rear door panel removal help?

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You guessed it! Bad window regulator. Passenger side.

I see the obvious (two screws at bottom one at the top right, and two under the plastic cover in the grab handle). What's next? This car doesn't seem to have the standard panel fasteners that most (less expensive) cars have.

Is there an online resource for this common problem?

I'm really hesitant to dig into this, as I'm sure I'll tear something up trying to force the door panel off. Anybody know how much labor $ a typical dealership charges for repair? I know parts cost just depends on what's broken, but it looks like parts $ shouldn't exceed ~$100 worst case.

Thanks,
Jason
'00 LS
 
I would be curious to see this as well... My '00 rear passenger window just went crunch the other night too.

Kleetus
 
- pop the flap in the arm rest - there are two screws in there under the flap
- there are the two screws you mentioned at the bottom
- pull the black trim from around the door handle off (from the back) - there is a screw behind it
- the rest just pulls off
 
My window went this morning, passenger rear an an '00. Jason, how much did the repair cost, or have you started it yet?
 
I just came back from the ford dealer and I have some part numbers for the passenger rear door...

4w4z5427008aa window regulator $35.57
xw4z5423394ba window motor $72.23

The window regulator is supposed to be replaced by both parts above for a grand total of $107.80 plus tax, but I'm curious to see if the regulator can be changed without having to replace the motor. I'm headed to the garage and the other parts dealer to work on it in the parking lot... if I can just change the one, I'll save $72. I'll let you know.

Kleetus
 
My window motor in the car was compatible with the new regulator assembly, in fact it was the same part number. This means either whoever had the car before me already was in there once for this (and I somewhat suspect this as there was a screw with the paint narfed up on the face) or, the motor is the same, and the regulator changed.

Mine did a little, the D on mine didn't break, the black plastic clip that actually attaches to the glass broke. The cable pulled out of one end and then wrapped around the spool and tore stuff up. The replacement had a white nylon "window carrier". We'll see how this holds up. One point of interest: The original regulator assy, used nuts and bolts to attach to the subassembly of the door, the replacement uses studs. That's great because you dont' have to hold a 10mm wrench behind the door to take it apart. It's bad because with three screws and only two bolts, you come up shy...

The only part number I can come up with on the regulator from my old one is
"117141" "pom" and a :q:q:q:q load of "R"s cast in it everywhere, which I assume would mean right side...

Hope this helps somebody out!

Kleetus

'00 LS V8 Sport
 
So you got away with only the regulator? I can't tell exactly which part is bad. Any signs for bad regulator, bad motor, or both. Its getting colder outside and my window is stuck down, so it sucks driving in the morning or at night. Also, my garage is too cluttered to park the car in.
 
SurfjaxLS said:
So you got away with only the regulator? I can't tell exactly which part is bad. Any signs for bad regulator, bad motor, or both. Its getting colder outside and my window is stuck down, so it sucks driving in the morning or at night. Also, my garage is too cluttered to park the car in.

Yep, I got lucky... What is your window doing, other than not what you want it to? Can you hear the motor running in the door when you try to operate the window? Can you move the glass somewhat freely by hand? I'd try this with the car off and accessories on, so you can anything that is going on in there. Mine literally went crunch, and further attempted operation of the window just made it worse.

Read this before you start ripping and tearing, it might give some insight or a battle plan on how to go after this. If your motor is bad, you may need a different approach. I'll try to be as explicit as I can.

I assume you haven't ripped into the door itself yet? It's a little unnerving at first but then it makes sense. The worst part after taking the 5 screws out is pulling out on the door trim... I mean you really need to reef on it, then it comes loose with a bang, and you think you broke something. The fasteners that attach the trim are TIGHT. They aren't like the old ones that sorta much out of the way. I would recommend starting at the bottom rear of the door and workiong up, then towards the hinges. It seemed to work well for me.

Once you get to there, there's a plug that attaches to the window switch, disconnect that, and the skin will come off. Behind that is an adhesive plastic film, I guess is a vapor barrier, take that off, it's sticky and a pain, kinda like saran-wrap from h e l l , just try not to tear it up, it's a pain to put back on when it is...

Next is the metal bracket that holds the speaker, door handle and window regulator. There are four gold bolts that are 10mm (I think) two on top, one down low on the hinge side, and one on the bottom. this is where it gets interesting, because it depends on what's broke as to how you remove it. Once I figured out the window regulator was toast, I used the "brute force approach". If your regulator is bad, it's kinda hard to hurt it, if it's only the motor, then you don't want to destroy the regulator. When the regulator is in good shape, it kinda looks like a compound bow, with a stabilizer on the front (which is the motor actually). If the cables are all screwed up, not attached, or something like that, the regulator's the trouble. What I did was removed the three screws that held the regulator to the metal braket, and swung the bracket around out and away from the hinge side of the door to gain access to the guts of the door. It's a pain to get those two nuts off the track of the window regulator, I think they were 10mm as well.

I was lucky that the part of the regulator that attached to the glass was free of the cables and would move around as I pulled the window up and down. I knew it was screwed up, so I twisted it off the track, and broke it a little more. Then I was able to disconnect the window motor power, and take the regulator out. ****If this is not your case, I'm not sure what to tell you. ***

I was a little stumped as to how to get that plastic track thingy off the window itself. The white nylon pin stays in the window, so don't try to pound that out! What I did was take a pair of wire cutting dykes, ones that will cut on the very end, and nip the plastic off the sides that hold the window pin in the track slider thing. It's easier if the window is like half way down or so. When you snip those top side peices off you basically cut it to look like a "V" with the point facing the bottom of the door. Now you can just wiggle it back a bit, and it will come right off. This thing fits like a cradle on the bottom of the window, and the pin is the lock as the "top of the V" snaps over the pin (on both sides, you only have to cut one). This is really slick if you ever had to mess with the older style windows.

Something to look at whike you're out looking for parts and such. My original regulator was held in with 3 bolts with the washers attached, and 2 of them had nuts, the ones on the regulator arm. The replacement had 3 studs that fit the same holes, and fit the same nuts. I only had 2 because that's what was there, you will probably need to get another nut, washer and lock washer. It cost me 17 cents for those parts....

Assembly is just the opposide, loosely attach the regulator and motor to the window plate thing, attache the power wire again, fiddle the whole thing back into place, tighten all the screws (3 on regulator, 4 holding plate thing to door), then gently push the window down onto the new regulator track thing. when you push it down far enough, it will go "snap" and the pin will then be captive in the cradle part and the window will be secure. Try the door out before you put the door skin back on. If it works, assemble the rest of the door in reverse order (duh).

After doing it myself for the first time, I would bet I could do it now, start to finish in maybe 20 minutes if I hurried. It really is pretty easy.

I tried to make this as simple as I could, I hope you're not bored to tears reading this! :) :tmi: :sleep:

Good Luck and let me know if you have any other questions, I'll do my best to answer them.

Kleetus

'00 LS V8 Sport
 
Thanks for the help Kleetus. It was a bad regulator because the cable was wound up inbetween the regulator and the white wheel/track.
 
SurfjaxLS said:
Thanks for the help Kleetus. It was a bad regulator because the cable was wound up inbetween the regulator and the white wheel/track.


Same thing that happened to mine. Glad I was able to help.

:Beer

Kleetus

'00 LS V8 Sport
 
Question?

Long time lurker here. Just registered today since I have a question about the procedure for removing the rear door panel.

Back right window is stuck halfway down. I have the door panel off, but I haven't removed the 4 gold 10mm screws to get the metal bracket holding the speaker and regualtor. I can see that the cable is loose behind the metal bracket. When I remove all 4 gold screws will I be able to determine if the regulator or the motor is the problem?
 
New Regulator Part #

Looked up part #4w4z5427008aa and it says that it has been superceded with new part#5W4Z5427008A. Anyone else use this new part#? I assume it's the updated regulator that Kleetus talked about above. I'm going to see if Advance Auto stocks the part or can get it in quickly.
 
Kleetus,
Thanks for your thread on R2 of rear window regulator/motor replacement. I just went and did both of my rear doors and it only took about 1hr15mins. I couldn't figure out how to get the plastic clips off of window until I read your article. I purchased the regulator/motor assy from Power up Auto off of ebay for $66.34 after tax and shipping (that covered both assy's with motors) - they said "made in USA" but no telling how long they will last.
Thanks again,
Dave, FL
2000 Lincoln LS V8
 

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