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[JohnnyBz00LS]

...your still around?!

Just driving through the 'ol hood.......... Works been too busy to waste time in here, just had a slow couple of days here. Thought I'd stop by and say HI, seeing as I'm so missed around here:

Kind of getting on my nerves if you know what I mean.

Seems I'm not the only thing getting on your nerves driving you over the edge recently, even "Percy" has had to warn you to put the pipe down a few times. Good luck with that, Bryan.

Anyhow, I've been getting a kick out of watching the GOP ticket, and the party in general, crumble around your feet. Everytime I see McShame flip-flop I think about you guys clinging to your only hope. Kinda comical how you've come around, a year or so ago none of you like McShame, and I actually had some amount of respect for the guy. But about the time he voted AGAINST veterans benefits (TREASONOUS!!) and started fully embracing BuSh and his policies (good bye "Maverick"), all of a sudden he became the sweetheart of the RWWs and the GOP. Sad. And to think all it took was a sweety-pie in a swimsuit from Alaska to get "Percy" on board the McShame train, despite that big void between her ears.

 

[fossten]

Works been too busy to waste time in here...

Seems I'm not the only thing getting on your nerves driving you over the edge recently, even "Percy" has had to warn you to put the pipe down a few times. Good luck with that, Bryan.

Kind of hard to believe you're not lurking if you are aware of what's going on around here...

I never thought I'd say this, but Mick's posts have more integrity and substance than yours.

 

[Calabrio]

Palin clearly won the debate.
Because, if you discount all the bold faced, disgusting lies, Biden made- he scored ZERO debate points.

 

[napoleon1072]

Palin clearly won the debate.
Because, if you discount all the bold faced, disgusting lies, Biden made- he scored ZERO debate points.

Biden won and Palin lost...... That fact that so many of you believe Palin managed to hold her own during the debate astounds me. The only thing she managed to achieve other then saying heck and Alaska in most answers and winking at the camera a few times, is proving that Biden is an intelligent man with the facts. Hello Obama...... so long MC Maverick

 

[foxpaws]

Best debate point, just as a good debate point - listen to Palin's 'maverick' statements all night, smile accordingly and then, at the end, zing 'em with this... a majority vote of the sake blow-out party 10 (8 Rs and 2 Ds) to 2 (both Rs)...

Can I respond to that? Look, let's talk about the maverick John McCain is. And again I love him, he's been a maverick on some issues but he's been no maverick on things that a matter people's lives. He voted four out of five times for George Bush's budget which put us half a trillion in debt this year and over three trillion in debt since he got there.

He has not been a maverick in providing healthcare for people. He voted against including another 3.6 million children in coverage of an existing health care plan in the United States Senate.

He's not been a maverick when it comes to education. He has not supported tax cuts and significant changes for people being able to send their kids to college, he's not been a maverick on the war, not been a maverick on virtually anything that generally affects the things people really talk about around the kitchen table. Can we get mom's MRI? Can we send Mary back to school next semester. We can't make it. How will we heat the house this winter? He even voted against what they call LIHEAP, for assistance for people with oil prices going through the roof in the winter. So a maverick he is not, on the important critical issues that affect people at the kitchen table.

Whether you agree or not, isn't the point - it was a brilliant tact to take, well planned and fairly well executed.

 

[Kbob]

I turned the tv off right after the debate and I haven't watched any news since. I know what I saw and I don't need some talking head explaining how so and so won. The debate last night was pretty even, imo.

At the beginning, Palin had a lock of hair that was right in her eyelid and it caused her hair to bounce every time she blinked. It was driving me crazy. But about a third of the way through she fixed it. After the debate Palin thanked Ifell for something. From the sound of the conversation, it seemed that Ifell was the one that motioned to Palin to move her hair out of her eye, so good on Ifell. I also noticed that Biden had the last word most of the time, but it wasn't due to him wanting it. It was due to Ifell going back to him and letting him rebut more often than she did Palin. I think Palin was cut-off twice by Ifell and Biden wasn't at all, though I may be wrong on that. But, I will say that Ifell did seem to be pretty fair overall. She was much better than Lehrer. I give her a B+.

For Palin, she did great. I thought the same thing about her asking to call him "Joe", then the line came about an hour into the debate. That was a good setup. And the point about Biden and Obama needing to look ahead instead of finger-pointing to the past was also good. She looked at Biden when she was in her disarming, confrontational mode (if there is such a thing). She carried herself very well and had well-rehearsed answers for everything. One more good punch she got in was about the Obama-Biden timeline "exit strategy" in Iraq. She called it a "white flag of surrender." BAM!

Biden did a good job, too. He also carried himself well. The one good shot I recall he got in was right after Palin used the "Maverick" term one too many times. He pounced on it and went through a list of things that McCain was not a maverick in. He also showed some real emotion when speaking about the tragedy his family suffered.

I'm calling this debate a draw. This is just one man's opinion.

 

[TheDude]

Palin clearly won the debate.
Because, if you discount all the bold faced, disgusting lies, Biden made- he scored ZERO debate points.

Curious, did Palin not lie, or twist-the-facts on questions? There were several times she answered a question with a different topic response, that didn't raise a flag for you?

 

[shagdrum]

He voted four out of five times for George Bush's budget which put us half a trillion in debt this year and over three trillion in debt since he got there.

You do know that Bush doesn't hold the purse strings, right? That is Congress. So to say it was "Bush's budget" is misleading...

Also, what spending precisely put us in debt? While you may want to assume it was for Iraq and the War on Terror, you cannot prove that. There are other things that the government spends much more money on that it has no business spending it on, Welfare, Medicare and Medicaid, for instance. Ultimately trying to prove this issue is going to come down to a matter of priorities in the budget, that neither side can convince the other on.

Besides, do you really wanna prioritize welfare and entitlements over national security?

He has not been a maverick in providing healthcare for people. He voted against including another 3.6 million children in coverage of an existing health care plan in the United States Senate.

Another misleading statement. He voting against what would have been an expansion of an existing program. Besides, it isn't the government's business to provide healthcare to people. Again, it comes down to priorities...

He's not been a maverick when it comes to education. He has not supported tax cuts and significant changes for people being able to send their kids to college,

Again, priorities. Why should the government be responsible for someone's college education?

he's not been a maverick on the war

What?! He called for the surge before Bush did!

Can we get mom's MRI? Can we send Mary back to school next semester. We can't make it. How will we heat the house this winter?

Again, you are assuming quite a bit here. Government has no roll to play in those areas, yet you assume that they do. In fact, in a number of your examples, government "intervention" is what has made those areas bad in the first place.

Medicare and Medicaid drive up the cost of healthcare...
Government regulation and policy drove up the cost of heating a house...

All you have demonstrated is that McCain doesn't hold the same political priorities and assumptions that you, and most of the far left do. That hardly proves that he is not a "maverick"...

 

[shagdrum]

The only thing she managed to achieve other then saying heck and Alaska in most answers and winking at the camera a few times, is proving that Biden is an intelligent man with the facts.

Intelligence does not equal good judgement, character, leadership or wisdom. I will take a wise person with good judgement over an intelligent person any day.

 

[fossten]

He voted four out of five times for George Bush's budget which put us half a trillion in debt this year and over three trillion in debt since he got there.

You will note that McCain has a history of opposing his own party when he thought it was the right thing to do, whereas Barack Obama voted with the Democrats in the Senate 96% of the time. Then he picks a 36-year Senate dinosaur, who reeks of the old guard, old ways of Washington. Change? Not hardly.

 

[foxpaws]

You do know that Bush doesn't hold the purse strings, right? That is Congress. So to say it was "Bush's budget" is misleading...

Whether you agree or not, isn't the point - it was a brilliant tact to take, well planned and fairly well executed.

I was just quoting the debate - as a point of debate.. not a item on which I stated that I agreed.

Nice debating technique by Biden...