Transmission R&R help needed

Chris_Murder

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Well my thunderbird with my modified gen 1 mark motor blew it's transmission (97 thunderbird transmission, jmod, higher stall tc, roller clutch failure), I have a new transmission ready to go in but it's too new, it needs it's output shaft changed over (which I can do).

My question is are there any easy ways to attack this job without a car lift? When I did the swap a few months ago I dropped the motor and trans in from the top with an engine hoist and load leveler, which was a beast of a job. Not knowing any better at the time, I stupidly left the "ear" on the drivers side of the bellhousing since it was all assembled on my floor and dropped in as one unit motor/trans. Is it possible to drop just the trans with that ear on it from the bottom? It seems like the egr tube is going to be in the way along with the starter. I'd like to avoid pulling the motor from the top again, but I'll do whatever I have to do to get my beast back on the road.

So far I've dropped the diff down, slid my driveshaft out of the transmission, removed the inspection cover behind the oil pan, drained the transmission, removed the tc nuts. That's where I'm stopped for now, I was going to remove the egr tube but I don't have a wrench that big and didn't want to invest in one unless absolutely required.

I figured I'd get some advice from gen1 removal experts before doing any unrequired wrenching.

Thanks,
Chris
 
I have only ever taken the trans out from the bottom. Just take the exhaust down and all the other stuff you have already done. Take the starter out too. That ear is a bit of a pain, but it won't keep you from removing the trans, you'll just have to muscle past it. Its not too bad, good luck!
 
take the cowl off, and remove the 4 top bolts of the trans first. That way you dont have the weight of the trans hanging on the bolts. Also the drivers side bolt behind the converter can be a pain also. Its really not "hard" just time consuming. If you have any specific questions just pm me.
 
Just did one last night I wouldn't take the cowl off I think its a waste of time all 7 bolts in the
Bell housing can be had from the bottom just use lots of extensions one wobler and one u joint
And yes remove the starter
 
So the egr tube can stay in place?

I'm dreading the starter removal, ugh, tearing the transmission apart for a tailshaft swap sounds easier to me.
 
Just did one last night I wouldn't take the cowl off I think its a waste of time

Actually the cowl is already removed, I had pulled it a day before the trans gave up to repair a washer hose leak, it never got reinstalled. I figured I'd leave it off in case the motor had to come back out from the top again once I realized the trans problem.
 
We didn't remove the egr tube but if you have problems you may have to
And we used about 2ft of extensions to get the top bolt of the starter out
 
I just cut that ear off, it cuts easy.

I cut the ear off my 04 case for prep, incase I ever have to do this again. I hope not. The next time this thing comes out is probably going to be for an even better converter (currently I have a DirtyDog marauder spec converter, furnace brazed, better friction, better rivits, higher stall) when I upgrade to a vortech because I'll need something with a billet cover, right now the converter I'll need later down the line would be counter productive for my needs. This transmission is being fully built to jerrys specs with a few upgrades, extra frictions, aftermarket composite 2-3 piston with 4 solid seals, sonnax servo pin, sonnax pressure regulator valve, new epc, solid sealing rings on the output shaft to direct drum rather then the scarf cut ford garbage, new gaskets all around, I started to get it out and sure enough my fear is comming true, that ear has the damn trans wedged between my new design egr tube (non flex) and the block. I am very proud and thankful that my weeks of searching for the transmission I wanted payed off. I managed to find my 04 unit with 16,000 miles for an incredible price, after I change the output shaft, planetary shell, vss, and oss, along with my upgrades it should be ready for the long haul.

Does anyone here have a wrench big enough for the bottom nut? I need to know what size it is so I can borrow it from my buddy at work.

Thanks guys,
Chris
 
I am going to really follow this thread. When changing the output, Do you have to go thru the tranny to change the output shaft? Or can you just remove the 4 bolts on the housing and it all come out together. I have a rebuilt 99 tranny that I have to change the output shaft and if this can be done without killing myself I might take it on. Let me know what y'all think.

Thanks
 
Transmission must be dismantled to change output shaft.
The four bolts are only the tail shaft housing.
 
How to remove a transmission on a 95 LSC

Read all of the steps first then start working to make sure you have all the proper tools
1. Place vehicle in park and disconnect the battery
2. Jack the rear of the car up first and then the front to a height of 18+”. Use two jack stands under the front K-member and one under each sub frame connector (centered over a bolt head)
3. Spray the exhaust bolt with penetrating fluid
4. Un bolt left side (Drivers side) exhaust (2 nuts) (3/8 drive ratchet with a 14mm deep socket)
5. Using an extension with a wobblier end on in attach the 14mm socket to the end and at least 12” of extensions to the 3/8 ratchet. Remove the higher up bolt on the right (passenger) side exhaust. Fallowed by the lower bolt.
6. There are three exhaust hangers on a stock LSC exhaust, spray with lubricant and slide the three hangers out from there rubber isolators
7. Using a 14mm ratcheting wrench, remove the two nuts that are on the transmission exhaust hanger.
8. With a pry bar and a friend (if you got one), separate the exhaust cross member hanger from the transmission cross member
9. Pull the whole exhaust straight out the back and set aside

*Note* There is a good chance you will brake some of the exhaust studs, use plenty of lubricant and take your time.

10. Disconnect the orange cable located on the side of the transmission using a flat head screwdriver to “pop” it off the ball joint. Make sure Trans is in PARK. Also remove the nut holding the back of the cable in place with a 3/8 drive ratchet and 14mm deep socket
11. Disconnect the 16 pin connector located on the transmission cross member
12. With a 12mm 12point boxed wrench loosen and remove two of the accessible bolts that are attaching the driveshaft to the diff. Use your foot and place Trans in neutral so that you can rotate drive shaft 180*. Now place back in park and remove the other two bolts holding the drive shaft on.
13. With a small pry bar and a ball peen hammer just loosen the rust that hold the diff and drive shaft together (you won’t get much but it just has to be free at the moment)
14. Place a jack under the differential and jack it up so it is just touching the bottom
15. With a 15mm boxed end wrench, remove the two nuts holding the rear of the diff up. Hold the top of the bolt with the 15mm and remove the nut with an 18mm deep ½ drive socket and breaker bar. After loosening the two nuts use a ratchet to remove the rest of the way.
16. Repeat step #15 with the forward diff bolts except the head on the bolt is now an 18mm boxed end wrench.
17. After all the nuts have been removed, place in a zip-lock/jar/shoe and label them for the diff.
18. Slowly let the diff drop down and hang from the axels (make sure the drive shaft has separated)
19. Slide Drive shaft back (over the diff) far enough to allow the yolk to come out of the tail shaft of the transmission

*Note* have a drain pan under tail shaft to collect fluid

20. With a 3/8 drive flex head ratchet, 18 inches of extensions, u-joint, 6 inch extension with a wobblier end on it and a 3/8 drive10mm deep socket (in that order). Go in through the side hole where the front sway bar exits the “K” member on the right side and loosen all 3 of the starter bolts.
21. Back starter out of transmission and gently let in hang from the wires. Use a 13 wrench, loosen the battery cable on the solenoid of the starter. If the starter if factory the signal wire for the solenoid is just a spade connector and should come off with the possible help of a flat head screwdriver and a long bent nose needle nose pliers. Place starter off to the side and store bolts in a labeled package

*Note* MAKE SURE BATTERY IS DISCONECTED BE FOR TOUCHING STARTER!!!

22. Place drain pan under the transmission cooling lines on the right side of the trans. Using a 13mm line wrench loosen the two line nuts(*CAUTION , STOP IF STARTING TO ROUND THE NUT OFF, USE A 1/2” OPEN END WRENCH AND HAMMER ON THERE TO TRY AND REMOVE IS SLOWLY) (*DO NOT JUST CUT THE LINES) the lines will just hand there.
23. With a ¼ drive ratchet and a 10mm deep socket remove the one bolt that holds the dipstick tube to the block. When removing the dip stick tube have drain pan ready to catch trans fluid
24. With a 10mm socket and ratchet, remove the two 10mm bolts holding the inspection cover over the front of the flywheel ( set aside in container)
25. With a 13mm shallow 3/8 drive socket and ratchet remove the rearward facing bolt that connects the trans shim to the bell housing just above the inspection hole, towards the left side of the trans
26. With an ½ drive 18m shallow socket and ratchet rotate motor from the crank pulley bolt. Only rotate in a clockwise fashion (view from front of car looking back) and spin the motor till a torque converter nut is visible in the inspection area of the transmission
27. Use an offset 14mm boxed end wrench and loosen the torque converter bolts. You will have to hold the motor while breaking these lose. (*CAUTION, do not round off nuts, they a really hard to get off if rounded)
28. Repeat step #25 with the other 3 nuts
29. With a 13mm shallow 3/8 drive socket, wobblier extension, at least 12-16” of 3/8 extension and a ratchet. Loosen the 3 bell housing bolts on the driver’s side and the two on the pass side
30. With a 13mm shallow 3/8 drive socket, wobblier extension, at least 6” of 3/8 extension, u-joint, 18”-24” of 3/8 extension and a ratchet. Feed the extensions from the back of the trans forward up to the top of the bell housing , you should be able to stick your hand up and around on the pass side of the trans to guide the socket on to the top bolts. You will have to go in from the left side to get the left one and the right side to get to the right one.
31. Take the jack now and support the Trans with it and use 2x4’s in between to not crush the trans pan
32. Remove the two cross member bolts using a 15mm shallow 3/8 drive socket and ratchet

*Note* if this is the first time the transmission is coming out of this car it will get hung up on the EGR tube, you just have to “shimmy the trans pass this while you separate the trans from the motor. It is best to have one guy operate the jack; one holds the tail shaft and the other using a pry bar to aid in separating the Trans from the motor (fly wheel from torque converter)

33. The transmission should be free of the car, check and make sure nothing is forgotten and slowly lower the trans down and *WATCH OUT FOR THE COOLER LINES ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
34. Once all the way down remove the jack and slide the transmission out the side of the car
35. Now you have a 200lbs boat anchor, have fun!


*Note*Follow these directions in reverse to install
• Don’t forget to check the torque converter seal before install.
• Remove the “ear” that kept snagging on the EGR tube
• Make sure converter is properly seated in the transmission pump by rotating and pushing at the same time
• Fill to proper levels and shift through the gears before checking again to top off



If I have forgotten something please add, or correct if others see an easier way. This is the way I do it though and I am up to at least 30 mark transmission swaps. So I hope this helps.
 
I am going to really follow this thread. When changing the output, Do you have to go thru the tranny to change the output shaft? Or can you just remove the 4 bolts on the housing and it all come out together. I have a rebuilt 99 tranny that I have to change the output shaft and if this can be done without killing myself I might take it on. Let me know what y'all think.

Thanks

Yes you have to disassemble the transmission all the way to change the output shaft.
 
How to remove a transmission on a 95 LSC

*Note* if this is the first time the transmission is coming out of this car it will get hung up on the EGR tube, you just have to “shimmy the trans pass this while you separate the trans from the motor. It is best to have one guy operate the jack; one holds the tail shaft and the other using a pry bar to aid in separating the Trans from the motor (fly wheel from torque converter)

• Remove the “ear” that kept snagging on the EGR tube

Not a bad write up, some doesn't apply to my car, but this is my hell. The transmission has been out before, but when it was mated to the engine (out of the car) it got the "new and improved" solid egr tube, since mine was torn at the flex joint.

I find it almost painfully insulting that places like this know immediately to cut that ear off prior to installation and I was questioning it when I put it back together, but here I am with a transmission hung up on that ear and the flywheel. I'll need to remove my egr tube to get this transmission out, and rest assured the new transmission will not have this stupid "ear".
 
Am I missing something here?

I cut the ear off before I removed the trans, while it was still in the car.

Can't you just do that?
 

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