Tranny trouble!

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I've searched a bit on this but thought I'd try to get a definite answer. Some times when I'm goin 35-40 mph and put my foot in it, and it dumps first, she'll hold it fine up to around 4500-4750, and then she goes nuetral till I take my foot out then she'll slam second. Note it's a first gen with a trans go shift kit and a 2500 stall dacco converter. It didn't do this when it was first rebuilt, and it only does this when it's warmed up and hot out. And it doesnt do this all the time either, just occasionally. Any feedback will help. :eek: also mercon 5
 
Shift kit is a good one, ran lots of em and they back a good warranty on the rest of the tranny if their part causes it.what about an accumulator or something.
 
also have q transgo, and have not had any issues over 2 years now actually love the way it shifts-but you should have a trans cooler.
 
Thats almost the same set up I'm running. Which kit did you do, will it hold and down shift at any rpm. Will it do this if you manually shift. Does it happen at the same rpm every time.

I also think the trans go is a good product. Friend that got me the kit works in a trans shop for the last 9 years. Every rebuild in thier shop get a trans go kit. They sware by them. Also use dacco, reliable and stand by thier products.
 
It doesnt happen if I manually downshift, and its usually around the same rpm every time. I remember back in the day everyone said J-mod and run mercon 5 and ...................... thats where I go blank
 
Here is what Jerry said if you can "see" that thread.

"First IÃll cover the seperator plate changes in the transgo shift kit.
Hole #1 and 1A
Hole #1 is a damping orifice for the converter clutch control valve. This hole damps the
output of the converter clutch solenoid. That solenoid is only an On/Off solenoid, it
controls pressure output by tuning on and off very fast. The more on time, the more
pressure, the more off time the less pressure. This is called pulse width modulated,
or PWM. They recommend opening this hole to .067î from itÃs current size of .050î.

I do not recommend any change to this hole. As I said, this solenoid turns on and off
very fast and the output goes from 0 psi to 55 psi. This hole dampens the peaks and
valleys from the output of the solenoid to provide a smooth signal to the converter
clutch control valve. If this hole is too big, then the valve will start to respond
to the on/off pulsations, giving an unstable system.


Hole #1A is the feed to the solenoid. Currently itÃs .100î in production, so there is
no need to change this (this hole was recently added).

Hole #2
This is the intermediate clutch feed orifice. I go over this in my article. I recommend
.081î, .100î and .125î for low, medium and high power applications. They recommend .067î,
.094î, and .125î. For the most part we are pretty close. The low setting, .067î, isnÃt
much different than production. Starting in 1996 this orifice went to .063î, I doubt
there is much noticeable difference in .004î.

Hole #3
They recommend not changing this hole. This is the direct clutch feed orifice. They
recommend no change because they want you to remove the check ball. IÃll cover this
later.

Hole #4
This is the OD servo feed. It should already be at .150î in production, and they
recommend no change and either do I.

Hole #5
This is the forward clutch exhaust. They recommend not changing this as well. I
disagree. You guys with 1994/95 cars want to open this orifice to get rid of the
sag, or hesitation, at the 3-4 shift. [/B

Hole #6


Hole BR
This is the feed for the OD servo release. They recommend at least an 1/8î or a slot
OK. Most all of your cars will already be a slot. This is not a problem.

Hole A,B,C
These are recommend to be .093î. Holes A and B in any 4R70W will already be this big
or bigger. The early AODEÃs (1992-1993) have some smaller holes. So these do nothing
for our cars. Hole C is the power off forward clutch feed. I recommend different sizes
based on power, but .093î is OK.

Hole AC1,2,3
AC1 is the backpressure feed for the 2-3 accumulator. This is used on 3-2 downshifts.
Most all should be .125î already, and they recommend .125î
AC2 is the 1-2 accumulator feed and itÃs never been smaller than .160î so I donÃt know
why they even mention it.
AC3 is the bottom of the 2-3 accumulator. This is also used on 3-2 downshifts. Again,
most of your cars should be at least .200î, they recommend at least .125î, and I agree.

Hole R
I think they meant this to be the reverse clutch feed, but itÃs not. ItÃs a feed to the
reverse clutch, but has never been less than .125î. They recommend .093î



EPC Relief Valve (Page 3)
They say this valve corrects (extreme line pressure due to electrical malfunction, stuck
EPC valve, or crossleaks.î I would under no circumstances EVER do this. We have never
seen any pressure spikes that have caused any damage. ThatÃs not exactly true, in 1995
there were less than 50 failures from pressure spikes, but we fixed the problem. This
valve would not have prevented damage in those cases.

The reason I donÃt recommend this is that if that valve ever gets anything stuck in it
and opens, you will fail the trans. It will cause a large line pressure leak. It doesnÃt
solve a problem, but creates the potential for disaster. Again, I have never seen
pressure spikes that this would prevent damaged caused by them.


Valves (page 4)
Step 1 and Step 2
All these changes allow the trans not to upshift out of manual low into second and allow
you to get every manual gear.

This is much better accomplished electronicly than with these mods. First off, if you
pull the lever into 2 at 120 mph it will go into 2. This is a bad thing. There are
values in the EEC that allow this and those should be used. [\B]


In addition to this, the pressure coming out of the solenoid pressure regulator valve
is raised (Step 1) to a higher pressure. This pressure should not exceed the 55 psi
from the factory.
The shift solenoids, which this valve supplies fluid too, do not work
the way you would think. There is always fluid flowing through the solenoids and the
solenoids must exhaust the fluid that goes to them when the solenoid is off. When the
solenoid is turned on, the exhaust path is stopped. If you provide too much pressure
to the solenoids, they will not be able to fully exhaust, especially cold. This could
cause the shift valves to start to drift one way or the other. I realize they change
the 1-2/2-3 shift valve spring, but they donÃt change the 3-4. Both shift solenoids
supply pressure to the 3-4 shift valve. Each solenoid alone doesnÃt have enough pressure
to move the valve, in production. But since the pressure is raised, the 3-4 shift valve
could move.

Step 3
This is the converter clutch control valve. This is a very sensitive control system
and requires a very fine balance between all itÃs parts. I doubt they have done the
development we have to make a good control system. I wouldnÃt mess with the valve at
all. I do recommend the stiffer spring for 1995 and older cars.
(I didnÃt put this in
the Thesis because springs arenÃt serviced seperatly)


Step 4
The main regulator valve has the land removed that regulates the flow/priority system.
If you go to my article, I donÃt recommend this for the reasons mentioned in the article.

The main regulator valve spring raises line pressure across the board about 20 psi.
This change is OK and doesnÃt pose any problem.

More Valves (page 5)
I havenÃt actually seen the new manual valve so I donÃt know what it does.

The Taper spring (step 3) is a further mod to override the EEC and give you the gear
you select. See above for my opinion.

Step 1
The 3-4 capacity modulator valve spring. They include a stiffer spring. This will make
the 3-4 shift softer. In production starting in 1996, we actually lowered the load of
this valve.

Low Valve. This is a higher spring load than production. This wonÃt really accomplish
too much other than making the manual 2-1 firmer. It will still have the delay (or
neutral feeling), but will be firmer when it comes on. This change is not a problem.

ACCUMLATORS
IÃll only address the new style piston. I donÃt know the spring loads so I canÃt really
comment on much, but IÃll give it a shot.

As you add spring load to the bottom spring, the start pressure of the accumulator
lowers, making a softer shift. They have you put a washer in the bottom, in my opinion
the wrong way.
The solid spring is similar to taking the spring out. I suspect that the
solid springs limits the accumulator stroke (or travel). This is something that I do not
recommend. Your better off with a light spring load or no spring.


The ball removal
This ball removal makes the direct clutch feed orifice .160î, the size of the ball hole.
Like I said in the thesis, leave all the balls in. Taking this out will give you firm 2-3
shifts, maybe too firm for some (IÃm getting older) but the backout or partial backout
shifts will be very harsh. This harshness could result in driveline damage (U-Joints)

For firmer 2-3 shifts your better removing the spring and drilling the hole.


Overall
Overall I think the kit has some good things and some bad things. I donÃt like the major
reworking of the shift valve/solenoid pressure regulator stuff to give you every gear
manually. IÃd much rather do this in the EEC, you can still have protection from
over-reving and not have the compromises.
And, every once in a while, I see a car

with this kit that just does not work due to all the valve replacement.

I donÃt like the main regulator valve, again gets back to the priority circuit.

Most of the holes are OK but if you have a 1996 or newer trans, you wonÃt be changing
many of them anyway.


If youÃve put one in your car, IÃd like to see the production main regulator valve put
back in, the ball put back in and the feed orifice opened. You donÃt have to remove the
manual shift stuff as long as you donÃt move the lever when you are too high of a speed,
sometimes that lever is tempting. IÃd also like to see the EPC relief valve removed, but
that requires a whole new valve body to fix.
"
 
Well thats all nice to know but still doesnt answer my ?. Is there an accumulator spring or something that should be updated in my first gen? I remember something along those lines being said once. Thank you for all the info. And also mine shifts hard as hell and I love it.
 
Ford charged me over $60 for the 2 springs and piston. That turned out to be a waste of money. But yes, you do have them and the hardest part about the swap is removing the pan and dealing with that snap ring holding the piston and springs in. Not all that bad. Didn't fix my problem but we don't have the same problem.
 
Some times when I'm goin 35-40 mph and put my foot in it, and it dumps first

in a base model mark 8 with 307 gears at 35-40 you could easily be in 4th gear.
DO NOT do a WOT 4-1 shift
make sure you have the OD turned off

you can "take it or leave it" with the above advice

If you "leave it", I predict a "my car randomly neutrals out" thread or a "I only have 2nd gear" thread approaching.

Keep "hotrodding" that first gen trans and it's gonna bite ya in the Azz bro.
 
Those forced down shifts to 2nd or 1st from 4th gear will definitely shorten the life of the tranny no matter what kit is in it. Any cruising around under 45 mph with down shift potential should be done with the OD button on off, and even avoiding a 2nd gear slam at higher speeds.
 

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