Slime tactics

[TheDude]

Wait....
Are you actually claiming that teaching a kid how to use a condom doesn't promote promiscuity?:bowrofl:

No, it actually doesn't. Have you sat in a Sex Ed class? The teacher isn't telling kids how wonderful it is to have sex and showing them pronography, it's very dry and the STD pictures don't really drive the teen libido up.

 

[shagdrum]

So in learning how to spell cat and then naming the word after it's spelled, it isn't reading, okay.

Spelling is a pre-cursor to reading. Like walking before running. Kids don't start putting those words into sentences until the first grade.

 

[shagdrum]

No, it actually doesn't. Have you sat in a Sex Ed class? The teacher isn't telling kids how wonderful it is to have sex and showing them pronography, it's very dry and the STD pictures don't really drive the teen libido up.

I think you are in denial.

 

[TheDude]

Spelling is a pre-cursor to reading. Like walking before running. Kids don't start putting those words into sentences until the first grade.

Maybe in your school-district/state/area.

 

[TheDude]

I think you are in denial.

Have you sat in a Sex Ed class?

 

[fossten]

Have you sat in a Sex Ed class?

Have you? What grade? And what did they call the class, exactly?

 

[TheDude]

Have you? What grade? And what did they call the class, exactly?

In middle school (I believe 6th-7th grade), this dealt with general reproduction issues, ie sperm inseminates egg etc.

In High School, this dealt with contraception, preventitive measure, STDs etc. Funny thing, our teacher did say the only way to 100% avoid pregnancy and STDs was not having sex, as contraceptions and preventitive measures can/do fail.

They were called Sexual Education, Sex Ed.

I read up on the Bill some more, the issue with the younger children, Kindergarteners etc., is to teach them about sexual predators, molestation, saying no, running away, yelling for help etc., not teaching them about STDs, sex or contraception. Yeah, that add was a smear.

 

[shagdrum]

I read up on the Bill some more, the issue with the younger children, Kindergarteners etc., is to teach them about sexual predators, molestation, saying no, running away, yelling for help etc., not teaching them about STDs, sex or contraception. Yeah, that add was a smear.

as Fossten already pointed out earlier in this post:

Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K, six through 12; shall include instructions on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections including the prevention, transmission, and spread of HIV.​

Unless other parts of the bill are countering (or at least modifying) that part, it is allowing for the teaching of sex education to kindergardeners...

Teaching someone about "sexual predators, molestation, saying no, running away, yelling for help etc." is already done in preschool. It was taught to me when I was in kindergarden in Kansas in 1985. No need to write a bill to "allow" for that.

It is pretty clear that the purpose of this bill is to allow for sex education in all grades, K-12.

 

[fossten]

I think Deville is myopic in both the political sense and the clinical sense.

 

[TheDude]

I don't think either if you have a clue what a Sex Ed class covers. "Promote promiscuity."

 

[MonsterMark]

I don't think either if you have a clue what a Sex Ed class covers. "Promote promiscuity."

Gee, I have 4 kids from the ages of 3 to 13. I 'think' I know what is going on.

I just had my 6th grader the other day have one of his friends tell him about the 'sex ed' class at the local pubic school. They showed the 6th grade girls how to put a condom on! You have no problem with that?

No wonder the girls are constantly PM'ing or calling my boys at all hours. Girls are out of control. They are shown by Hollywood how to dress like a tramp. They are instructed by the tabloids how to give good head. And they are taught in the schools it is OK to have sex as long as you unroll the condom the correct way.

Give me a break. Me thinks DevilleNS doth protest too much.

 

[shagdrum]

I don't think either if you have a clue what a Sex Ed class covers. "Promote promiscuity."

I think it is rather clear you are in denial.

"myopic" is a good description, though I think it may be somewhat voluntary and/or intentional...

I think you may be unintentionally assuming a straw man mischaracterization here...

We have never claimed that sex education directly "promotes promiscuity". It does send the unspoken message that promiscuous behavior is ok, and thus, indirectly does promote promiscuty.

 

[foxpaws]

No wonder the girls are constantly PM'ing or calling my boys at all hours. Girls are out of control. They are shown by Hollywood how to dress like a tramp. They are instructed by the tabloids how to give good head. And they are taught in the schools it is OK to have sex as long as you unroll the condom the correct way.

Mr Monster - really? REALLY?

 

[fossten]

I must agree with Bryan here.

Let's not sugarcoat things. I have seen teenage girls making out with each other in school hallways just to tease the boys - because it's the "in" thing to do. Stories have been in the news about girls in high schools being expected to service the entire football team with "Lewinskys." And yes, they call them that.

Thanks, Bill Clinton.

 

[foxpaws]

So, let me see - you equate sex education in school with "out of control" girls texting your sons (at all hours)? And are boys affected by sex education in the same way - perhaps as Foss stated that they are expecting girls to "lewinsky-ize" the entire football team (how embarrassing this must be to the gay members of the football team), or once again is it the girls' fault, because of their promiscuous behavior, brought on once again by sex education?

 

[Marcus]

Coming from you guys, one might think they're trying to teach five year olds how to give a blowjob. Sorry to be blunt about it, but let's get real here.

You keep quoting that one section, but leave the sentence immediately preceding it, which is repeated in several other places:

(a) No pupil shall be required to take or participate in any class or course in comprehensive sex education if the pupil's his parent or guardian submits written objection thereto, and refusal to take or participate in such course or program shall not be reason for suspension or expulsion of such pupil.

Also:

(d) An opportunity shall be afforded to parents or guardians to examine the instructional materials to be used in such class or course.

Most importantly:

All course material and instruction in classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate.

Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the legislation does not MANDATE Sex Ed for K - 12 at all. It merely states what should be taught if it is. For example:

(b) All public elementary, junior high, and senior high school classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual activity or behavior shall emphasize that abstinence is an effective method of preventing unintended...

and:

and whenever such courses of instruction are provided in any of grades K through 12, then such courses also shall include age appropriate instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV AIDS.

 

[fossten]

Coming from you guys, one might think they're trying to teach five year olds how to give a blowjob. Sorry to be blunt about it, but let's get real here.

Marcus, Marcus, Marcus...

Tsk, tsk. Don't tell me you're falling for vague language and undefined terms again.

So tell me, who defines what is "age and developmentally appropriate," hmm?

 

[ford nut]

Gee, I have 4 kids from the ages of 3 to 13. I 'think' I know what is going on.

I just had my 6th grader the other day have one of his friends tell him about the 'sex ed' class at the local pubic school. They showed the 6th grade girls how to put a condom on! You have no problem with that?

Now we are supposed to believe what two 11 year olds are saying to eachother ? :bowrofl:
How about a link to back this up.
I didnt find anythig here about sex ed.
http://mpsportal.milwaukee.k12.wi.us/portal/server.pt/gateway/PTARGS_0_2_1953_0_0_18/blt_grade6.pdf

 

[ford nut]

So, let me see - you equate sex education in school with "out of control" girls texting your sons (at all hours)? And are boys affected by sex education in the same way - perhaps as Foss stated that they are expecting girls to "lewinsky-ize" the entire football team (how embarrassing this must be to the gay members of the football team), or once again is it the girls' fault, because of their promiscuous behavior, brought on once again by sex education?

LOL I wonder if Bristol Palin was there the day they played hide the banana
Humm I wonder if she learned how to do that her sweeetie wouldnt have a shotgun in the back of his head right now.
Heck they already made one mistake just as well make it two.

 

[fossten]

LOL I wonder if Bristol Palin was there the day they played hide the banana
Humm I wonder if she learned how to do that her sweeetie wouldnt have a shotgun in the back of his head right now.
Heck they already made one mistake just as well make it two.

You stay classy.

 

[foxpaws]

As far as I can see reading the bill (boy talk about strike outs... whew) there is nothing about 'requiring' schools to teach 'Family Life' (yep, that is what they called it when I was going to school), it appears that these are guidelines on what should be included IF sex education is taught in schools - and it is pretty clear that parents are able to 'opt-out' their children, without any detrimental effects.

19 (b) All public elementary, junior high, and senior high
20 school classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual
21 activity or behavior intercourse shall emphasize that
22 abstinence is an effective method of preventing unintended pregnancy...

Further in the law...

Family Life.
7 (a) If any school district provides courses of
8 instruction designed to promote wholesome and comprehensive
9 understanding of the emotional, psychological, physiological,
10 hygienic and social responsibility aspects of family life,
11 then such courses of instruction shall include the teaching
12 of prevention of unintended pregnancy and all options related
13 to unintended pregnancy...

 

[TheDude]

Gee, I have 4 kids from the ages of 3 to 13. I 'think' I know what is going on.

I just had my 6th grader the other day have one of his friends tell him about the 'sex ed' class at the local pubic school. They showed the 6th grade girls how to put a condom on! You have no problem with that?

No wonder the girls are constantly PM'ing or calling my boys at all hours. Girls are out of control. They are shown by Hollywood how to dress like a tramp. They are instructed by the tabloids how to give good head. And they are taught in the schools it is OK to have sex as long as you unroll the condom the correct way.

Give me a break. Me thinks DevilleNS doth protest too much.

I disagree, I don't you have any real idea what goes on in a Sex Ed class, just a knee-jerk reaction to "condom use".

They show the entire class, not just the girls how to properly put on a condom, i.e. don't cut the packet with a sharp object, as to render it obsolete. In no way are they saying "have sex and this is how you do it". Some kids are going to experiment, it's a natural desire, for those that don't listen to the "wait until your married or older", it's better for them to know about condom use then having unprotected sex, which could lead to unwed-teen pregancy and disease. The condom use is also just one small facet of Sex Ed, they deal more with STDs, which isn't an encouragement towards sex in any fashion.

Don't confuse Paris Hilton's antics (and the like) with Sex Ed in school, they're entirely different animals.

 

[TheDude]

I think it is rather clear you are in denial.

"myopic" is a good description, though I think it may be somewhat voluntary and/or intentional...

I think you may be unintentionally assuming a straw man mischaracterization here...

We have never claimed that sex education directly "promotes promiscuity". It does send the unspoken message that promiscuous behavior is ok, and thus, indirectly does promote promiscuty.

It's rather clear you have no idea what a Sex Ed class entails, because abstinence is part of the class and having sex isn't encouraged.

How does safer sex practices and STD education send an "unspoken message about promiscuity being okay?"

Some kids are going to experiment, no matter what the lesson (do you agree?), is it not better that they're safe(r) about it?

 

[TheDude]

I must agree with Bryan here.

Let's not sugarcoat things. I have seen teenage girls making out with each other in school hallways just to tease the boys - because it's the "in" thing to do. Stories have been in the news about girls in high schools being expected to service the entire football team with "Lewinskys." And yes, they call them that.

Thanks, Bill Clinton.

What does any of that have to do with Sex Ed in school? Like Bryan, you're mixing Paris Hilton's (and the like) actions with the Sex Ed school system.

 

[TheDude]

Double Post.