This was from my thread about ILLS disappearing. I asked if the issue sounds like fuel delivery, when it only happens when the tune is loaded, and goes away when the car is on stock tune:
Saying hello...and clearing a few things up.
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sorry pek, but sometimes you just have to be "very blunt" in order to get the point across..but I'm very glad at the "end of the day" you looked past my harsh blunt comments and actually got your issue resolved.. or atleast heading in the right direction.
palguy's more focused on my blunt harsh smack talk, than he is in fixing or solving the problem..
If I had the same problem I'd either
1. get a tune from someone else
2. chunk a fuel pump at it.
Knowing that #1 will likely yeild the same results unless the tuner starts off with a very very conservative approach with this vehicle since there are already a very public issue with it.
For instance.. I could easily see one of the other tuners out there..seeing this thread and putting a tune file together that didn't rape all the extra fuel out..
thus likely solving the issue...and becoming the "UBERTOONER" in palguy's eyes, when in fact he just hacked the tune rather than solving the problem.
Becareful what you wish for...
PetesSweets86
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Hey ILLS, what do you think of my new tune?
Lincoln Jealous
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wow, still on that huh
PetesSweets86
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that's what she said!
pagluy
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Yeah, heaven forbid I give a man my money to perform a service and he then provides that service. If ILLS had any issues with my questions he shoulda manned up and said so, but he didn't and that's OK. The only one butthurt about my tune not being fixed by the man I paid to do it is obviously XLRV.
And judging by his comments in this thread he's butthurt 24/7 so his bull is understandable.
pagluy
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LOL! To think that you'd pay a guy for a tune, find out something isn't right, and not go back to that guy for any answers whatsoever is a joke and a lie. That's 100% pure bull. You'll say anything to "prove" to us your "opinion" is the "right" one.
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i think the person providing the tune should be experienced enough to troubleshoot any issues after install on the preferred car, if they arent, they person who seeked the tune will have to take responsibility, you cant trust everything you hear or see now a days
I'm not saying your perception is wrong, it just "is what it is".
you didn't receive the service you thought you should have.
I'm not saying you didn't deserve more attention than you received either.
yes I talked some smack, added some witty banter to an otherwise "same ole same ole" MY TUNE IS BAD post.
What I am saying is, over the course of this issue you could have taken several steps to either diagnose, resolve or eliminate the issue.
You did NOTHING of the sort other than "piss and moan" about it on the internet.
and as I said before, I would have already done one or more things and this issue would have been far far behind me.
I've seen this same issue several times and have solved it several times with some simple troubleshooting.
you are absolutely correct..
I understand his reluctance/denial..
My car did the same thing almost 10 years ago.
I had issues with several chips, multiple vendors and my whole argument was "it runs fine without the chip/tune".
I could probably dig up posts from back then.. where "I" was palguy.
I pissed and moaned, never solved a thing.<---new sig quote anyone? *LMAO*
then a few months later sitting in the staging lanes waiting for round 1 of eliminations...my fuel pump completely died and the car didn't start.
I was wrong about my fuel pump, more experienced people told me several times.. they were right and I was wrong.. dead wrong.
Palguy, I'm sorry if my smack talk may have made you more resistant to solving your issue.
would that be 3K and up or 4ishK and and up?
can you plug the X2 into the data port and scroll down to "vehicle info" and then hit "select"
Then hit "read strategy" and hit select?
post it?
Hey refresh my feeble memory, on yours did you pull timing or add fuel?
If I remember correctly you pulled 2 degrees if timing between 4K-8K
Or.. did you add 10% fuel?
(puts on the dunce cap)
lol. Timing did next to nothing for me. I maxed it out at -6 (or -8, can't recall the exact maximum), for both upper rpm ranges. I think the 4-8K covers both. But it was right at about 4K when it was about to rattle.
Then I chunked 10% fuel at WOT. That really toned the rattle down.
Then I chunked 10% fuel at WOT. That really toned the rattle down.
10% fuel is a pretty small change in the grand scheme of things which tells me the tune file was very close if not perfect.
But either design variations or simple aging of parts created a little variance.
I do find it odd that pektel had user options enabled and palguy didn't.
I wonder if palguy just isn't finding the options?
But either design variations or simple aging of parts created a little variance.
I do find it odd that pektel had user options enabled and palguy didn't.
I wonder if palguy just isn't finding the options?
I'll hook up the tuner once I get home to confirm how much I changed the fuel. I am going by memory of something that happened months ago. I could very well be wrong.
I do know that the amount of fuel I added did not completely cure the issue, but did improve it.
I do know that the amount of fuel I added did not completely cure the issue, but did improve it.
I did bring the timing back to -2 degrees before messing with the fuel. I didn't want to mess with too many parameters at once.
And yeah, after messing around with the tune, I was wishing I knew more about it, and could fine tune it more. Maybe picking up the tuning software would not be such a bad idea...
And yeah, after messing around with the tune, I was wishing I knew more about it, and could fine tune it more. Maybe picking up the tuning software would not be such a bad idea...
Thats what I was thinking when I wrote this and saw his low miles. You said 75000 to 150000, pump is on its way out, I;m right there and There have been 2 guys who ran on low too long and the car would turn on, Busted their fuel pump so maybe pagluy did this too but it didn't completly ruin it just made it limp instead of running strong.
I guess my 300 that was pinging with a Predator tune has a bad fuel pump (at 15k) too?I was having the same issues with the canned tunes a few weeks ago. All cars react differently which is why it's best to spend the dough and have the car dyno tuned so you know everything is where it should be.
Dyno tune would be a good one too. But if you have a bad fuel pump, how are you going to get the best out of the dyno tune.They might tune it to where the rattle is gone but then it might not be the best your car can do. Its like someone telling you how to be the fastest runner in the world but you having sprainged ankle, wont help.PLanning onjumping on a dyno, after the ls runs good.
a dyno tune would help actually...
The problem exists due to the "fire and forget" nature of a "canned tune file".
A dyno tune will utilize a WB02 and will show these lean conditions, then the tuner will edit the tune to resolve the problem.
Canned tunes are just like buying a box off cookies off the shelf at the store, what you get is what you get.
Granted, putting a new fuel pump in before the dyno tune would definately give the best possibility of making the most power with the least risk to the motor.
The problem exists due to the "fire and forget" nature of a "canned tune file".
A dyno tune will utilize a WB02 and will show these lean conditions, then the tuner will edit the tune to resolve the problem.
Canned tunes are just like buying a box off cookies off the shelf at the store, what you get is what you get.
Granted, putting a new fuel pump in before the dyno tune would definately give the best possibility of making the most power with the least risk to the motor.
Thats what I was saying, but getting a dyno tune without getting the most out of your car because something isn't working right wouldn't be worth it. You're suppose to get a great tune from a dyno but not one that only nleashed half of your cars potential because it can handle going to its max with parts not working right.
I guess what I was trying to say is.. his pump might not be bad.
But for whatever reason his car has a different variance between commanded and delivered than most of the other cars that tuner had done.
could be bad pump, dirty fuel filter, dirty maf or just regular old "production variances".
On a dyno with WB02 hooked up..using a properly configured datalog you would see...the fuel pump peg, then the car go lean.
Then it'd be pretty obvious he had a delivery issue.
Maf issues would also show up in the datalog.
hell the Xcal 2 will datalog the car..by this point in time he should have hours of datalogs to support his claim that his car is fine.
notice that if I dont talk any smack he completely ignores anything I say...hence the reason I generally smack people around a bit just to make sure they are paying attention.
Several non smack talk posts with good information have been ignored, but now watch he'll fly off the handle all butt hurt because I "insinuated" that he didn't do his "due diligence" in troubleshooting his car.
*lol*
But for whatever reason his car has a different variance between commanded and delivered than most of the other cars that tuner had done.
could be bad pump, dirty fuel filter, dirty maf or just regular old "production variances".
On a dyno with WB02 hooked up..using a properly configured datalog you would see...the fuel pump peg, then the car go lean.
Then it'd be pretty obvious he had a delivery issue.
Maf issues would also show up in the datalog.
hell the Xcal 2 will datalog the car..by this point in time he should have hours of datalogs to support his claim that his car is fine.
notice that if I dont talk any smack he completely ignores anything I say...hence the reason I generally smack people around a bit just to make sure they are paying attention.
Several non smack talk posts with good information have been ignored, but now watch he'll fly off the handle all butt hurt because I "insinuated" that he didn't do his "due diligence" in troubleshooting his car.
*lol*
Honestly it wouldn't be a bad idea at all...
You've already got the hardware, the software is less than 350.00
If you choose your SCT dealer carefully you can get one that will provide you with a good starting point file to use in the software.
If you DONT choose your dealer carefully, you'll get the software and a blank stare when you ask then for your tune file.
At what it would cost you to "dive into it" right now, if I were you I'd JUMP.
I paid 3 times that much to be able to burn a chip for my first gen mark 8.
1097.00 in fact {most of the cost is hardware)
today I'd spend that money again in a heartbeat based on both the performance I gained in my car and the knowledge that I was forced to seek out to make it all happen.
this isn't one of those mods that once the "new wears off" you regret spending the money.
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ok, first off.... I got sick of reading this thread
XLR, your wasting your breath... a week or so from now someone else will ask the same thing and you'll bang your head against the same wall.
Oh and the thing you quoted saying I get it.... I already got it, just being sarcastic and making it brutally clear at the same time. HEE HEE
Pektel, You have my number buddy. Let me know If I you need help with any of it. I thought you had already swapped the pump by now... TISK TISK! LOL
Pagluy.... dude, ILLS tuned numerous cars with the same start file. He changed a few of them to meet the needs of the customers, but that was to make it hotter for more worked on motors or to custom add stuff like for a set of 4.10s. It worked fine on every single one.... why should it be deemed bad just cause your car has an issue and the tune is showing it. That is EXACTLY why he said screw it. You paid him to provide you with a tune. If the tune is bad, hes on the hook. If you are having trouble loading, hes not on the hook, but I would expect him to help you get through it. If your car craps the bed because of something completely unrelated then F off you shouldnt ever speak his name in any ill will!!!!!!!!!!! And if people like myself or XLR decide to try and point you in the right direction based of our technical expertise in the area, either take it or dont, but dont argue unless you have a god damn clue.... and with out doing any testing (ie swapping a pump or atleast having the one in there tested) you dont so piss the fu<k off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
XLR, your wasting your breath... a week or so from now someone else will ask the same thing and you'll bang your head against the same wall.
Oh and the thing you quoted saying I get it.... I already got it, just being sarcastic and making it brutally clear at the same time. HEE HEE
Pektel, You have my number buddy. Let me know If I you need help with any of it. I thought you had already swapped the pump by now... TISK TISK! LOL
Pagluy.... dude, ILLS tuned numerous cars with the same start file. He changed a few of them to meet the needs of the customers, but that was to make it hotter for more worked on motors or to custom add stuff like for a set of 4.10s. It worked fine on every single one.... why should it be deemed bad just cause your car has an issue and the tune is showing it. That is EXACTLY why he said screw it. You paid him to provide you with a tune. If the tune is bad, hes on the hook. If you are having trouble loading, hes not on the hook, but I would expect him to help you get through it. If your car craps the bed because of something completely unrelated then F off you shouldnt ever speak his name in any ill will!!!!!!!!!!! And if people like myself or XLR decide to try and point you in the right direction based of our technical expertise in the area, either take it or dont, but dont argue unless you have a god damn clue.... and with out doing any testing (ie swapping a pump or atleast having the one in there tested) you dont so piss the fu<k off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!