o2 sensors

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Anybody know what I can do about the o2 sensors.. the check engine light came on so I took it to a friends shop and he cleared the code out.. It also said its running lean... does this mean that my o2 sensors have to be replaced?? casue my car idles weird sometimes...help!!
 
probably not - more likely you have a vacuum leak or fuel issue.

V6 or V8?
 
I aasume before he cleared codes it told you the O2 was bad. If so then you should replace it.

I do not have enough miles on my LS yet so don't know specifics, but in general it is the O2 sensors before the catalytic converters that goes bad way before the aftercat. Most sporty type cars have 4 sensors since they have dual exhaust and 1 O2 before and one after the cat.

You will need a special O2 wrench or a big open end, or box end or sometimes a deep socket will work. Sometimes they are frozen into place pretty good so you might need to use something like Liquid Wrench to loosen it.

Once you remove the old sensor, be sure to add just a dab of antisieze compound ONLY to the threads of the sensor. Do not get any on the probe tip. The anitzieze will make it eaier in the future to remove the sensor. A tube will last almost forever so you don't need a big jar unless you run a garage.

O2 sensors are almost as routine a maintenance item as sparkplugs now. Many advertisments even recommend changing them every 100K or less or every tuneup.

A bad O2 sensor will do different things depending on what failure it is in. Weird idles can be one symptom. Running rich(detecting lean) is more common if I recall since the computer may try to compensate for the sensor.

Toughest part is usually getting the old sensor out. If the engine bay is tight, like the LS, so much the worse for you and your knuckles.

Good Luck,

Jim Henderson
 
I thought the error was 'running lean' - bad O2 sensors usually throw their own codes.
 
Jim....I can't think of any new car that doesn't have 4 sensors. It's an EPA requirement. The rear two are after cat and do nothing more than monitor the efficiency of the cats. They will throw a code when they go bad.

Next, like Jim said, O2 sensors do wear out. They are a sensor that generates it's own signal. It's a very small voltage (less than 1 volt). There is no power to the O2 sensor other than the heater that is used to get the car into closed loop quicker. (O2 sensors need to be hot to operate) As the sensor reads the amount of oxygen in the exhaust, it sends this small voltage signal to the ECM. As the car switches from lean to rich and the ECM makes corrections, the O2 sensor reads from above 4.5 volts to below 4.5 volts (appx) at a very high rate of speed. This is called cross counts. When the O2 sensor gets tired, it can no longer make the switches as fast as it needs to and you get a code showing the sensor is slow and needs to be replaced. If the sensor fails completely, you get another code indicating that. Complete failure is rare. If your sensor is reading lean, that by no means indicates a bad sensor. The sensor may be (and probably is) reading correctly and you have, as Quik suggested, a vacuum leak. Only a proper diagnosis with the equipment that can monitor the sensor will tell you for sure. With that equipment, you can measure cross counts and force the engine rich or lean and watch the sensor's reaction. If your car has over 50K on the sensor, I would replace them as routine maintenance...at least the front two. But don't be surprised if you get your CEL back.
 
Quik LS said:
probably not - more likely you have a vacuum leak or fuel issue.

V6 or V8?






Its a V6..
I think it might be a leak in the vacuum aswell.. thanks for the help

but this car is fcuked up all these little problems.. anybody know anything about the windows not rolling down?? should I just take it to the dealer for those??
 
hey Quik LS... what else can u tell me about the V6?? should I be looking out for something in the future?? Its a 2000 V6 5 speed stick, little over 100,000 miles.. thanks bro
 

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