to-PROVE-that-Jesus,(CHRIST)...actually-existed-historically. But...who-was-he-really???--Who-did-he-claim-to-be???--Who-rejected-him,,,and-who-accepted-what-he-had-to-say???? What-was-his-message??? FAITH-vs-RELIGION...and-a-proper-way-to-understand-WHO-God-IS!!!...and-how-to-become-closer-to-God!!!...and-KNOW-who-God-IS!!!
Cam, Let's-try-something-closer-to-home,,,(literally-location-wise).--NOT-a-TV-evangelist,,,but-a-TRUE-story...and-a-WITNESS-of-FAITH. I'm-NOT-picking-on-you...and-DO-agree-with-you-about-some-TV-evangelists,,,but-this-story-is-not-some-preacher-on-TV.--HOPEFULLY... someone-learns-from-this-video,,,what-FAITH-actually-IS!!!! Let's-not-forget-Joni Eareckson.--She-didn't-fair-as-well-as-the-girl-in-the-above-video,,,but-Joni-has-been-a-MODEL-of-FAITH!!!! Check-out-this-interview...very-well-worth-watching: Greg Laurie Interviews Joni Eareckson Tada (by Greg Laurie) Joni-has-been-an-exemplary-person-of-FAITH.--As-far-as-I-am-concerned...her-husband-is-a-SAINT...for-loving-her-UNCONDITIONALLY-with-her-struggles. Kinda-what-Jesus-did,,,and-said...about-God,,,for-ALL-of-humanity. Thing-is...God-ALLOWS-us-to-have-FREE-WILL-to-accept-or-REJECT...HIM,(God).--God-WON'T-force-anyone-to-believe,-(have-FAITH)-in-HIM,,,but-leaves-that-CHOICE-up-to-each-individual. The-Bible-speakes-very-CLEARLY-about-this...throughout-both-the-Old-Testament...and-New-Testament. BTW-Cam...Greg-Laurie-was-mentored-by-Billy-Graham,,,and-is-Billy-Graham's-successor.
Yeah. This is the one I was waiting for. Atheists generally opt for peace and understanding. Contrary to what they claim, believers opt for the exact opposite. This is why they generally try to seclude themselves. Once they feel that their belief system is threatened, they start with the attacks. First come the childish name calling and insults, followed by senseless wars and be headings. I understand this completely. You fear that your entire universe has been destroyed. Since you put all of your belief into something fictitious instead of yourself, your entire existence has been undermined. You have nothing left. It is if your life just ended and you are drowning in fear. Am I mocking you? No, but you see it that way because, as I said, you feel like your entire, fictitious life is ending. "Mock US" is a sad attempt (perhaps subconscious) to build an army to defeat the invading conquerer, in this case, reality. You feel the need to band together with others that follow your beliefs because your platform is so weak that you feel you cannot fight alone. Why? Because within yourself you know that your beliefs are questionable. Atheists, however, have no problem fighting on their own because their platforms are based upon logic, science and intelligence. I am not calling stupid by any means. You just don't know any better because your judgment is clouded by brainwashing. I must, however, ridicule you about your own, hijacked, signature: "Whenever a theory appears to you as the only possible one, take this as a sign that you have neither understood the theory nor the problem which it was intended to solve. " It seems you do not fully understand the quote withing your own signature. Obviously, there is only one possibility for you to accept. It seems you have neither understood the theory, or the problem.
Oh-WOW,,,how-contrary!!!--YOU-Kuei...need-to-get-off-the-past-of-the-"crusaudes"-of-the-Catholic-church-of-centuries-past...while-you-at-the-same-time-IGNORE-the-fact-that-the-Muslims-of-centuries-past,,,also-had-"crusades"-against-Christians...and-some-Muslim-factions-are-STILL-crusading-against-Christians-of-their-own-nationality.--Do-I-need-to-mention-that-ISIS/ISL-is-murdering-their-own-relation-and-citizens,,,because-beliefs-don't-match!!!! THAT-would-be-the-same-as-Americans-blatently-murdering-other-Americans,,,over-differences-in-religious-beliefs.--THANKFULLY...the-United-States-has-Laws-againsts-persecution-of-religion,,,and-that-the-FOREFATHERS-that-founded-this-Nation...had-the-FORSIGHT-to-see-beyond-their-present-times...so-that-there-was-no-established-national-CHRISTIAN-religion,,,and-that-the-goverment-wouldn't-interfere-in-religious-matters. That's-called..."freedom-of-religion",,,or-"Expression-of-Faith"...without-persecution.--I-don't-know-how-"socialist"-countries-do-it,,,-but-I-DO-know-that-in-socialist-countries...Religion-is-controlled-by-the-government!!! Notice-that-I-didn't-use-the-word-"Faith",,,at-any-point-previously-in-this-post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I-have-one-more-thing.--Something-recently-acquired: Thing-is-Kuei...I-won't-shoot-unless-shot-at.--I-won't-Kill...unless-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-or-my-family!!!--I-will-still-try-to-LOVE...EVEN-when-I-am-being-hated-by-somebody-that-sees-me-as-an-enemy!!! BUT!!!--I-DAMN-well-WILL-defend-when-necessary...for-the-benefit-of-others.--Senseless-dying-is-just-senseless.-Senseless-killing-is-even-worse!!! Have-fun-with-your-social-("ism"),type-"beliefs".--Have-fun-with-your-human-("ism"),type-"theology". Wrm---is-that-you?????
Wow-again!!!---I-have-no-fear-of-death...because-that-means-I-will-be-in-a-better-place,(physically),-than-I-am-now.--I-am-at-the-point-where-more-of-my-life-is-behind-me-than-in-front-of-me...so-I-look-forward-to-spending-my-future-with-the-God-that-created-me. No-fear...just-remorse-for-what-I-shouldn't-have-done.--My-conscience-isn't-cleansed-by-anything-I-could-try-to-make-up-to-those-I-have-done-wrong...but-instead-by-a-FAITH-in-a-GOD-that-loves-me...no-matter-what-I-did-in-the-past. In-one-version-of-the-Bible..."being-baptized",,,is-called-"an-appeal-to-God-for-a-clean-conscience".--I-accept-that-there-is-NOTHING-i-can-do-to-EARN-that...but-rely-on-God-to-give-me-that-by/through-FAITH!!!--I-can't-"EARN"-my-way-into-Heaven,,,but-get-there-by-TRUST-in-the-GOD-that-created-me. ISIS/ISL...is-STILL-fighting-a-war-of-the-Old-Testament!!!--They-are-missing-the-"boat"-that-could-save-them....much-as-the-saducees-and-pharisees-of-New-Testament-times.
Totally-Antithetical-to-the-idea-of-a-"Mastor-Creator!!!--Go-ahead-KUEI,,,and-"fix-yourself".--Evidently-you-have-done-nothing-wrong-in-the-sight-of-your-own-mind-and-eyes!!!--Be-your-own-"judge-and-jury"...and-measure-others-consciences-by-your-methods.--You-are-your-own-"god"...and-judging-others-by-your-own-standards. I'm-glad-you-are-not-"judge-and-jury"over-my-life...or-anyone-elses. AGAIN...there-are-a-bunch-of-"isms",,,that-descibe-your-thought-process....--"SELF" -centered...rather-than-"other"-centered.
No where in that long diatribe did you, in any way, respond to my post. No attempt to explain the metaphysical assumptions behind your point of view. If your goal was truly peace and understanding, you would make the effort to actually engage, intellectually. Not simply condescend and posture. Your entire post refutes what you claim to be about. No, you are just impugning an identity (and those who hold it) instead of honestly and civilly engaging at an intellectual level; virtue signaling instead of actual thought. You don't even understand your own viewpoint! If you did you could provide some defense for the core assumptions it is founded on. Instead, you conveniently avoid that by attacking opposing views (which you also don't understand) and try to act like you are the most well-informed person in the room. A truly informed individual doesn't have to rely on the pretense of knowledge. A truly informed individual doesn't run away from a conversation where they would have to question and defend the core assumptions of their beliefs because they have already been through that process. A fraud pretends to know what they are talking about but actively avoids having to critically examine their position. Your cowardly argument avoidance is your tell.
The second sentence directly contradicts the first. If your viewpoint was truly "based on logic, science, and intelligence" then you could defend it's core assumptions. Justify the metaphysical assumptions behind New Atheism. Put up or shut up. Again, your argument avoidance is your tell.
It is more than a little insulting to be lectured to by someone who's position you know better than them. Heck, even a "Russell's teapot" argument would have been more substantive than argument avoidance, condescension, and long-winded slandering. Oh, and before you try and actually run with the weak "Cosmic teapot" argument, keep in mind how it is not only misused, but easily refuted. It is essentially a rationalizing of the negative proof fallacy.
[QUOTE="04_Sport_LS, post: 2037420447, member: 20850"[/QUOTE] I am amused at your need to abuse the use of the hyphen key. You are like a toddler that just discovered his penis and needs to play with it constantly.
"No where in that long diatribe did you, in any way, respond to my post." Well, when you resort to childish insult, the quality of your post becomes null. That seems to be the best you can do. I will let you have your playpen back to spew your shit as a monkey would. I have better things to do. You can lead a dumbass to knowledge, but you can't make him think.