Slime tactics

So, you are assuming that Mr Deville was referring to all slime tactics, and not just referring to the one in his first post - a never ending thread...

Too bad - I like winning:)
You have got to be kidding. So now I can't present a counter-example just because YOU say so? Or do you just realize you have no comment about my article?

By the way, it's part of internet etiquette not to start new threads if you can safely add a comment to an existing thread. You're introducing a new, very narrow rule, which is so much baloney. If you're correct, then we have to throw out every single comment that isn't directly about Deville's complaint. Including some of yours.

Oh, and what did you win?:rolleyes:

Don't troll, it isn't like you.
 
Just trying to understand the rules here - it seemed odd to be discussing a particular ad, and then wander off into the racists thing - I was confused (and long words Bother me):)

The racist card is a silly thing for the democrats to ever play, unless there is hard, irrefutable proof (and the Republicans aren't going to do that - McCain or Palin aren't racists) - and I haven't had the time to see what is going on in Kansas right now... But, I will look. I think if you noticed somewhere I said that Obama shouldn't have ever played the race card earlier in the campaign - it is a stupid thing to do.

But, now on to the more important things - winning and prizes...

Since I am not allowed to flirt - all my prize suggestions will go unsaid...;)
 
"Silly" and "stupid," eh? How about "dishonest?"

Obama's race-baiting surrogates (and Obama himself) need to remember that Hillary received more votes in the primary. Let's also not forget how the Democrats treated Clarence Thomas and Condoleezza Rice.
 
Abstinence by definition cannot lead to or promote more sex. Showing kids how to roll on a condom puts pictures in the minds of children and arouses their curiosity. You're either incredibly naive or deliberately obtuse.

And you've failed to make your case that McCain called Obama a pervert.

You're assuming that children seeing a condom will be (more) curious towards sex. What do you assume that seeing pictures and learning of STDs (all horrible, some lethal) will do to their curiosity?

Na, no one is trying to "teach kindergarteners sex before they can read."
 
I never said they did. I said that the unintended message from the program was that promiscuity was acceptable, and not taboo. They are two different things.

You are working with a strawman mischaracterization of my argument.

Actually, I was simply giving you my point of reference.

My point is irrelevant to that background. It is rather simple to see how kids will react in this situation, if you are objective and honest.

This article touches on some relevant facts...

For decades, "sex education" has been sold as a way to reduce teenage pregnancy and venereal disease. But incessant repetition is not a rational argument, whether for "sex education" or for generic "change."

Before propaganda against traditional values regarding sex was introduced into the public school under the label of "sex education" in the 1960s, both teenage pregnancy and venereal disease had been going down for years.

In 1960 the rate of infection for syphilis, for example, was only half of what it had been in 1950.

But teenage pregnancy and venereal disease were pictured as the problems for which "sex education" was the solution. In reality, the long downward trend in both not only ended, but rose dramatically, after new attitudes toward sex were promoted in the schools under the guise of educating students.

There are the result of ignoring any potential unintended consequences and basing change on soley good intentions and wishful thinking; a dramatic rising of both teen pregnancy and VD.

And make no mistake, that is what you are doing. You are trying to ignore the potential negatives and focus only on the good intentions and the rosy picture they create. Then you work to marginalize those who don't buy into your wishful thinking. Changed based in that kind of thinking is reckless, and leads to negatives consequences.


Again with that strawman angle? I was giving my "point of reference". Also, if the unintended message you speak of isn't promoting sex, what's the problem?

If your point is irrelevant, then you really have have nothing to base your position on. Just make (more) blank claims like "it is rather simple to see how kids will react." When in reality, you really have no proof that one, some or all the kids in a certain Sex Ed will receive this "unintended message" in the fashion you claim.

Your article is a farce, Sex Ed has nothing to do with "propaganda against traditional values regarding sex", repeat, Sex Ed doesn't promote (intentionally or unintentionally), sex sex before marriage or promiscuity. Teachers (if doing their job) do not intentionally or unintentionally tell children they should have sex.

I do have a question, in your view, what should be done then with Sex Ed in schools?
 
"Silly" and "stupid," eh? How about "dishonest?"

Obama's race-baiting surrogates (and Obama himself) need to remember that Hillary received more votes in the primary. Let's also not forget how the Democrats treated Clarence Thomas and Condoleezza Rice.

Certainly ill advised, dishonest - doubtful, I think that often things such as race, creed (as we have seen in other topics on this forum) get people excited and polarized. Obama isn't good in the heat of battle - and was very bad back then, you guys should be licking your chops when it comes to the upcoming debates.

And you are quoting Chris Mathews - not anyone working in the party (although, since you are going to do this anyway- obviously Chris Mathews' is on the party payroll - that disgusting liberal media). Please don't think that Chris Mathews speaks for Democrats - otherwise I might have to assume that Glenn Beck speaks for Republicans.

If you really want to get into candidates' racial prejudice in history - how far back am I allowed to go?
 
Ah, yes, another inner city run by the corrupt Democrat machine. What more needs to be said...

copout

Obviously nothing on this particular subject of the Sex Education Bill in Illinois - since we have now changed the subject

Get used to it, thats how it works here....fossten will just troll untill shag makes a reply...then its yea what he said. :rolleyes:

If you get him nailed down then the name calling starts.
Welcome to :V
 
I'm still finding this debate/bickering hard to believe.
 
Certainly ill advised, dishonest - doubtful, I think that often things such as race, creed (as we have seen in other topics on this forum) get people excited and polarized. Obama isn't good in the heat of battle - and was very bad back then, you guys should be licking your chops when it comes to the upcoming debates.
1. You just admitted that McCain/Palin aren't racist.

2. If it's not dishonest, then why is it ill-advised? If it's not a smear, then this should be a good tactic. After all, there's lots of evidence of the historic racism of Republicans...right? Right?

3. ~90% of blacks will vote for Obama

4. ~50% of whites will vote for Obama

5. Who's racist again?

6. Yes, I am salivating over the upcoming debates.
 
Of course McCain/Palin aren’t racists – I don’t think I ever said they were… I would imagine the number of ‘racists’ in the United States is a very tiny number. Equal opportunity, equal rights, the civil rights movement have all factored greatly into the overall atmosphere of ‘all men are created equal’ that we get to enjoy in this country…

Ill-advised by the party (Dems) to jump on this particular issue –

I didn’t say Republican candidates – I just said ‘candidates', it works both sides – as your links so succinctly point out. I was trying to point out what racism was really like in the past.

So, 90% of blacks will vote for Obama, 50% of whites will vote for Obama, probably in the area of 75% of Latinos will vote for Obama.

Not racist, who speaks to their concerns? If you live in a ghetto of Detroit, or a barrio of Los Angeles, which candidate will you probably vote for?

Obama’s voting strength lies within middle to lower income families – more minorities are in lower income families – they associate with the message – and, yes with the man.

I was at Invesco for the ‘speech’ (and on that thread about the speech that was posted today- the author of the linked article obviously was in some sort of time/space continuum), with a group of my friends who happen to be black. There really was a sense of finally the ‘Dream’ that Martin Luther King Jr. spoke of has finally come true – what a great statement about the lack of racism in this country.

Can you never walk in another man’s shoes?

Oh, I forgot, thank you for handing the election to Obama…
:)
 
Your statement is at odds with Barry's campaign, including his own statements.

You sound confused. I'm pointing out that you said that McCain/Palin aren't racist in order to point out the dishonesty of Obama and his surrogates when they accuse McCain of campaigning on Obama's race.

Again, let me be clear. Obama's campaign, he himself, and his surrogates, have been and are currently claiming that Republicans are racists and are going to try to use the color of Obama's skin as a reason not to vote for him.

Please don't dodge this question: Is there evidence that this is true?
 
and how many times do you need to read that I don't agree with this, the whole racial slur tactics from the Democrat machine - is it that much fun to find a Democrat that doesn't tout party philosophy or tactics all the time?

And I do want to clarify something - it has bothered me a bit. I said I was voting 'against' someone. I should actually say I am voting against someone's vision of America, and a party's philosophy. I personally think John McCain is a good man - in many ways he reminds me of my father.

Oh, your sig comes across, at least on my computer as I '♥' SARAH’CUDA

I bet it is suppose to be a heart, but on my computer (ah I do only use those rascally liberal Macs) it shows up as a vertical line - it seems like the character sets don't match...
 
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