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hey, new to here...and have had my LS for about 5 months now, got some 18" verde kaos wheels, Eibach springs and caster/camber kit, EBC slotted/dempled rotors (front), EBC red stuff pads (front/rear), cooper zeon 235/40h/18 stickies...looking for other mods, need struts...but cant find any thru KYB, KONI, or TOKICO...also, what are your positions on CRY02 injection...(Co2 injection)?...and what can i do for tranny and diff mods?...also, way, way in the future looking to install a Jaguar S-type R engine...where might i find one of those?...thinking possibly XS Engineering or JimWolfTechnology...but have no idea...its :q:q:q:qing European so i have no idea about some distributors...way harder than locating as SR20 about 7 years ago before the drift explosion...any help would be greatly appreciated...also, might i add, i am very new to this forum, but i have a couple of pics that i am working with...but no digital cam so its a :q:q:q:q ton of red tape to get my pics online...

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wow, sorry guys, didnt know this site was so heavily moderated...will definitely watch the language next time around...once again i apologize about that...a
 
yea we have to watch out for all the kids that drive lincoln ha ha
 
CO2 injection?

That's for additional cooling to your intercooler...
 
actually you can run it into your intake charge like nitrous, accomplishes the same thing, just not near as harmful...all nitrous is, is cold air, and when you cool off your intake charge since cold air is more dense you compound more air in that given space and since more forced air mean more power...voila...you go faster for a short period of time...but yeah, you can spray it on your intercooler if you choose, you can also use water injection for your intercooler...they do it in rally...LSKoncepts is very helpful, but i couldnt find any struts...i checked with advanced and the KYB, KONI, and TOKICO sites and found nothing...
 
There's nothing in the way of aftermarket struts. You have a choice of base, sport and Euro OEM shocks. Ken at LSKoncepts carries them.

Welcome aboard.
 
"...all nitrous is, is cold air, and when you cool off your intake charge since cold air is more dense you compound more air in that given space"

Nitrous is flammable oxygen. Oxygen is an oxidizer, making things burn much better. Granted, it is cold when compressed, but the performance benefits come not from a colder charge, but from the N and the O2 burning much better than atmostpheric air. Kewl ride, though, man....(I prolly sound like some kinda @$$hole, now). PEace
 
thethirdeye88 said:
actually you can run it into your intake charge like nitrous, accomplishes the same thing, just not near as harmful...all nitrous is, is cold air, and when you cool off your intake charge since cold air is more dense you compound more air in that given space and since more forced air mean more power...voila...you go faster for a short period of time...but yeah, you can spray it on your intercooler if you choose, you can also use water injection for your intercooler...they do it in rally...LSKoncepts is very helpful, but i couldnt find any struts...i checked with advanced and the KYB, KONI, and TOKICO sites and found nothing...
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As jayce stated; NO2 is an oxidizer, providing additional oxygen; this is the reason requiring additional fuel on systems with a higher flow of NO2. The factory injectors can not add enough fuel to maintain the air/fuel ratio.

I would go as far as to say injecting CO2 into your intake stream would be more harmful than helpful. The availability of the oxygen molecules in CO2 is pretty low as the stability of the bond is much better than with NO2. With NO2, the bond is broken by the heat of combustion, releasing the two oxygen molecules which are then burnt and turned to CO (carbon monoxide); the nitrogen molecule actually acting to cool the engine (this is why NO2 isn't harmful to an engine when correctly tuned; the use of it removes the extra heat caused by the added combustion). This wouldn't happen with CO2; all you would be doing is adding an unusable gas, taking away from the volume of atmospheric air inducted into the engine, and there by decreasing the amount of oxygen available to burn. This leaves you with exactly the opposite of what you're trying to achieve; the difficulty with IC engines is getting in more oxygen to burn... not more fuel.

Anyone care to critic my response... be my guest... after all, I'm not a scientist!


And... as far as aftermarket shocks go... sorry, you're outta luck. Factory is the only option: Standard, Sport or Euro... take your pick!
 
The only aftermarket shocks for the LS are Monroe Sensatracs. There used to be high-performance Leda shocks, but they seem to have disappeared from LSKoncepts, which I'm guessing means they're no longer available new. At $1800 (IIRC), most people didn't go for them.

The Monroes are often referred to by those who've used them on LSes as "Sensacraps," so you can see why we're all running Lincoln shocks. :D
 
thanks for the input, i'd rather be wrong and learn then to be wrong and end up ruining my engine...and you dont sound like an @$$hole man...i appreciate all the input i can get...but which struts are better?...the sport or the euro?...i'm guessing euro...but once again, i could be wrong...i'm looking for the best possible cornering ability i can acheive out of it...and what about carbon fiber pieces?...and if anyone out there has a front door speaker that is in good shape, i need one rather bad, mine is fluttering...also, what are your views on exhaust?...flowmaster, magnaflow, or fabbing up a custom kit?...
 
Not trying to be an a$$hole either, but the LS has shocks, not struts. The Euro's are very firm (some say harsh). The sports are less so and the regular's are soft and smooth (your grandma would love them).
FYI If your car is not a sport model, just swapping out the shocks will not be enough. The entire suspension is tuned differently for sport and non sport in terms of sway bars, etc.
 
To go from non-Sport to Sport, all you need to change are the shocks and sway bars; everything else (suspension-wise) is the same. If you go with Euros, you'll probably want Sport sway bars, as there aren't (AFAIK) any Euro sway bars.

The Euros will give you the best cornering, but most who've opted for the Euros have gone back to Sports. I've never been in a Euro-equipped LS, but most of those who have described the ride as being somewhere between "harsh" and "brutal" (and being on stock or lowering springs doesn't seem to make much difference). Of course, not everyone who describes them as harsh dislikes them.
 
I'm happy with my eibach's and sport suspension. I would possibly run a larger sway bar F/R if one were available, just to remove a touch more of the body roll. Anyhow, the way it is right now, it's one of the best combinations of comfort and performance I've ever driven. (and I've driven BMW's, SLK's, Porsche's and the like...)
 
how do you not know my LS is not a sport model?...then again i dont either...but just saying, i figured it was...need to check on my build sheet...but i am perfectly fine with hars...guaranteed there is no way without serious suspension work an LS is a more harsh ride than a 240...i've been through 3 mildly built 240's...
 
I couldn't tell from the pics (white creates too much glare) but if your bumpers have chrome it's not a Sport. No chrome on the bumpers means sport. Also, I used to drive a '93 240sx and that was the best handling car I've ever owned! Slightly modified of course. ;) You'll never get anywhere close to that in an LS.
 
thethirdeye88 said:
actually you can run it into your intake charge like nitrous, accomplishes the same thing, just not near as harmful...all nitrous is, is cold air, and when you cool off your intake charge since cold air is more dense you compound more air in that given space and since more forced air mean more power...voila...you go faster for a short period of time...but yeah, you can spray it on your intercooler if you choose, you can also use water injection for your intercooler...they do it in rally...LSKoncepts is very helpful, but i couldnt find any struts...i checked with advanced and the KYB, KONI, and TOKICO sites and found nothing...
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Hehehehe. Go ahead and spray Carbon Dioxide into your engine and see if it gives you any more power. The CO2 kits are used to cool your intercooler and the CO2 does not get ingested into the air intake.
 
Jayce 1971 said:
Nitrous is flammable oxygen. Oxygen is an oxidizer, making things burn much better. Granted, it is cold when compressed, but the performance benefits come not from a colder charge, but from the N and the O2 burning much better than atmostpheric air. Kewl ride, though, man....(I prolly sound like some kinda @$$hole, now). PEace
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Nitrous is not flammable oxygen. Nitrous is actually not flammable at all. Neither is oxygen... I bet I really have you guys paying attention now! The reason that oxygen is not considered "flammable" is because it is not a fuel, but an oxidizer like Nate mentioned. Only fuels are considered to be flammable by definition. It still helps to violently assist a fire in getting much larger though; much like a catalyst helps make an explosion more powerful oxygen acts as an accelerant for the fire. Anyways, aside from all the technobabble.

Oxygen is much more volatile then Nitrous is because it is already in its base oxidizing form and is "ready to go" right out of the box. That is why we use the less volatile nitrous oxide rather than oxygen in our cars. The nitrous oxide has to be compressed in the cylinders of the engine thus heating it enough to allow it to break down to its base state of separate nitrogen and oxygen molecules. When it does this then more oxidizer is present and in turn more fuel (gas) is needed to keep the AFR's stable and also make more power.

Performance does benefit from the cooling affect of the nitrous but the main power adding ability is due to the additional oxidizer that it provides to the overall mixture.

Just clarifying.
 
nope, no chrome at all on my bumpers...thanks god, i really dont care to much for "bling"...anyway, 240's are amazing, i'd love to have the cash lying around to fully build one, a 95-96 model with an LS1, coilovers, t-56, i'm going to stop on that now or else that will go on forever...the pics look like shat because i have no cam, i took them with my phone...but for being a 3,800 pound car, it handles extremely well...good enough to spooke me through some corners, it will push my limits before i can push its...but i really need a front door speaker!...
 
When they say use CO2 in the intake - they do not mean 'spray' it in - they use the CO2 to cool things down. There is an insert to place inline with the intake tube - it has a little 'bulb' in the center of the coupling - the CO2 runs through it cooling it down. The idea it that it gets sooo cold that it actually cools the air running over it - and heading into your engine.
http://www.designengineering.com/products.asp?m=sp&pid=4&tid=1

The question is - does it cool the rushing air enough to compensate for the restriction it adds.... ;)

They have them now to cool your fuel rail, intake change, ...etc.
 
yeah, thats the cryO2 system...an old friend of mine had one on his legend almost 4 years ago, lines ran and everything, just never attached the bottle to it...i moved off for a bit and never got to find out if it worked...i ought to go ask him about it...also used to own a vinyl graphics and tint shop, how does $140 sound for tinting the LS?...but yeah, that the exact same kit, i've just never seen the back side of it...he just took off the MAF and air filter and i had to look down the intake to see top of the bulb/dome thingy...odd little setup, but why would they put so much into R&D and production if it doesnt work?...they have been advertised in super street and several other automotive mags for years...
 
140 is a good price if you are getting all but the windshield done..
 
Quik LS said:
When they say use CO2 in the intake - they do not mean 'spray' it in - they use the CO2 to cool things down. There is an insert to place inline with the intake tube - it has a little 'bulb' in the center of the coupling - the CO2 runs through it cooling it down. The idea it that it gets sooo cold that it actually cools the air running over it - and heading into your engine.
http://www.designengineering.com/products.asp?m=sp&pid=4&tid=1

The question is - does it cool the rushing air enough to compensate for the restriction it adds.... ;)

They have them now to cool your fuel rail, intake change, ...etc.
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Yeah, looks like a total gimmick to me. As you said, added restriction. Plus, I don't honestly believe a cold "bulb" would have the cooling effects they claim (when cooling, surface area is the big issue... and that is obviously very limited); I'd be interested to hear about their testing that showed a 50 degree drop in temp... what, was that in a sealed section of tube for 10 minutes?

Also a thought... thermal-dynamics... do you think maybe the combination of an obstruction in the intake tube creating turbulence, mixed with a sudden decrease of temp would adversely effect the velocity of the air charge on an N/A application?

And lastly... wouldn't this be A LOT more popular if it were as effective as they claim?
 
yeah, it all glass being tinted...legal though...just like an eyebrow, or rather a unibrow in the front, then the rest...not getting stupid with and blacking it out...
 
NateRW21 said:
Yeah, looks like a total gimmick to me. As you said, added restriction. Plus, I don't honestly believe a cold "bulb" would have the cooling effects they claim (when cooling, surface area is the big issue... and that is obviously very limited); I'd be interested to hear about their testing that showed a 50 degree drop in temp... what, was that in a sealed section of tube for 10 minutes?

Also a thought... thermal-dynamics... do you think maybe the combination of an obstruction in the intake tube creating turbulence, mixed with a sudden decrease of temp would adversely effect the velocity of the air charge on an N/A application?

And lastly... wouldn't this be A LOT more popular if it were as effective as they claim?
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I have my reservations about the cryogenic coolers for the N/A vehicle like this company makes too. The cooling does help but flow restrictions are not a good thing, especially in an N/A setup where your VE is totally dependent on how much air you can pull into the cylinders. Flow becomes less important in an FI combo which is why supercharger manifolds like what Eaton, Kenne Bell and Whipple use can have so many tight bends but still be fine. In a N/A combo the air inlet temps do not become nearly as critical due to the IAT's being close to or at ambient when under hard acceleration. The FI combo's heat the intake charge quite a bit which is why they actually see allot of advantage from them. I do not see the point in using a chiller kit like this for a N/A vehicle. Not worth the money or time to install it as far as I am concerned.
 
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