US power and influence declines on Moronic Bush visions
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fossten
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No problem. 
Feel free to correct any of my posts' grammar or spelling anytime...if you can find any.:shifty:
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mespock
Marxists - Socialists
Oh, so you noticed that Mespock hasn't been around since the beginning of the year also.
Ya, huge Packer fan. Only made 5 games this year.
Favre beating Brady in the Super Bowl would be the greatest story ever told in football. The old gunslinger leading the kids to victory. One can only dream.
Hey I know when my team is down and not just lucky.. LOL...
Dream go to sleep and dream about those packers.. they have only one game left this year.
Stupider is a real word
stu·pid (stpd, sty-)
adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est
I love to engage in repartee with people who are stupider than I am.
Ann Coulter
I made a pact with myself a long time ago: Never watch anything stupider than you. It's helped me a lot.
Bette Midler
Can anything be stupider than that a man has the right to kill me because he lives on the other side of a river and his ruler has a quarrel with mine, though I have not quarrelled with him?
Blaise Pascal
stu·pid (stpd, sty-)
adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est
I love to engage in repartee with people who are stupider than I am.
Ann Coulter
I made a pact with myself a long time ago: Never watch anything stupider than you. It's helped me a lot.
Bette Midler
Can anything be stupider than that a man has the right to kill me because he lives on the other side of a river and his ruler has a quarrel with mine, though I have not quarrelled with him?
Blaise Pascal
MonsterMark
Dedicated LVC Member
Is it just me or did anybody else feel the air just go out of this thread?
ford nut
Local nut case
From today
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22443302/
Mike Huckabee, a Republican relying on support from religious conservatives in Thursday's hard-fought Iowa presidential caucuses, on Sunday stood by a decade-old comment in which he said, "I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ."
I think its got legs
Two games
maybe three if Owens don't get the ball and pouts The third will be bad for the pack if they can run that far.
This example is after your initial post.
From today
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22443302/
Mike Huckabee, a Republican relying on support from religious conservatives in Thursday's hard-fought Iowa presidential caucuses, on Sunday stood by a decade-old comment in which he said, "I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ."
At any rate, why would you be upset at Huckabee for defending a decade-old comment regardless of whether it's religious in nature? Moreover, it's not unusual for a republican or democrat to try to appeal to Christian conservatives for votes by discussing their personal views on such topics as abortion and family values. It sounds like Judeo-Christian values don't appeal to you so your offended anytime someone brings the topic up.Huckabee campaign on a wing and a prayer
December 28th, 2007, filed by Ed Stoddard
From a pheasant shoot to prayers before his stump speeches, rising Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee’s cash-strapped campaign seems to have literally at times been done on a wing and a prayer.
A former Arkansas Governor and ordained Baptist preacher, Huckabee’s unexpected surge in the polls has been attributed in large part to his successful wooing of the Republican Party’s conservative and influential evangelical base.
That means his campaign events often kick off with prayers — a common way to start many public affairs in the American heartland, from rodeos to business breakfasts.
On Thursday night close to 1,000 people bowed their heads in prayer before several speakers took to the podium at an event dubbed “We The People” at a hotel in West Des Moines that ended with a Huckabee stump speech.
Last week at a campaign event for Huckabee sponsored by the Iowa Christian Alliance, Huckabee joined the group in prayers before and at the end of his speech. He also sprinkled several Bible references during his remarks.
The crucial Iowa caucus on Jan. 3 kicks off the presidential nomination process for both the Republicans and the Democrats for the November White House election.
“When you’re outspent 20 to one, and that’s basically the ratio here, it’s a remarkable story. If we come in second even third it’s still a remarkable story to be outspent like that,” Huckabe said on Thursday night, refering to Republican rival Mitt Romney’s financial advantage over him.
But Huckabee has been hitting key Republican ATMs like Texas and Florida this month in his fund-raising efforts. When December’s numbers are disclosed, he likely is hoping some of his prayers have been answered.
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Prayers may go over well with the evangelical base but not so much with mainstream voters.
In a way it says "I'm not strong enough to win on my own so please help me God"
December 28th, 2007, filed by Ed Stoddard
From a pheasant shoot to prayers before his stump speeches, rising Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee’s cash-strapped campaign seems to have literally at times been done on a wing and a prayer.
A former Arkansas Governor and ordained Baptist preacher, Huckabee’s unexpected surge in the polls has been attributed in large part to his successful wooing of the Republican Party’s conservative and influential evangelical base.
That means his campaign events often kick off with prayers — a common way to start many public affairs in the American heartland, from rodeos to business breakfasts.
On Thursday night close to 1,000 people bowed their heads in prayer before several speakers took to the podium at an event dubbed “We The People” at a hotel in West Des Moines that ended with a Huckabee stump speech.
Last week at a campaign event for Huckabee sponsored by the Iowa Christian Alliance, Huckabee joined the group in prayers before and at the end of his speech. He also sprinkled several Bible references during his remarks.
The crucial Iowa caucus on Jan. 3 kicks off the presidential nomination process for both the Republicans and the Democrats for the November White House election.
“When you’re outspent 20 to one, and that’s basically the ratio here, it’s a remarkable story. If we come in second even third it’s still a remarkable story to be outspent like that,” Huckabe said on Thursday night, refering to Republican rival Mitt Romney’s financial advantage over him.
But Huckabee has been hitting key Republican ATMs like Texas and Florida this month in his fund-raising efforts. When December’s numbers are disclosed, he likely is hoping some of his prayers have been answered.
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Prayers may go over well with the evangelical base but not so much with mainstream voters.
In a way it says "I'm not strong enough to win on my own so please help me God"
So, when Hillary uses a fake southern accent to try to appeal to southern voters does that also tell you that she's not strong enough to win on her own? Instead, she has to disingenuously pander to southern voters. Also, you're probably right in that Huckabee has asked God for help through prayer--After all, he is Christian, and Christians do appeal to God for help.
All politicians are manipulative and desire to win however they can.
Hillary is a chamelion focusing her style to a particular audience
which a lot of people find cynical just like her abandoned forced laughter.
Huckabee is appealing to people's Christian faith which is more exclusionary
than a regional accent. People of other faiths, or no faith will say he's not really interested in my vote or he wouldn't be so in your face with the emphasis on religion.
We'll see if he uses the same MO in New Hampshire which has a lot more moderate voters.
I say no as he's not stupid and knows he may alienate more voters there than he gains.
If Hillary does win the Democratic nomination it will be good fortune for the Republican Party as they'll all unite to fight her as this LA Times article suggests:
GOP BASE SCATTERS TO RIVAL CAMPS
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gop2jan02,0,2826395.story?coll=la-home-nation
Hillary is a chamelion focusing her style to a particular audience
which a lot of people find cynical just like her abandoned forced laughter.
Huckabee is appealing to people's Christian faith which is more exclusionary
than a regional accent. People of other faiths, or no faith will say he's not really interested in my vote or he wouldn't be so in your face with the emphasis on religion.
We'll see if he uses the same MO in New Hampshire which has a lot more moderate voters.
I say no as he's not stupid and knows he may alienate more voters there than he gains.
If Hillary does win the Democratic nomination it will be good fortune for the Republican Party as they'll all unite to fight her as this LA Times article suggests:
GOP BASE SCATTERS TO RIVAL CAMPS
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gop2jan02,0,2826395.story?coll=la-home-nation
Rather large generalization
Not in America...
You forget this is a nation founded on Christian values and principles
That seems to be reading into it quite a bit...
Remember, this is the primaries. Gotta appeal to the base, not the moderates
True; kinda the reverse of the last prez election (all Kerry's votes were mostly "anti-Bush", or "ABB" votes)
ford nut
Local nut case
You wanted one I gave you one. you want a older one here.
Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, asks in an upcoming article, ''Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?''
Who gives a $hit ? I don't .....the bible thumpers in Iowa must I guess.
He can ask god all he wants that dosen't mean I want to hear about it.
Interesting how religious tolerance should only go one way, according to some in this country...
Athiests don't have to tolerate Christians, but Christians must go out of their way to accomodate (much more then tolerate) athiests.
Athiests don't have to tolerate Christians, but Christians must go out of their way to accomodate (much more then tolerate) athiests.
Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, asks in an upcoming article, ''Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?''
Who gives a $hit ? I don't .....the bible thumpers in Iowa must I guess.
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fordnut may be a bit intemperate here but in essence he seems to be saying that Huckabee is manipulating his evangelical base.
As a professional Christian minister he surely could have
looked up Mormonism in 10 seconds and answered his own question:
To wit...
The authoritative Encyclopedia of Mormonism, published in 1992, does not refer to Jesus and Satan as brothers. It speaks of Jesus as the son of God and of Satan as a fallen angel, which is a Biblical account.
A spokeswoman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Huckabee's question is usually raised by those who wish to smear the Mormon faith rather than clarify doctrine.
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Huckabee has made other speak before you think gaffes,
The Pakistanis being the second largest group of illegal immigrants on the Mexican border ( reacting to the Bhutto assasination) as the latest example.
Since we live in the here and now I think fordnut and a lot of other moderate people want to hear more policy and less faith speak from Huckabee.
It seems Huckabee's faith is his strong suit but he seems not ready for prime time when he talks about national governance and foreign policy.
Jokes and affability will only take him so far.
Who gives a $hit ? I don't .....the bible thumpers in Iowa must I guess.
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fordnut may be a bit intemperate here but in essence he seems to be saying that Huckabee is manipulating his evangelical base.
As a professional Christian minister he surely could have
looked up Mormonism in 10 seconds and answered his own question:
To wit...
The authoritative Encyclopedia of Mormonism, published in 1992, does not refer to Jesus and Satan as brothers. It speaks of Jesus as the son of God and of Satan as a fallen angel, which is a Biblical account.
A spokeswoman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Huckabee's question is usually raised by those who wish to smear the Mormon faith rather than clarify doctrine.
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Huckabee has made other speak before you think gaffes,
The Pakistanis being the second largest group of illegal immigrants on the Mexican border ( reacting to the Bhutto assasination) as the latest example.
Since we live in the here and now I think fordnut and a lot of other moderate people want to hear more policy and less faith speak from Huckabee.
It seems Huckabee's faith is his strong suit but he seems not ready for prime time when he talks about national governance and foreign policy.
Jokes and affability will only take him so far.
ford nut
Local nut case
No I what I said was
Is this pointed at me shagdrum ?
Not really; though your comment did spark the train of thought that lead to that comment.
trust me, If I was aiming at you, you wouldn't have any question on that (think "subtle as a freight train").
You don't live in Iowa but nevertheless you apparently care enough to complain because you're obviously anti-Christian.
The answer to the Mormon question posed by Huckabee is "yes", which no doubt he already knew the answer. He was obviously trying to persuade Christians who might vote for Romney to vote for him as someone with more mainstream Christian/biblical beliefs.
I was quoting fordnut MAC1
It's a free (mostly) country.
Religious people don't bother me and I don't bother them.
Bush and the evangelicals haven't forced me to go to church or interefered with my life.
I'm just always wary of the politician who hides his shortcomings by invoking God.
Then I stand corrected and apologize for attributing fordnut's statement to you.
I don't think a candidate that talks about God or Jesus is necessarily trying to hid shortcomings. A July 2007 ABC News poll found that 83% of Americans identify themselves as Christian. Huckabee isn't trying to hid anything, rather, he's trying to appeal to both evangelical and mainstream Christians. I'm sure you would agree that it's highly unlikely that a politician, much less a presidential candidate, could hid shortcomings--There is no such thing in today's political arena.
Huckabee is flawed like all of us.
He seems less than informed when commenting on international events.
Some Republicans call him a liberal in disguise and soft on criminals.
Politics is war (where all attacks are fair) except you can get killed many times.
Time will soon tell if Huckabee can take the fire and impress more than his base.
A few from the cartoonists:
He seems less than informed when commenting on international events.
Some Republicans call him a liberal in disguise and soft on criminals.
Politics is war (where all attacks are fair) except you can get killed many times.
Time will soon tell if Huckabee can take the fire and impress more than his base.
A few from the cartoonists:
That 83% includes a whole spectrum from lapsed non practicing Christians who see the inside of a church only for baptisms, weddings and funerals, people who's parents are/were Christian so they say they're Christian if asked, to the devout evangelicals for whom Christianity is a large part of their identity.
I read somewhere that only about 40% attend church regularly so we're talking about a very disparate group here.
I read somewhere that only about 40% attend church regularly so we're talking about a very disparate group here.