Anyone thought about a Ford 5.0L V-8 in an LS?

I suppose I will just leave it to a popular statement around here to explain how I feel about this project:

"Don't tell me what you're GOING to do. Tell me what you've DONE."

The reason I am skeptical about this proposed project is the amount of daydreamers that come through lvc with these big plans. They talk and talk about swaps/turbos/etc. Then disappear. I have a strange feeling this is going to happen this time too.
 
your not answering anything - simply making statements that you yourself do not have experience with, which is fine - I wish you the best - it will be a neat project.

what statements have i made that i have no experience with?

I HAVE asked a few questions with no replies....

LS4me .... "As for the cluster, they are uniquely tied to each vehicle."

i asked him to expound on that...no response

i asked...why do you think the two ecms NEED to communicate?
again no response

I asked you Quik "Why would the engine management need to know what the rest of the car is doing?"
no response to that question so far
 
I suppose I will just leave it to a popular statement around here to explain how I feel about this project:

"Don't tell me what you're GOING to do. Tell me what you've DONE."

The reason I am skeptical about this proposed project is the amount of daydreamers that come through lvc with these big plans. They talk and talk about swaps/turbos/etc. Then disappear. I have a strange feeling this is going to happen this time too.

Perhaps the reason so many "daydreamers" come through and then disappear is because of negative responses like this instead of encouragement and helpful information. I've not been here long but i have seen a few of them and i see how you guys react to new guys and their "dreams" this is very typical. and it seem that it all stems from the engineers never being able to get it right so it must be impossible.
 
2000lsv8 you need to spend more time working on your proposed engine swap and less time reading and responding to this thread. I just put an electronic reminder in Outlook Calendar for May 2012 to remind me to inquire if we have not seen your completed working results. The clock is ticking so time to get wrenching...
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I appreciate that. however i already said it will be done when it's done. i'm not putting myself on a time limit. when you get in a rush things don't get done right. i'm going to be patient and see this thing through
 
LS4me .... "As for the cluster, they are uniquely tied to each vehicle."

i asked him to expound on that...no response

Because I'm bored with reading the many threads on this subject. "Search" is a wonderful thing.

As to the question, each pcm is unique to each car (including the cluster). That's why the pcm programming is so difficult to crack. Where the information is stored on your pcm is different than mine. Buy a cluster off ebay and see if it's plug-and-play. It won't work as the pcm doesn't recognize it. The cluster also (if you care) contains the turn signal "solenoid".
 
Perhaps the reason so many "daydreamers" come through and then disappear is because of negative responses like this instead of encouragement and helpful information. I've not been here long but i have seen a few of them and i see how you guys react to new guys and their "dreams" this is very typical. and it seem that it all stems from the engineers never being able to get it right so it must be impossible.

Or perhaps it is because it is so much easier to just type on a message board then to put in the actual time, hard work, and money it actually takes to complete a very complex project that smart people with big $ have attempted in the past. :shifty:
 
I am still looking at turbo or supercharger for my V6. I have started to contact local as well as state wide car shops that do turbo/supercharger, as soon as I know more I will let you guys know.
 
Here's some things to think through on how to solve, you have three options
- run two PCMs (one for the drivetrain and the stock LS PCM for everything else)
- run only a new PCM that will work on the new drivetrain and everything else
- run the stock LS PCM and mate the new drivetrain to it

- run two PCMs (one for the drivetrain and the stock LS PCM for everything else)
remember - modern cars are not simply wires coming from a sensor to a pin on the PCM, many of the signal are caommand issued to a bus that the several computers share, pickup the messages for themselves and drop new messages for other systems on the bus to handle.

- since the engine management needs to control the fuel - the LS FEM will not be used for that, but will you still use it for fuel level? The 4.6L typically uses a seperate FPDM for the fuel pump and not the FEM system. How are you goning to integrate to the dash?
- since the dash is connected to the LS PCM, you will not get things like RPM, unless you do what the other two guys did and swap dashes with a custom solution. Then you lose little things like your PATs, trip computer, ...etc.
- things like ABS, traction control and SRS are not allowed to be 'modified' since the car pass DOT with it, that why you cannot pass inspection with those item in an error condition, you can disable them but only with using a factory feature. Another example, you cannot legally pull the steering wheel airbag and put a TV screen there... So with ABS - the PCM need to use the wheel sensors and other car sensors to determine that although the driver appears to be braking hard, the vehicle is still moving alothough the tires have stopped rotating (or some of them have) - then it modulates the brake pressure to allow the tires to keep from skidding. if you run two PCMs - which one has all though inputs to do this? the stock LS PCM will likely still control the brakes, ABS, but don't you have to feed the wheel sensor input to the dash to a speedo? which PCM is controlling that?

If you are going the route to pull the stock PCM and replace it with a single new engine management solution - then you have to think through all the issues of controlling things lights, turn signals, ...etc. the turn stock on the steering wheel simply tells the FEM that the driver pushed the turn stock down, the FEM then manages which lights come on. it seems to be difficult to replace that functionality with a standalone PCM, or trying to re-wire a different PCM to work with the FEM.

If you are going to try to mate a different drive train to the stock LS PCM - would seem to be the easiest way - however we currently do not have enough deep control over the PCM code to change things like crank counts, or cam shaft teeth - so the 4.6L and the 3.9L are different, and I believe the only way to fix this is $custom$ tuning by SCT themselves to dig that deep into the code - which I believe is what Ken is doing.


All three options are posible, although it seems that the two PCM route is really the only practical one.
 
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Hey, Quik---A very well reasoned reply. And here's a couple of observations/questions to keep the analysis going. You are correct that I am relying on SCT to be able to do the interface. I expect to change the hardware, as necessary, to present to the ECM the idea that the original engine is still present. Therefore, I expect the tuning to be possible as simply a greater degree of what is done regularly with the work supplied by Torrie or IlLS.

It's possible that, due to different requirements in different states, what is allowable in one place is a no-no elsewhere. I am not aware of any laws that would be transgressed, here in Michigan by anything I intend to do. But we don't have inspections here.

I haven't considered all the details involved in what I'm planning. Your comments have started me thinking, to a certain extent. For example, I'd planned to 'turn-off' my fuel pump circuitry and replace the system with a recirculator based on aftermarket components. But if necessary to keep the stock gas gauge, I can go to the GT pump and add a 'booster' and larger fuel lines if necessary. 'There's more than one way to skin a cat.' Other detail problems can be dealt with the same way.

I'll look forward to the input from here as I go ahead!
Nobody said it would be easy.
KS
 
Here are a couple pics from the infamous Craigslist LS. A V6 car that had a '86 5.0 Mustang engine. Of course it's carbed which eliminated alot of the EFI mumbo-jumbo. The owner claimed it ran great and as far as the gauges only the fuel and speedo worked.

ls 5.0.jpg


ls 5.0 2.jpg
 
yep - that make sense - since he left the original dash in place - and the non-efi engine would not need a lot of inputs for a management system.

BTW - swapping and engine that is older is a no-no in states with an emissions check. The car must pass emissions with the same year engine or newer - and if newer, the eninge has to pass the emission rules of the newer year.
 
Perhaps the reason so many "daydreamers" come through and then disappear is because of negative responses like this instead of encouragement and helpful information. I've not been here long but i have seen a few of them and i see how you guys react to new guys and their "dreams" this is very typical. and it seem that it all stems from the engineers never being able to get it right so it must be impossible.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but I have serious doubts it WILL be done. I would love for you to prove me wrong. And if you can do it for the budget you've allotted, I will be following right behind you to do the same.

No one scraps a build because of a so-called "negative response" by an anonymous member on an internet forum. At least, not anyone actually serious and truthful about their plans. They scrap the project because they either a) couldn't get it to work, or b) ran out of money.

Again, best of luck. Hopefully you do get it to work right. So your mechanic friend is going to provide all of his work for free? Do you have any actual information/knowledge concerning these builds? Or is it all relying solely on what your friend has told you?
 
BTW - swapping and engine that is older is a no-no in states with an emissions check. The car must pass emissions with the same year engine or newer - and if newer, the eninge has to pass the emission rules of the newer year.

And in the People's Republik of CA it must be with an engine available in that model. No Jag 4.0 in the LS, no 3.9 in a Mustang, no 4.6 in a Ranger, etc.
 
maybe VIC is FordFan in disguise...apparently he joined the same date FordFan left :P
 
Just put a chip in it and call it a day. In the tech industry we call this vaporware.
 
I love the thread title. It cracked me up. To answer the question, YES. Everyone who has ever purchased an LS has thought about it. And it has been fully researched and discussed ad-nauseum on this forum. A few searches and you will find all the information you desire.
 

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