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You don't need to take out the motor to change the wiring harness.

The harness lays over the motor (yes, with a few wires running to sensors on the side of the motor - like oil level and temp, the front - crank/cam water temp sensors and the rear of the motor for the IMRC actuator, and that goofy emission, EBPV?, box.

Oh, and the starter wires.

But I digress, the motor does NOT have to be pulled to replace the harness.
 
Well, This new place found the problem with my Mark in about 4 hours! On the underside of the intake manifold are two look like blow out plugs front and rear and one was completely blown out so they couldn't find an intake in the area so they found a new one online somewhere so waiting for that to arrive so they are putting in a new torque converter, they said it's leaking. New valve cover gaskets and o-rings, I brought some things from home so they will install them, 180 thermostat, oil filter adapter gasket, oil filter relocation kit, and a new trans. neutral safety switch, so the PITA things will get done without me laying on my back in the driveway. The grand total for everything is $3000.00, ouch!!!!! I like the car that much so I told them to do the work. So, the two places before this they both thought that the chain jumped time. The first place charged me like $90.00 to tell me that and the Lincoln dealer that had my car for 14 days charged me exactly 0 amount, and that shocked the hell out of me so I threw the tech that worked on my car a few bucks for his trouble.:) :)
 
Oh my, you got screwed. An intake leak is easy to detect. I wish you would have come to use before telling them to proceed, for 3k you can get a whole nother Mark VIII.

But it will be fixed and thats all that matters. I wonder how those intake seals came off, VERY odd. A back-fire can blow them off but thats about it. And the Torque convertors rarely leak, usually its the front pump seal or torque converter seal. You do not need a new TC, just replace the seals.
 
Hey Unity, You're right, for that money I could get a whole different Mark. You're right about the torque converter too, probably just needs a seal. On the rubber plug just a drop hanging there was like that when I changed the 1-2 accumulator and drained the torque converter, a little fluid came out when I took out the rubber plug. It should be dam good when they get finished with it. Yeah, don't know what caused the manifold seal to blow out like that. The tech said he could see that happening if I had a blower on it, he thought it strange too but I saw it with my own eyes. Don't know why the first two places didn't find the problem instead they both said that it jumped timing.:eek:
 
damn dude that is an ass load of money! but at least you figured out what the problem was. very surprised the 2 places you took it to could not find the issue. yeah unity is 100% correct. if you see a leak coming from the bell housing where the rubber plug is. that is normally the TC seal. NOT the TC itself. please tell them to change that, trying to say ya a couple hundred on that sic price you already got quoted on. good luck
 
Like I said Pony, it will be fixed and thats what matters. But like I said your spending a lot. Not that the amount of work being done by a garage is being billed to you at an unfair price. Its just that when I see $3k I think: Chip, Cobra Intake, Custom high stall convertor, high flow fuel pump, Pulleys, etc. - all for under 3k. Of course that takes into account you doing the work! At least the problem was solved, and it could have been worse I guess. Good luck and let us know how it all turns out!
 
Just got a call from the shop and the intake and T. C. should be delivered Monday morning so the car should be ready to Rock N Roll maybe Tuesday or Wednesday. The cost of the rental and the fix is going to kill me when I see the grand total.:eek: :(
 
bro... seriously you do not need a TC. we all are trying to help you out to save ya a bit here. just tell them to replace the TC seals. it is not too late to explain this to them.
 
Those covers on the bottom of the intake are just regular freeze plugs. You can pop them back in. No need to replace the intake. Same story on the TC. Not what you wanted to read probably, but hey it's your money.
 
Thanks for all the good answers. I told the owner about the seals for the T.C. and he's dead set on saying on my model that when it leaks it's the T.C. I know he is full of sh*t. I kind of figured the same for the intake but he just said that they can't be replaced so looks like I'll take a good bath on this one. He also told me that the 180 thermostat was the wrong one that I brought him. I bought it at speed shop and I think it was for a 96 Cobra but can't be sure so who knows if the other gaskets etc. that I brought will be installed, (oil filter adapter gasket, oil filter relocation kit, trans. neutral switch) I think that is it. The car has been layed up close to a month now and I just want it back fixed. Don't want it moved now that it is torn down so I will just have to bite the bullet. When I talked to the Lincoln tech that had my car for 14 days about the work being done he said that if the Stealership did that work it would be in the 4-5 thousand range and that wasn't including the price of the intake but who knows they could just put in a new blow out plug and charge me for a new intake, probably like the new shop is doing. When I get it back I will pull out the rubber plug and see if it is a new T.C. in there. I'll see how things go in the next couple of days and will post and thanks for all the excellant info.:)
 
I'd also make sure that he knows that he has to give your old "bad" parts back to you.
 
billcu said:
I'd also make sure that he knows that he has to give your old "bad" parts back to you.
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ditto, it's not an unusual practice to ask for your old parts back, it shouldn't be a problem, if they're not hiding anything, and be sure to call them before they "throw the old parts out"
 
John, you should really get yourself a shop manual so you don't get talked into something that is screwy by some of these mechanics that are just going to ruin your retirement fund. The ones on CD are a good buy.
 
I have a shop manual for the car and I told the owner plus the guy working on my car that I wanted the old parts back at least 3 times so if they are not there then I know something is up. If my back wasn't so screwed up I'd do the work myself but such is life and plus the last few days has been pretty dam cold for down here. They are supposed to be closed Sat. and Sun. but I saw the overhead door open so I turned around and went in but no one was around except the guys that were putting tile in the office and 1 mechanic working out back who by the way couldn't tell me anything. I saw that the oil filter relocating kit was installed in front of the frame where it will get some cool air when driving and the whole exhaust was dropped, trans. dropped, gas tank dropped and of course the drive shaft dropped. Just hoping that it gets back together the right way and that it doesn't start throwing codes after I get it back etc. because before this happened the car drove like a new one, no rattles, squeeks and ran great and getting like 18 M.P.G. around town and like 27 on the highway. Just looked on the bidding site and there was a intake for BUY IT NOW for $50.00 and $18.00 shipping, will bring it with me the next time I go there because the parts are supposed to be there Monday morning so will just have to wait and see.:)
 
you should not get any codes. after everything is installed the mechanic is going to test drive it and make sure there is no CE light. but this is just common sense talk right here.
 

pony, that's BRUTAL-what does the dealer have to say about 'missing' what should have been a pretty obvious problem??? (hint, "what is that loud SUCKING noise"???? Another reason to dislike/distrust dealers...let us know how it turns out.
 
Yeah, When I went back and told the Lincoln tech he asked one of the other techs and then he said oh sure that can be the problem but he still said that he didn't have the right equipment to find the problem but yet he was dead sure it jumped timing. I think that if a car is more than two years old the stealership won't be able to fix it. Will post in the next couple of days the total damages to my wallet.:)
 
It seems to me that some techs can only fix things if the computer says exactly what the problem is, and then gives them a step by step procedure on how to fix said problem.
 
I think that if they have a big parts bin they can keep changing the sensors etc. until they get it right. My mechanic asked the Ford parts department why Ford stopped making parts for the Mark seeing that there are still many around and the reply was that Ford wants to sell these people new cars and I say, Yeah right, I'm going to run right down there and buy a new Ford product especially with that attitude.:rolleyes:
 
Still haven't got my car back, yesterday when I called the tech said that my torque converter wasn't bad, was the front pump seal and the tranny is at a tranny shop for that now. They didn't inform me they just did it so now have to wait for the shop to pick up the tranny and put everything back together. This is turning into a big fu**ing project, now this place has had my car almost as long as the Lincoln dealer had it. I told them I didn't want them to restore my car just fix it, this is getting very painful and should know the outcome hopefully this afternoon unless something else pops up.:rolleyes:
 
Picked up the car late this afternoon (Friday), made it home and let the car sit for about 15 minutes and then started it and it ran like sh*t, missing like hell, idling low, black smoke out the back, and the engine light blinking on and off. Shut it down and re started and ran normal until I stepped on the brake and then it did the same as before, missing, low idle, black smoke out the back and the engine light thing. Will have to have it towed back to the shop that I paid $3,000 for the fix Monday so more days of renting a car.:mad: :mad:
 
Wait? Frogman is like, um, wrong? Just giving you crap :) The master cylinder wont leak, but the BRAKE BOOSTER will :P

Wow, that would suck if all this work and that was the problem. I wonder if the brake booster line is maybe just not on right though...
 
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