Stall converters....

lincoln00 said:
I beat the living :q:q:q:q out of mine... I ran straight pipes on that car as well... but throw a rod through the side of the block right around 97,000 miles
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haha me too. i should say "used" rather than beat since while I was not easy on it, i maintained the hell out of it. Mine had 150K on it when i got rid of it. at one point my insurance replaced the motor due to a flooded road incident. It wrapped like holy hell after but i still drove it to the ford place. I tried to grenade it and it wasnt having it. trans was making noise and didnt want to fix that either. i bought 3.73's for it but never put them in. so if you know anyone that is using the 8.8" rearend and wants ford racing gears still in the box, let me know! i should throw that in the for sale forum.
 
launch your car at 2500 RPM.... then launch it at 1000 RPM and tell me it doesnt bog!
 
ILLS said:
Getting 4.10 gears in these cars will not hurt drivability in the slightest. Before Jason and I did his 4.10's for his LS he was toying with the idea of only going with 3.73's just to play it safe for the reasons you just stated. After I convinced him with allot of talking and a rear end gear vs few trans gear vs engine rpm table he decided to go with the 4.10's. After we installed them he loved the results obviously. After he had gotten used to it a little bit he said that he could have probably went with a 4.56 rear gear and been ok, even for highway cruising speeds. Pretty much think of a 4.10 gear in the LS equating to a 3.73 gear in an older Mustang. The biggest difference is that these 3.9 engines are just so smooth running. 4.10's are nothing when it comes to drivability and manners for these cars.

The shift time in 4th gear will be minimal at worst. Shift time becomes pretty critical in a manual car where the driver has to row the gears. Not nearly as much critical in an auto. Not saying it doesn't factor in but it doesn't weight near as heavily as shift time in a manual.
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i agree.... shift time in these cars is damn near transparent!

ILLS said:
Level Ten has been offering builds for these transmissions for years now. As of two years ago they were able to hold about twice as much power than any LS has made to date on nitrous, turbo, or supercharger boost. It will hold up to ANYTHING anyone will almost ever throw at it in an LS. Unless someone gets REAL motivated and brings 25 grand to the table then I don't see anyone surpassing a power level that would be able to break anything in one of those Level Ten built 5R55S, N, W transmissions.
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EMPIRE LS has one... these things are beasts from what all my stang buddies are saying. However ILLS, once this move and everything is done, i think you are in for a surprise. I hope to destroy my tranny with that rebuild. just for the sake of having the power to do so!!!!!! LMAO

trilkb said:
heres my input...

A 05 mustang GT runs high 13's because its got 300hp and 320lb ft with a LSD, and i beleive a solid rear axel instead of IRS. these cars obviously dont. thats a factor lol.

I also dont see what a stall convertor would do for this car. Youd have to run slicks for sure. In just my experience to the track launching at a low RPM is the way to go. too high and youll just spin on street tires. The only reason id ever consider messing with the stall in these cars is if i had aftermarket camshafts.

4.10's and slicks would also be a reason that i MIGHT mess with it. But as the car sits traction is already and issue. the highest it can launch is probably perfect for slicks.

Youd also look pretty gay with slicks on a Ls and only running 14's, especially after you warm them up. Nitrous setups (if everything holds) i think could possible see high 12's with the added traction of slicks and a 125shot


theres better investments out there for the cost of a convertor, and there proven too. Nitrous would be one of them.

I myself have always wondered if anyone has ported the TB intake and heads yet.
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ok first.... i have a ported TB, and the inlet of the intake mani. heads may be coming, but this a 4v motor...they flow like crazy stock!. Now as far as your other comments, they leave thinking i either read your stuff wrong, or you actually believe a non LS racers comments. IRS being an issue is NOT the case! terminator guys run 9's on IRS. IRS with an auto (which we all have) is very capable of launching like a bat out of hell! As far what would a converter do for the car..... ever driven a stalled car? the launch is not the only gain! it keeps the car in its power band. LS1 camaro guys (similar power band vs gearing issues as us) stalled before gears dont see gains from gears. the ones who gear first then stall wish they stalled first. all this talk about high rpm launches on street tires, do you people ever use moderation? You have to launch as high as the car can handle..... stock you shouldnt be any higher than about 12-1300 rpm for these cars. even with nitrous you dont need slicks. try an LSD first.... then when you see that even a gen1 can rip 12's on just a 100 shot, debate your slicks then. If ILLS on turbo, MANY on nitrous, QUICK on SC, and 02LSE........ with 4.11's dont need slicks why the hell would a stock LS. you do win the prize for the most irritating me post of all time. its not that everything in there is wrong its i cant figure out if you actually believe it from your own racing, other people feeding you BS, or if you are being sarcastic and dont mean any of it.

cammerfe said:
To IlLS---
Stay tuned!! ;)
KS
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^^^ I'm with him! :D

lincoln00 said:
all i can say is the launch in these cars SUCK! I'm use to 4000RPM launches in my mach 1 on street tires and a 3.55 rear gear... And i know the 4:10's wont be an issue... just from the fact of the gear calculate i used... and have been experimenting with... I know a mustang gt has 300hp and 320 torque... my LS is rated at 280hp and 286 torque.... not that big of a difference...

Now when your talking Gen 1 that is a different story... you need to remember the Gen 2 has more power... I see this being a high 12 second car on gears, stall and the bottle no problem... Now dont tell me i wont hook on a IRS when 03 04 cobra mustangs are in the 9's on a IRS! and they have no wait over the wheels... It can BE done.. And i just might have to be the person to do it...

You say 4:10s will do nothing but spin... I don't think you have delt with cars that have had much power.. because getting 350 or 370 HP and trq to the ground is easily done.... Now if i was making 500HP that would be a different story...
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4:10 doesnt need slicks.... 100 shot doesnt need slicks. stalled with nitrous might. stalled nitrous and gears will rip tires. I would say nitrous then stall then gears then tires. You'll learn what the car can and cant do as you go through the list

lincoln00 said:
I know its going to need slicks thats a given... not arguing that...

I'm arguing this comment of you will look gay running 14's with slicks... 12's is pretty damn quick... maybe his first gen will stay in the 14's but once i'm done with this thing is will be in the 12s on the bottle gears and stall, daily driven!


I mean :q:q:q:q you can find lincoln mark viii third members on ebay all day long and on this forum with 4:10's already installed... then a couple hundred bucks to ills for the bracket for install and another couple hundred for a set of Gen 1 axles... shortin driveline and at the same time through in stall.... set of drag radials and i bet this car would pull a mid 13.. thats respectable to run slicks in my eye's
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gen1 on gears is done.... and very respectable. In fact I can think of an NA LS that will out do Jasons gen1.



my question is why is everyone to bypass making power? I agree with a converter helping these cars big time.... but to think that a converter alone means slicks..... no way!
 
sully, glad to see you back....
i got the fuel pump in yesterday. no issues so far.
 
ILLS said:
I have many years of dragracing mild to wild vehicles at various dragstrips around the country that says otherwise. Dropping the pressure will help some but a small burnout will too, even on streets.
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I'll add my years to that list!





the issue some people have with burnout boxes is lack of knowing chemistry. they lower their pressure and then roast the hell out of the tires bringing the pressure right back back up! heating the tires to get a better launch is one thin but dont over do it. Just like you cant mash the gas to the floor and launch, you have to use your head for more than a hat rack to race!
 
I could see some real traction issues with stall converter, and at that time I could see d/r being a definate need. 4.10s alone are fine as long as its not a slick track, maybe I could get more aggressive with d/rs but on the stock stall I don't see the point. On the streets no problems till it gets colder then I can get them going real good and can throw a donut easily. Once they salt and the streets get dusted with that, well its almost as bad as driving in the rain. Don't drive it much in winter though.
 
i think a stall and the bottle would be the best mod for the buck in my eye's
 
lincoln00 said:
i think a stall and the bottle would be the best mod for the buck in my eye's
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You will need an LSD BADLY with those mods. I would have to say bottle, then LSD and then Stall if you want to go that route.
 
bottle, then fuel pump and more bottle :p

although an xcal is desireable with any power adder for fine tuning and data logging.
 
02LincLS said:
bottle, then fuel pump and more bottle :p

although an xcal is desireable with any power adder for fine tuning and data logging.
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Bottle....spin your butt off....fuel pump....more bottle and spin your butt off even more... Pretty serious traction issues that will murder ET's once you are around 100shot or above; probably even on a Gen1 too. When I was running the nitrous on my Gen2 LS there was no way in heck that I was going to bother pushing anymore horsepower with it until I got traction with the power I already had. Once the nitrous hit that car spun like crazy even with the progressive controller. If I had stayed with nitrous an LSD would have been my very next mod. Then maybe DR's after that.

Some of the more basic mods are assumed to be done at that point. Though it is not necessary, CAI, tune, and maybe exhaust will probably already be done before digging in deeper with nitrous, stalls, or LSD rear ends.
 
kustomizingkid said:
I see... It is nice having an easy diff to get parts for... 8.8"s of win!
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The 8.8" diff itself will swap right into the LS rear end. The LS would have to keep their stocker gears though. Usually the LS's in question that are having bad traction problems are modded above just boltons. Most LS's with the regular boltons do not have many traction problems on a normal street or track.
 
The only LS I have ridden in is Jason with the 4.10's and tlock so I don't know what the regular ones drive like...
 
ILLS said:
Bottle....spin your butt off....fuel pump....more bottle and spin your butt off even more... Pretty serious traction issues that will murder ET's once you are around 100shot or above; probably even on a Gen1 too. When I was running the nitrous on my Gen2 LS there was no way in heck that I was going to bother pushing anymore horsepower with it until I got traction with the power I already had. Once the nitrous hit that car spun like crazy even with the progressive controller. If I had stayed with nitrous an LSD would have been my very next mod. Then maybe DR's after that.

Some of the more basic mods are assumed to be done at that point. Though it is not necessary, CAI, tune, and maybe exhaust will probably already be done before digging in deeper with nitrous, stalls, or LSD rear ends.
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Of course I can't get out at the track and mash the throttle, but with just a little ease on the throttle, you can avoid slipping. Remember your car with the 100 shot probably made the same power as mine will with the 125 shot. Even if you have to pedal it out of the hole, it will probably earn you up to .4 second quicker ET to have the extra power.

I was just sharing what I thought the best 2 mods were in my eyes. For rolling starts on the street where traction is not really an issue, these two things are cheap and deliver a lot of power. I wasn't knocking the LSD at all, in fact its one of the things I plan to do next.
 
LSD and 125 shot = buh bye!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ILLS hit it pretty dead nuts.... cai, tune, ex, nitrous, lsd, stall

if you want a bigger shot of nitrous.... id wait until after stalling her. I have the bigger shot, but i should have gone stall instead. there are many more advantages to stall over gears
 
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