Tax Day Tea Party?

[Black87LSC]

What does everybody think about this?

 

[MonsterMark]

Go to one and let your voice be heard. Unless, of course, you prefer socialism and the government taking all your money and then telling you what you get to live on. If that is the case, then by all means, stay home and keep the blinds closed.

 

[fossten]

Tea parties are interesting, but they're just protests. Protests generally don't accomplish jack. No offense to those going. I'm sort of glad to see people getting pissed off for a change.

 

[foxpaws]

Bryan, take pictures - I want to do a count of old white guys in the crowd...

 

[Calabrio]

Bryan, take pictures - I want to do a count of old white guys in the crowd...

Do they not count, do you only count paid, minority protesters organized by ACORN?

Or are you just looking for a sugar daddy?

 

[foxpaws]

Do they not count, do you only count paid, minority protesters organized by ACORN?

Or are you just looking for a sugar daddy?

Just curious - Rick Santelli sort of called for it - and it seems to be gaining momentum with old white guys... checking out 'turn-out' with how it compares to where the Republican party might be heading - since Newt seems to be interested in holding the reins again.

And always looking for a sugar daddy Cal - are you volunteering? Tryouts later this month....

 

[Calabrio]

Just curious - Rick Santelli sort of called for it - and it seems to be gaining momentum with old white guys... checking out 'turn-out' with how it compares to where the Republican party might be heading - since Newt seems to be interested in holding the reins again.

Santelli wasn't an original voice when he gave his off-the-cuff rant on CNBC. Personally, I think the "tea party" association, while easy to cling to actually hurts the message, making it easier for you Progressives to dismiss and ridicule.

But most importantly, the Tea Parties ARE NOT Republican events.

Unless you're saying that common sense, love of country, and adherence to the constitution are purely "Republican" traits. There are Democrats who embrace these things, and there are certainly Republicans in government who clearly don't appear to.

These events are not partisan.

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

What does everybody think about this?

Unless you make more than $250K / year, you would be an idiot and hypocrite for going to one.

 

[foxpaws]

Santelli wasn't an original voice when he gave his off-the-cuff rant on CNBC. Personally, I think the "tea party" association, while easy to cling to actually hurts the message, making it easier for you Progressives to dismiss and ridicule.

But most importantly, the Tea Parties ARE NOT Republican events.

Unless you're saying that common sense, love of country, and adherence to the constitution are purely "Republican" traits. There are Democrats who embrace these things, and there are certainly Republicans in government who clearly don't appear to.

These events are not partisan.

I have graduated to progressive? What happened to my Marxist nomer?

I basically first heard these protests from Santelli – the ‘Tea Party’ reference. I don’t know who would have been calling for them before, sorry, wasn’t interested enough to go back further.

I know it isn’t a ‘Republican’ event or issue, I didn’t say it was in my post. I said I would like to compare the turn out at these ‘tea parties’ and then look at upcoming events/calls to action that the Republican party sponsors in the future (where they are heading). I wonder if they will buy the lists that the organizers have? I do think that the Republican party is watching these events closely – they need new voters, and these events would be a good place to start. Disgruntled people.

I used Newt – because, if that is where the party is going to remain – old white guys, it would be interesting to see if the demos at the protests are matching up to a Republican party that would be faced by Newt. If the protests are largely white males or even white females over 45, then, Newt would have a better chance of appealing to those people, and the party might be interested in using him again.

 

[Calabrio]

Unless you make more than $250K / year, you would be an idiot and hypocrite for going to one.

I disagree.
But since you made the point, explain why.

 

[Calabrio]

I have graduated to progressive? What happened to my Marxist nomer?

Which do you consider yourself?

I basically first heard these protests from Santelli – the ‘Tea Party’ reference. I don’t know who would have been calling for them before, sorry, wasn’t interested enough to go back further.

Santelli certainly got the most attention and very well have stimulated the movement's imagery- but he wasn't the first person to use that imagery. It's a pretty common used, and misused, image.

I know it isn’t a ‘Republican’ event or issue, I didn’t say it was in my post. I said I would like to compare the turn out at these ‘tea parties’ and then look at upcoming events/calls to action that the Republican party sponsors in the future (where they are heading). I wonder if they will buy the lists that the organizers have?

Some organizers have lists, the vast majority don't.
Who says they are for sale.

I do think that the Republican party is watching these events closely – they need new voters, and these events would be a good place to start. Disgruntled people.

I actually think the Democrats are watching these events far more closely, hence the increased efforts to ridicule and dismiss the events- and according to some reports, disrupt.

I used Newt – because, if that is where the party is going to remain – old white guys, it would be interesting to see if the demos at the protests are matching up to a Republican party that would be faced by Newt. If the protests are largely white males or even white females over 45, then, Newt would have a better chance of appealing to those people, and the party might be interested in using him again.

If the country is going to remain, these protests, and better organized and conceptualized ones in the future, need to appeal to constitutionally minded and fiscally responsible loyal Americans with common sense across party lines. It has nothing to do with the Republican party.

 

[Calabrio]

Tea parties are interesting, but they're just protests. Protests generally don't accomplish jack. No offense to those going. I'm sort of glad to see people getting pissed off for a change.

When people are inundated with by the messages of the mainstream media, it's easy for them to fall under the false impression that they are alone. That they are a minority voice. An event like the national Tea Party, while building a sense of community, can also demonstrate to the silent majority that they aren't a lone voice and that often helps people find the confidence to act on it or express it.

The event may be a clumsy first step, but it's a baby step forward.

 

[foxpaws]

Which do you consider yourself?

I don’t particularly like labels – Liberal Art Tart is the one I use when pushed.

Some organizers have lists, the vast majority don't.
Who says they are for sale.

Everything has a price . But, most of the organizing for the ‘tea parties’ seems to have been on the internet – I would imagine there are pretty decent email lists that could be bartered…

I actually think the Democrats are watching these events far more closely, hence the increased efforts to ridicule and dismiss the events- and according to some reports, disrupt.

Dems are watching too – I think both sides are watching closely – different reasons – but both sides are watching. If the Republicans aren’t watching, and acting on this, well, let’s just say it isn’t surprising they lost last time. Hopefully they have learned some lessons, and are actively looking at how they can exploit this.

If the country is going to remain, these protests, and better organized and conceptualized ones in the future, need to appeal to constitutionally minded loyal Americans across party lines. It has nothing to do with the Republican party.

Once again – I didn’t say that these protests had anything to do with the Republican party – I am saying that the party should perhaps look at this as a place to get some ideas on where they could be headed in the future.

Start ‘getting their act together’… as it were. These protests could be a good way to start doing some rebuilding for the party.

 

[Calabrio]

I don’t particularly like labels – Liberal Art Tart is the one I use when pushed.

So you're a progressive marxist who prefers to be called a "liberal art tart?"

Everything has a price . But, most of the organizing for the ‘tea parties’ seems to have been on the internet – I would imagine there are pretty decent email lists that could be bartered…

That's a lot of speculation on your part.

Dems are watching too – I think both sides are watching closely – different reasons – but both sides are watching. If the Republicans aren’t watching, and acting on this, well, let’s just say it isn’t surprising they lost last time. Hopefully they have learned some lessons, and are actively looking at how they can exploit this.

Hopefully, no one exploits it- they merely learn from it.

Once again – I didn’t say that these protests had anything to do with the Republican party – I am saying that the party should perhaps look at this as a place to get some ideas on where they could be headed in the future.

So should the Democrats.

These protests could be a good way to start doing some rebuilding for the party.

To hell with the party. These protests could be a good way to start doing something to repairing the country.

 

[foxpaws]

So you're a progressive marxist who prefers to be called a "liberal art tart?"

Tall, liberal art tart We can set aside the progressive marxist for now...

That's a lot of speculation on your part.

Actually not. I see 'movements' get mined for information all the time. This one won't be any different.

Hopefully, no one exploits it- they merely learn from it.

Learn from it, one hopes. Exploit it, one expects.

To hell with the party. These protests could be a good way to start doing something to repairing the country.

Well - that is where the Republican party is headed ... Note Foss's remarks. Protests generally don't accomplish jack. It seems like that has been the 'conservative' idea for a long time. They have made it a habit to underestimate...

Edit -

Welcome back Cal, I hope your move was uneventful, and things are better!

 

[Calabrio]

Welcome back Cal, I hope your move was uneventful, and things are better!

New York is not a place you want to be right now.
The federal government is out of control.
The state government is out of control, complete Democrat majority with Patterson as the governor.
And regionally, things are only economically getting worse.

Most smart people will be leaving. A few stubborn ones are holding out hope that Gulliani will run for Governor and turn the state around. Even if he could, that will take years and I don't have interest in sacrificing myself any longer to feed that that beast of government. The economy up there is devastated with the loss of collapse of banking, finance, and construction, it'll be a quite some time before that recovers- a recovery made longer every day based upon the ignorant policy decisions coming from D.C. and Albany.

 

[Black87LSC]

Unless you make more than $250K / year, you would be an idiot and hypocrite for going to one.

I strongly disagree, in my eyes it's not at all about how much money i make. Please, explain yourself...

 

[Black87LSC]

Tea parties are interesting, but they're just protests. Protests generally don't accomplish jack. No offense to those going. I'm sort of glad to see people getting pissed off for a change.

Yea, I agree with that to some degree.. But it could lead to something bigger with some sort of action behind it.

 

[fossten]

I used Newt – because, if that is where the party is going to remain – old white guys

Yeah, whatever.

 

[foxpaws]

So Bryan - did you end up going? I guess Denver's got about 5,000 to show up -

So, what is next - to do anything 'real' the protesters do need to get political... A new political party- or a strong arm segment within a party (sort of like the Christian Coalition in the Republican Party)?

Foss - Wow I just found out that Jabba the Hut was a Republican - well, I guess I have to expand old white guys to include old fat alien guys...

 

[Calabrio]

I don't think Jabba the Hut would be a Republican, though he may have gotten a brain tumor... I think he'd have gotten much farther in politics if not for crashing his sail barge into the great pit of Carkoon and leaving one of his slave girl to be slowly digested by the sarlacc over several thousand years while Jabba escaped.

However, Robert Byrd might very well be the emperor....

 

[fossten]

So Bryan - did you end up going? I guess Denver's got about 5,000 to show up -

So, what is next - to do anything 'real' the protesters do need to get political... A new political party- or a strong arm segment within a party (sort of like the Christian Coalition in the Republican Party)?

Foss - Wow I just found out that Jabba the Hut was a Republican - well, I guess I have to expand old white guys to include old fat alien guys...

Exactly what is the point of the Jabba picture? Did you just make that up?

Funny. I never saw you make fun of Code Pink or ACORN protesters, and I'm sure you never said a word of criticism over Cindy Sheehan's vigil. You're a hypocrite.

All, here are some pics from the Chicago tea party.

I like this one:

 

[foxpaws]

actually I did make fun of the code pink group - weird bunch, but apparently wilier than Republicans - they got into prime time at the GOP convention - but at the Dem convention (where they were out in force as well) their security was able to keep them away from the cameras.

And I have never mentioned Cindy Sheehan in anything - would you like to go after her Foss? Go ahead...

Oh, as far as your fat white guys post...

Cal...yes the evil emperor does bear an uncanny resemblance to Bryd, I never noticed. Perhaps this deserves some investigation...

 

[Calabrio]

The Tea Parties were remarkably successful.
The coverage by the media was very telling. It wasn't simply biased, it was dishonest and completely inaccurate.

If anyone had any doubt that the MSM has an agenda, this should have demonstrated it very clearly.

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

I strongly disagree, in my eyes it's not at all about how much money i make. Please, explain yourself...

A) A significant number of these protesters are merely spewing hate towards Obama and/or his proposals to increase income taxes on those making more than $250K/yr.
B) Obama has never proposed raising income taxes on families making less than $200K/yr, and in fact is proposing tax CUTS for those people.
C) Tax rates in effect this year are the result of the Bush administration, NOT Obama.
D) Even IF Obama gets his proposed tax hikes on those making more than $250K approved next year or the year after, the resulting rates will only be 3% higher than under Bush, and STILL lower than they were during the Reagan administration.
E) The last 8+ years of Republican-driven tax-cuts for the rich and the resulting crumbling of the economy have proven themselves to be a failed policy for a healthy economy for this country.
F) All the crys of "socialism" and complaints about "bail-outs" are mis-directed towards Obama when they were actually initiated during and by the Bush administration.