KStromberg
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the1andonlyGR81
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ill find the sheet somewhere.but if you do the math and start with a baseline of 290 hp to start with +/- 5 hp for error and factory diff. the headers are worth 10-15-hp depending on whole system. the lms dbl x system alone is worth 25hp over stock so we'll say 35 hp.then 11-22 with the mass air setup, then tune from delta force 10 hp which they rate in conjunction from stock to full exhaust, and other mods add that get 60-70 hp for a total of around 350 -360 hp i forget where in the rpm range somewhere @ 6000. which is probobly where you are given the same mods, almost. factor in drivetrain loss between 15-20% ,some say or a total of 50 -60 hp and your +/- 5 hp and your there, mathematically.all those numbers come from the manufacturer, not me, but ill look for the sheet which i think is stapled to the receipt knowing my girl is filed somewhere. track results coming soon with gear install. watch out mr.aspirated, you still have to deal with geno whos faster than you n/a, and im at sea level. coming for you.and ive got no legs, technichally wanna give me a handicap?
KStromberg
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ill find the sheet somewhere.but if you do the math and start with a baseline of 290 hp to start with +/- 5 hp for error and factory diff. the headers are worth 10-15-hp depending on whole system. the lms dbl x system alone is worth 25hp over stock so we'll say 35 hp.then 11-22 with the mass air setup, then tune from delta force 10 hp which they rate in conjunction from stock to full exhaust, and other mods add that get 60-70 hp for a total of around 350 -360 hp i forget where in the rpm range somewhere @ 6000. which is probobly where you are given the same mods, almost. factor in drivetrain loss between 15-20% ,some say or a total of 50 -60 hp and your +/- 5 hp and your there, mathematically.all those numbers come from the manufacturer, not me, but ill look for the sheet which i think is stapled to the receipt knowing my girl is filed somewhere. track results coming soon with gear install. watch out mr.aspirated, you still have to deal with geno whos faster than you n/a, and im at sea level. coming for you.and ive got no legs, technichally wanna give me a handicap?
Driller was at that horsepower level NA. Good luck. You have a Gen2. And if you have a Gen2 intake, I really wish you good luck lol. There's only been two Gen2s that have done it yet. It's not that easy. I'm at 838 ft here so you only have about 7 hundredths of an advantage in elevation. No biggie.
Geno has a Gen 1. We have Gen2s. Gen1s have always been faster. Seriously though, I wish you the best. Just don't set your hopes too high.
I'm not worried if Geno is faster than me NA, I'm aiming to be in the top 3 on the NA list. But seriously, I need to see this dyno sheet. That's far fetched. And seriously, do you have gears or a stall? I have 4.30s and a 3800 stall.
the1andonlyGR81
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got 4.10 not in yet waiting on trac loc and install. saw a couple bone stock gen 2 break into the 14's. my first few runs will be stock.the gears should be worth .5 sec from what im told.there ws a link syong about the stock doing 14's,
http://www.ehow.com/info_7778660_1998-mark-viii-stock-specifications.html
it also says cast iron block,maybe they were referring to the non teksid blocks, the romeo or windsors,although they werent in lincolns
http://www.ehow.com/info_7778660_1998-mark-viii-stock-specifications.html
it also says cast iron block,maybe they were referring to the non teksid blocks, the romeo or windsors,although they werent in lincolns
You are not making 305 at the wheels. You can't add numbers together and take 15-20% drivetrain loss and figure out your horsepower numbers. Stock your gen 2 probably is at 220 rwhp at the wheels if it's tuned up and compression good. I would guess you would be lucky to be in the 250-260rwhp after your mods which is enough to get you in the 13's with the right launch and tire/gear setup. The track will let you know what horsepower you are making based on your MPH.
KStromberg
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Like I said man, best of luck. I'm not hatin' at all, I'm just very skeptical and don't want to see others misinformed. DLF ran a 13.47 NA. That IS the fastest NA Gen2 on stock internals/bottom end and he has far from 300rwhp. I believe he is right around 260 currently. I've seen his dyno sheet. 98LSC32V is spot on. You can do a lot at the track with holeshot modifications but none of them add any quantifiable horsepower when it comes to dyno time. Exhaust with headers, tuning parameters, and any intake mods or underdrive pullies (although pullies are more minimal) are some of the only things that will add horsepower. Again, good luck, but don't be disappointed if you don't see 300rwhp. And from what I see with your car, unless you have engine work done that you're not telling us about, 300 rwhp is practically impossible on a stock block, stock heads, stock intake, stock crank, stock rods/pistons. It's just not going to happen, but on a more positive note you also don't need 300rwhp to run mid 13s as DLF and myself have proven. I'm still on a chip tune and probably making less rwhp than he is. (Less than 260)
I hope you get it into the 13s though. There's not nearly enough of us Gen2 guys that are doing it NA and it would be nice to see another one join us.
I read the link you posted and that is straight up ERRONEOUS information:
"The Lincoln Mark VIII runs through the quarter-mile in 14 seconds at 98.5 miles per hour and can speed through an eighth-of-a-mile run in just 9 seconds at 78.7 miles per hour."
The trap speed of a Gen2 Mark VIII is closer to 92 mph and low to mid 15s. The 1/8th mile specs are also incorrect. A 9 second 1/8th mile is somewhere around a low 14 second car in the 1/4 mile. Simply not happening on a Mark VIII in the stock form. That website should be flagged because it is so terribly misleading.
the1andonlyGR81
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Like I said man, best of luck. I'm not hatin' at all, I'm just very skeptical and don't want to see others misinformed. DLF ran a 13.47 NA. That IS the fastest NA Gen2 on stock internals/bottom end and he has far from 300rwhp. I believe he is right around 260 currently. I've seen his dyno sheet. 98LSC32V is spot on. You can do a lot at the track with holeshot modifications but none of them add any quantifiable horsepower when it comes to dyno time. Exhaust with headers, tuning parameters, and any intake mods or underdrive pullies (although pullies are more minimal) are some of the only things that will add horsepower. Again, good luck, but don't be disappointed if you don't see 300rwhp. And from what I see with your car, unless you have engine work done that you're not telling us about, 300 rwhp is practically impossible on a stock block, stock heads, stock intake, stock crank, stock rods/pistons. It's just not going to happen, but on a more positive note you also don't need 300rwhp to run mid 13s as DLF and myself have proven. I'm still on a chip tune and probably making less rwhp than he is. (Less than 260)
I hope you get it into the 13s though. There's not nearly enough of us Gen2 guys that are doing it NA and it would be nice to see another one join us.
I read the link you posted and that is straight up ERRONEOUS information:
"The Lincoln Mark VIII runs through the quarter-mile in 14 seconds at 98.5 miles per hour and can speed through an eighth-of-a-mile run in just 9 seconds at 78.7 miles per hour."
The trap speed of a Gen2 Mark VIII is closer to 92 mph and low to mid 15s. The 1/8th mile specs are also incorrect. A 9 second 1/8th mile is somewhere around a low 14 second car in the 1/4 mile. Simply not happening on a Mark VIII in the stock form. That website should be flagged because it is so terribly misleading.
we,ve had that discussion here before,thats why i said look at the "cast iron block quote", bull:q:q:q:q, but there have been bone stock lsc running 14's. its already been discussed.
KStromberg
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we,ve had that discussion here before,thats why i said look at the "cast iron block quote", bull:q:q:q:q, but there have been bone stock lsc running 14's. its already been discussed.
Let me say it again, GOOD LUCK. You'll find out what I mean when you hit the track. Trust me. 99% of the Mark VIIIs that even have the chance of a HIGH 14 second timeslip in the stock form are all Gen1s with maybe a freak Gen2 in there. You have a Gen2. They run low to mid 15s stock.
With 4.10s and the mods I see you have, my guess is mid 14s MAYBE a low 14. But I'm not going to sit here and argue because I don't have to. I've been through all of this a long time ago. You'll hit the track and see exactly what I mean. And that Gen2 intake you have is going to make it a real challenge to run 13s. I've also been through that too. The stock intake is a piece of crap at 6000 rpms. I now shift at over 6500 rpms with the Cobra intake and it isn't having a heart attack like it was before.
If you want a good chance at it, I would highly suggest finding a Cobra intake on ebay and getting a stall converter. As I've said, the stock intake is a huge performance robber on the Gen2s. The high and mighty Geno over at LMS doesn't think that Cobra intakes are worth a crap, but it took me one pass down the track to prove him wrong. If everyone listens to that line of thinking, the number of Gen2s at the top of the NA list will continue to remain small. Take the advice of someone who's done it, or continue to make your own theories.
ONEBADMK8
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I never once said they are worth a crap. I said they provide no gain vs cost N/A stock. Done up N/A engine, gears, converter, NOS applications and very much so a supercharger application you WILL benifit greatly from it for sure.
My 98 LSC ran a 14.62 with an SCT chip and Dynomax mufflers at a slow track.
KStromberg
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Well done. You are one of very few.
I'm another. My 98 LSC and ran 14.416 @ 96 MPH. The only mod I have is a LMS cat-back exhaust.
14.6@97MPH
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It doesn't look like you have any cats? I know you don't need them in Florida, but what about the tune, CE light and/or O2 sensors?
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KStromberg
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Sorry, guys. I'm not trying to get anyone worked up and I hope I'm not. I've never personally seen any Mark VIIIs at the track up here because I'm the only one, but I've watched countless youtube videos and I guess I never thought the Gen2s were as fast as the Gen1s and I've been told that by some guys who have owned both and they clearly felt the difference between the two. I also never realized that exhaust alone will put the Gen2s that far into the 14s either. I guess every car is different. My Gen2 ran a best of 14.1 last year. That was with full exhaust, headers, 4.10 gears, 3800 stall, JMOD and a very bad chip tune. I guess maybe it was possible for me to hit a high 13 had my tune been right. Who knows. The changes I made this year were with the cobra intake and stepping up to 4.30 gears. I still have the existing crap tune. A small change was made for the gear change, but that was it. The lock-up was never changed even though I talked to the guy and I'm not sending the darn chip back again. It's getting a dyno tune. So with that said, I decided to manually shift the car at about 6600 rpms into second gear and about that same rpm into 3rd gear and wa-lah I immediately starting picking up 3-4 mph in the traps and something much different was happening with lock-up in 3rd gear at the higher rpm shift point. Sorry if i rambled.
The tuner has to turn off the rear o2 sensors because they no longer exist once the cats are removed. You will only get a CEL if the rear o2s are not turned off in the tune. The forward o2s will be retained.
The tuner has to turn off the rear o2 sensors because they no longer exist once the cats are removed. You will only get a CEL if the rear o2s are not turned off in the tune. The forward o2s will be retained.
the1andonlyGR81
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im not agitated thats why we call it discussion my high altitude friend. i was going to use a cobra intake, but iwas told unless supercharged it doesn't make that much diff.im probobly looking low 14 now, high 13 after gears are in, still in search of sheet. may be going back into hospital AGAIN for awhile,will bring laptop, but im having complications again from paralysis
will keep informed, hopefully no surgury this time
KStromberg
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im not agitated thats why we call it discussion my high altitude friend. i was going to use a cobra intake, but iwas told unless supercharged it doesn't make that much diff.im probobly looking low 14 now, high 13 after gears are in, still in search of sheet. may be going back into hospital AGAIN for awhile,will bring laptop, but im having complications again from paralysis
I'm sorry to hear of your complications, and I truly hope you can get better and go on with your life as comfortably as possible. Let that be known first my fellow car enthusiast.
Considering you are not nearly in a "stock" form with your car, I would suggest that you at least reconsider the Cobra intake swap. The Gen2s are much worse off with the intake design and I can bet you money you will benefit noticeably from the Cobra intake. You will also be raisiing your shift pioints with the Cobra intake. Just a thought.