Lincoln VS Cadillac...This Time It's Personal

The lack of manual gearboxes is a disease which seems to be affecting everyone. Granted, I bought an automatic Lincoln LS because at the time it had by far the best looks/equipment/performance/price ratio in the cars I saw, but I'd enjoy having a manual car.

Trouble is, I like rear-wheel drive better than FWD... and finding manual RWDs in North America basically means "do you want a BMW or a Cadillac CTS". Perhaps one day... unless I go for a Mustang or Challenger.

Anyway, manuals disappearing is something I've been seeing for a while now. No BMWs above the 3-series/Z4 have manuals anymore, Audi only has a handful in the A4/S4/TT, Mercedes got rid of them all, Lincoln not since a decade ago, Lexus never really had any apart from the base IS...

The only midsize luxury sedan offering a manual gearbox today, apart from the Cadillac CTS, is the Acura TL, and it's ugly as all hell.

The problem is we now have road going race cars that aren't manual anymore. Even Formula 1 has semi-auto gearboxes. What we are seeing is a proliferation of automatic manuals with paddle shifters. Multi-clutch automatics have gotten to the point where they are as efficient as we thought manuals were. The racers that run sequential shifters are aided by electronics and that is what our cars try to mimic. Really its all in the logic now. If we can work on the logic, it may work well. Those that still have old style manuals can tell you what happens when you miss a shift. If you're old enough, you might remember all if the supercars back in the day having gated shifters.

2006 Lincoln LS in Cashmere Tri-Coat Metallic.
 
Only something like 10 percent of the buyers want manuals, so there's not enough profit potential to overcome the expense of building two different interiors and two different drivetrains. Plus, a lot of people that liked manuals are going to the paddle shifter, like it's the same thing or something. I would personally love a 2 door stick, and I mean an actual stick and not some paddle crap, but it's not what I need right now. If I had my way about it I'd get a 1994-1997 Mercury Cougar, install a Chevy LSX454 engine with a 6 speed manual, and drive it until I die. Instead I'll drive the Lincoln LS for now, will wait and see how the Chevy SS looks, and if it is not acceptable will see what else there is. If Lincoln starts making cars again I would have no problem at all buying another Lincoln. I won't look at the Camaro or Mustang as the cabin is just too small. The only new domestic car on the market I'd buy if I had to buy one today would be a Dodge Charger, and that's just sad.

Incidentally, I've been poking around the used car markets looking for a decent Cougar. So far, no luck. There are very few of them left, and every one I've come across has been trashed and crashed. This is a dream I may have to abandon.

Dude! It sounds like you need an Impala SS.

2006 Lincoln LS in Cashmere Tri-Coat Metallic.
 
Dude! It sounds like you need an Impala SS.

2006 Lincoln LS in Cashmere Tri-Coat Metallic.

Thought about it, but I just don't like how they look. They look like UFOs to me.

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NOW YOU'VE SEEN IT, YOU CAN'T UNSEE IT!
 
Thought about it, but I just don't like how they look. They look like UFOs to me.

NOW YOU'VE SEEN IT, YOU CAN'T UNSEE IT!

I see what you mean. What do you think of the Marauder?

2006 Lincoln LS in Cashmere Tri-Coat Metallic.
 
I'm sorry that impala pic cracked me up. I understand why manuals are going away and it's obvious why, but I consider the ss as a niche car like a camero or corvette that should have a manual option.

The g8 gxp came with a manual, so maybe we will see a "SS SS" verision later on haha.
 
I see what you mean. What do you think of the Marauder?

2006 Lincoln LS in Cashmere Tri-Coat Metallic.

Sweet looking. The heads on those hopped up 4.6s are so big they look like engine blocks attached to the engine. Mauraders are also very hard to find in my area.
 
The problem is we now have road going race cars that aren't manual anymore. Even Formula 1 has semi-auto gearboxes. What we are seeing is a proliferation of automatic manuals with paddle shifters. Multi-clutch automatics have gotten to the point where they are as efficient as we thought manuals were. The racers that run sequential shifters are aided by electronics and that is what our cars try to mimic. Really its all in the logic now. If we can work on the logic, it may work well. Those that still have old style manuals can tell you what happens when you miss a shift. If you're old enough, you might remember all if the supercars back in the day having gated shifters.

I know that semi-automatics are all the rage right now, but they're... kind of lame, really. I mean, either give me an automatic or a manual, not something weird in between. I can change speeds manually on the LS's semi-automatic, it's just that without a clutch pedal it feels... pointless.

And yes, I know that the electronics make them faster and slightly more fuel-efficient. That's nice. Except that I don't really care about any of that, what I care about is enjoying the overall experience, and that's what a manual gives you: control and enjoyment.

Only something like 10 percent of the buyers want manuals, so there's not enough profit potential to overcome the expense of building two different interiors and two different drivetrains.

Yeah, in North America people generally avoid manuals, a sad reality. But the thing is, they're less expensive than automatics to design and put in... for example, I don't think that it would cost Dodge a huge amount of money to simply install the Challenger's manual in the Charger. Plus, they could have a lower base price, which helps attract customers. And the European manufacturers are even worse, they HAVE the manual ones in Europe, but they generally refuse to sell them here. Mercedes is the worst of them all in that department.

Of course, there's the flip-side... companies know that they'll make more money by forcing everyone to buy automatic (therefore driving the price up by 1500-2000$), and that extra cash from selling all-automatics outweighs the loss of a few sales to uncompromising fellows who will walk away if there isn't a manual. Cash trumps the desire of a few people to drive manual.

Plus, a lot of people that liked manuals are going to the paddle shifter, like it's the same thing or something.

No it's not... semi-automatics without a clutch feel like a manual for people too incompetent to use the clutch pedal properly. The feeling isn't nearly the same as in a real manual. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like a trend that will reverse.

I would personally love a 2 door stick, and I mean an actual stick and not some paddle crap, but it's not what I need right now. If I had my way about it I'd get a 1994-1997 Mercury Cougar, install a Chevy LSX454 engine with a 6 speed manual, and drive it until I die. Instead I'll drive the Lincoln LS for now, will wait and see how the Chevy SS looks, and if it is not acceptable will see what else there is. If Lincoln starts making cars again I would have no problem at all buying another Lincoln. I won't look at the Camaro or Mustang as the cabin is just too small. The only new domestic car on the market I'd buy if I had to buy one today would be a Dodge Charger, and that's just sad.

2-door manual something would be nice indeed, I'm thinking Dodge Challenger, possibly Mustang (Challenger is more roomy). I simply don't like the Camaro... either outside or inside.

The Charger looks perfect, it's just a pity that they couldn't bother to make manuals available.

But yeah, apart from a couple of Dodges and a couple of Cadillacs, not much is going on in the North American car industry. New Fords may look good and be advanced and reliable and all that, but apart from the Mustang (and maybe Focus ST) they don't really have a soul.
 
American buyers don't want manuals. When we had a local Lincoln dealer I was good acquaintances with the owner's son. The LS was new and Lincoln was excited about the first manual in something like 40 years. Unfortunately the public wasn't as excited so the manual LS just sat on the lot. Scott told me the "lot time" for the manual was over 90 days! Too long to justify stocking one; or more. I wanted one until my commute got worse. The last thing I want is to drive a manual in slow and no-go traffic! American drivers are lazy and have no interest in DRIVING; they want nothing more than get in, have their appliance take them somewhere (soccer practice, karate, etc.) and then take them back home. It's the time of the operator, not the driver!

The cost of crash-testing a manual equipped car is cost prohibitive, UNLESS the car will be sold in Europe where there is an insurance discount for manual cars. For us, I believe the true manual is a thing of the past. With the extreme concern for CAFE manufacturers will do what it takes to get their numbers up. If that means an electronically controlled auto will eek out .002 mpg over a manual, guess what the manufacturer will produce? Thank the gummint for trying to take away all our driving enjoyment!
 
Well, I wouldn't mind a multi clutch automatic like in a ferrari 458. Those are based on Formula 1 technology and no one can out shift that.

2006 Lincoln LS in Cashmere Tri-Coat Metallic.
 
I actually like the Challenger's looks a lot more than the Charger, but they had to go and put a mile wide center console in. For me to drive the car I have to have the seat back all the way which means nobody can ride behind me; not what I'm looking for. In the Charger I can put the seat where I like it, and then get in the rear seat behind the driver's seat and sit comfortably. This is how I decide if a car's interior is large enough, if I could ride behind myself then anyone can ride behind me. Well, anyone I'll allow in my car, that is. If I were going to go with a Challenger, might as well go with a Corvette for functionality.

I can't see it being all that hard to move a stick from a Challenger in behind a Charger engine. Do you know what I'm REALLY dreading? That they one day get the CVT transmission as cheap and efficient as an auto. An auto at least has a bit of gear changing excitement but driving a car with a CVT is as exciting as a forklift. When all that is on the market is the CVT, I will never buy another new car. What's really bad is I still have about 50 more driving years to go before I'll be too old to drive provided I have a natural death. I figure the last 10, it will no longer matter but I can only figure on being willing to do my own work for 30 more years. That'll leave 10 years when I might hate driving.
 
Trouble is, I like rear-wheel drive better than FWD... and finding manual RWDs in North America basically means "do you want a BMW or a Cadillac CTS".

CTS does not come in manual anymore. Plus for the last two years GM offered the manual you needed to get the smaller 3.0L engine.
 
American buyers don't want manuals. When we had a local Lincoln dealer I was good acquaintances with the owner's son. The LS was new and Lincoln was excited about the first manual in something like 40 years. Unfortunately the public wasn't as excited so the manual LS just sat on the lot. Scott told me the "lot time" for the manual was over 90 days! Too long to justify stocking one; or more. I wanted one until my commute got worse. The last thing I want is to drive a manual in slow and no-go traffic! American drivers are lazy and have no interest in DRIVING; they want nothing more than get in, have their appliance take them somewhere (soccer practice, karate, etc.) and then take them back home. It's the time of the operator, not the driver!

The fate of the manual LS was horrid... around 2500 sold, out of a total of over 260 000 LS sold 2000-2006. Less than 1% were manual... sure Ford didn't help its cause by not providing the manual for the V8, ever, but the mass of customers have the biggest blame.

The cost of crash-testing a manual equipped car is cost prohibitive, UNLESS the car will be sold in Europe where there is an insurance discount for manual cars. For us, I believe the true manual is a thing of the past. With the extreme concern for CAFE manufacturers will do what it takes to get their numbers up. If that means an electronically controlled auto will eek out .002 mpg over a manual, guess what the manufacturer will produce? Thank the gummint for trying to take away all our driving enjoyment!

The changes of modern society are depressing in an endless amount of ways... they're even slowly killing cars, for God's sake...

That's what's wrong with North America; people who would buy a Prius over a Charger or Challenger. What's especially mind-numbing, especially here in Canada, are the people who will buy the most awful cheap new car possible (think Nissan Versa sedan... ugh), then pay 1500$ for it to be automatic...

Used cars exist people, and you can usually get a lot more interesting stuff than a goddamn Versa. But most don't give a damn. They'd buy a cardboard box on wheels if you sold it to them for 5000$ and put in an automatic.
 
You know what's next?

Left foot braking!

2006 Lincoln LS in Cashmere Tri-Coat Metallic.
 
um, yes it does, and you didnt have to buy a cts with the smallest motor to get a manual, just like today, you can buy one with the biggest motor and get it in a manual.

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I didn't say you couldn't get the CTS-V, just the normal CTS.

While I would love to have a V, it would not work for me as a daily driver. I like what it is and what it does I'm just too cheap to buy the gasoline required to drive it on a daily basis. I'd be spending more on gas to get to the slopes than on the lift tickets.
 

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