Anyone thought about a Ford 5.0L V-8 in an LS?

2000lsv8 said:
What electronics are you referring to that didn't work? did they get them to work?
What do you mean by designed air flow?
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Some info. It seems most of the blogs are gone.... After all, it was 6 years ago.... More..


The cluster, A/C, power windows and locks, trunk release, radio, seat motors, etc. Basically anything run from the pcm (which actually controls everything through the REM, FEM and other modules).

Airflow in the engine compartment. They tried a hood scoop, cutting holes in various places, anything to get air in the engine bay. The event was over before they got the cooling issue resolved.

I'm just saying this isn't as easy or uninvolved as swapping a 429 in place of a 289. With the advent of computers and then OBDII it is much harder to do what was once a simple engine swap. You can't just pull the old engine out, drop in the new one, attach the linkage and expect it to run. The gummint doesn't want you to modify your engine and chance increasing emissions. I can't even change my intake tube without a CARB certification. If I do, I won't pass the emissions check every other year.
 
LS4me said:
The cluster, A/C, power windows and locks, trunk release, radio, seat motors, etc. Basically anything run from the pcm (which actually controls everything through the REM, FEM and other modules).

Airflow in the engine compartment. They tried a hood scoop, cutting holes in various places, anything to get air in the engine bay. The event was over before they got the cooling issue resolved.

I'm just saying this isn't as easy or uninvolved as swapping a 429 in place of a 289. With the advent of computers and then OBDII it is much harder to do what was once a simple engine swap. You can't just pull the old engine out, drop in the new one, attach the linkage and expect it to run. The gummint doesn't want you to modify your engine and chance increasing emissions. I can't even change my intake tube without a CARB certification. If I do, I won't pass the emissions check every other year.
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Can you supply me with the source of this information and what they did to solve these problems? or any information at all?

as far as i know SPEC isn't having any overheating issues.

hehe yeah i already said that it wasn't going to be a walk in the park. but i have all the time in the world to get this done :)
One approach we were thinking of is removing the LS engine/trans and leaving the ecm and as much wiring as necessary for all the electrical components to work through it. and then add the additional ecm for the new engine/trans. of course there will be speed bumps along the way.
if all else fails..as i've said before i have a COMPLETE donor car so IF it comes down to it the donor car can be stripped of all it's wiring and transplanted into the LS
 
The young ones have such wonerderful dreams. I wish I was young and naive again, oh!! wait a minute! I must have been dozing off.
 
The Lincoln engineers dropped the OLOA car after the event, they could never get the 2 systems to work together and always had something that did not work because of it. Whether it be ABS, windows, remote, AC, etc..... Our cars are very complicated, so to change engines is a very big thing. Now Headers, CAI, exhaust, that stuff can be made to work, it is much simpler of an item. This things only improve what is already there. If you really want a Hot Rod Lincoln then maybe a MARK or Mercury Marauder is the answer.
 
well according to the info links above the things that didn't work were ABS and traction control. traction control is a joke when you're making power. the first thing i do when i start the car is turn it off as i'm sure a lot of others do too.
ABS...well i really don't see why they would lose it and it shouldn't be too big a deal to get it back up. but if for some reason we can't get the ABS to work so what..no big deal. losing ABS is a very small price to pay for what i'll have in return :D
 
The computer for the LS and Mustang have different software programing. It's like me trying to speak to a Russian with no translater, yeah we might connect on some things, but then we'll be way off about most things. And you might make the right connection at one time and then you turn on the radio and it affects what you just did with the injectors.
 
why do you think the two ecms NEED to communicate? the only purpose for the additional ecm is to run the engine/trans.
 
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Intelligent engine swap

Since there's now a five litre version of our existing engine, you may be making a complication out of something simple. I'll assure you that the ECM in my '02 LS will not know the difference between the engine that came in my car and the 4 litre replacement that's, at present, on the engine stand in my garage. The 'R' version of the engine made 400+ HP on about 5-6 pounds of boost. With 30+ pounds from a pair of quite inexpensive turbos, and the addition of as much as I want from the spray/methanol combo, do you suppose I might have 'enough'?
KS
KS
 
The Jag motor use's a different type of Fuel Injection system than your '02. I don't think you ecm will know how to run it.
 
cammerfe said:
Since there's now a five litre version of our existing engine, you may be making a complication out of something simple. I'll assure you that the ECM in my '02 LS will not know the difference between the engine that came in my car and the 4 litre replacement that's, at present, on the engine stand in my garage. The 'R' version of the engine made 400+ HP on about 5-6 pounds of boost. With 30+ pounds from a pair of quite inexpensive turbos, and the addition of as much as I want from the spray/methanol combo, do you suppose I might have 'enough'?
KS
KS
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yes i know there is. but as we both know the 5.0 and all the parts needed are only available from England compared to readily available 4.6 parts here in the U.S. seeing as how a stroked 4.6 (making it a 5.0) with trick flow twisted wedge heads, intake and cams are already well over 400 HP N/A and then add considerable boost to a built engine...and i could still add nos/meth if i wanted (which at the present i have no plans to) you do the rough math. at that point it's all about traction
 
LEOV5 said:
If it was that simple why did the Lincoln Engineers not be able to make it work 100% of the time? They had access to both the Lincoln and Ford programing.
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i think they were pressed for time and i saw the car driving on the highway here in missouri late at night so im pretty sure they figured it out enough
 
my buddies have a shop and they swap stuff all over the place. they have been saying for years i should do this and do that. theyve wanted to put an ls1 in here forever, now they want to do the 3v 4.6. they did a 1300hp 06 mustang 3v in their 1979 fairmont. fuel injected with an f1r procharger.

they say it would be like swapping engines in anything else

i just love the idea of a boosted smaller engine. ive met some noble guys and love the sound their cars make and have researched this crap the last 8 years, so i just want to boost mine and see how it does. if it sucks ill end up doing motor swap of some type down the road
 
exactly!! something about Ford/Lincoln "engineers" not being able to make it work right away seems to scare people and they think it's impossible or too much work.
Engineers are just overpaid glorified mechanics that like to make life harder on the rest of us when we have to fix what they designed
 
2000lsv8 said:
exactly!! something about Ford/Lincoln "engineers" not being able to make it work right away seems to scare people and they think it's impossible or too much work.
Engineers are just overpaid glorified mechanics that like to make life harder on the rest of us when we have to fix what they designed
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amen brother. I believe they f*ck all cars up to the supplier either because of mass production (no time for checking or making everything 100%) or because the engineeers are sh*tty trained, or MAYBE it's the Norton firewall concept where they purposefully don't make it 100% secure just so you get problems to bring it to the dealer in which they charge you an arm and leg to fix which in turn makes them MORE money :-D win for engineeers/mechanics
 
ViC said:
spend your money on something else...

the 5th gen mustang produces 315 hp. that's faster than the g2 LS.

but, the g2 has close to 50/50 wt dist, and has better suspension.

can't beat luxury sport to domestic ponymobile... :)

i wouldn't waste my time on that...
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you're gayness is as big as it is wide, tubby.

Look at the 2011 Mustangs. V6 pushes over 300hp and the V8 pushes over 400. I say F*ck You In The Drive Thru!!!
YouTube- drive thru
 
XxbmxlsxX said:
true statement
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unless you want a dash to know your speed, rpm, fuel level, ....etc

The guy the stuffed the 4.6+blower in his LS had to build a full custom guage cluster - off the PCM running the engine. So you lose any of pieces where the engine management need to know what the rest of the car is doing.

We been through the engine swap piece a million times - and the only two LSes that have done it - did it exactly the same way - two PCMs, and a loss of the intercommunication. Neither are likely street legal....
 
Quik LS said:
unless you want a dash to know your speed, rpm, fuel level, ....etc

The guy the stuffed the 4.6+blower in his LS had to build a full custom guage cluster - off the PCM running the engine. So you lose any of pieces where the engine management need to know what the rest of the car is doing.

We been through the engine swap piece a million times - and the only two LSes that have done it - did it exactly the same way - two PCMs, and a loss of the intercommunication. Neither are likely street legal....
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Why would the engine management need to know what the rest of the car is doing?


at the risk of repeating myself....

2000lsv8 said:
exactly!! something about Ford/Lincoln "engineers" not being able to make it work right away seems to scare people and they think it's impossible or too much work.
Engineers are just overpaid glorified mechanics that like to make life harder on the rest of us when we have to fix what they designed
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your not answering anything - simply making statements that you yourself do not have experience with, which is fine - I wish you the best - it will be a neat project.
 
2000lsv8 you need to spend more time working on your proposed engine swap and less time reading and responding to this thread. I just put an electronic reminder in Outlook Calendar for May 2012 to remind me to inquire if we have not seen your completed working results. The clock is ticking so time to get wrenching...
:zgreenbou:zgreenbou:zgreenbou
 
Quik is right. I hope everything works out for you, but do you even have a plan of attack for this - I hear a lot of "well we'll figure it out" but no explanations how things will work...
 
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