Liberalism needs to be squashed.

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You guy on the left bitch and moan about the Patriot Act which defends our country and then your cohorts in the US Supreme Court slip in the back door and steal your house and they don't even need a reason anymore.

I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR YOUR RESPONSES TO THIS. (Me starts making popcorn)
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/23/AR2005062300783_pf.html

Exerpt:
The 5-4 ruling _ assailed by dissenting Justice Sandra Day O'Connor as handing "disproportionate influence and power" to the well-heeled in America _ was a defeat for Connecticut residents whose homes are slated for destruction to make room for an office complex. They had argued that cities have no right to take their land except for projects with a clear public use, such as roads or schools, or to revitalize blighted areas.......

"The consequences of today's decision are not difficult to predict, and promise to be harmful," Thomas wrote. "So-called 'urban renewal' programs provide some compensation for the properties they take, but no compensation is possible for the subjective value of these lands to the individuals displaced and the indignity inflicted."

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All the Libs (Stevens, Souter, Breyer, Ginsgurg and Kennedy vote to steal your house. Conservatives Thomas and Scalia are joined by O'Connor and Rehnquist who must have grown brains in the dissent. I can't wait for Bush to appoint a couple more conservatives to the bench and take this Country back from the liberals that have been systematically destroying it for the last 40 years.
 
Just get a couple of buddies, put together a condo plan or something that will generate more tax revenue for the city, have the city condemn the place and you get my house for fifty cents on the dollar.
 
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MonsterMark said:
Just get a couple of buddies, together, put together a condo plan or something that will generate more tax revenue for the city, have the city condemn the place and you get my house for fifty cents on the dollar.

Do I get the Wife, Kids and Cars too! :Beer
 
If this is as you portray it Bryan then Liberalism has shot itself in the foot. They'd take my property only over my dead body.

"They paved Paradise, put up a parking lot."

The strange part is that the developers are probably Republicans. What a crazy ruling.
 
barry2952 said:
If this is as you portray it Bryan then Liberalism has shot itself in the foot. They'd take my property only over my dead body.

"They paved Paradise, put up a parking lot."

The strange part is that the developers are probably Republicans. What a crazy ruling.

Makes sense, the socialist get to take a whack at debasing the concept of private property and the business folks get to turn a bigger buck than if they played it straight. Ah, the circle of life!
 
barry2952 said:
If this is as you portray it Bryan then Liberalism has shot itself in the foot.
Isn't it a hoot to see who is on what side of policy. More legislating from the bench Johnny! I'm sorry but the libs are on the wrong side on more issues. It is really staggering for a guy like me to understand.

Heck, if they didn't do it this way, they would just raise the appraised value to jack the taxes so the poor schlep could no longer afford to live there.

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Hopefully this serves as an eye opener for those of you on the left.
 
Aw GEE, can't the liberals side w/ big money-hungry, oppressive buisnesses like pharmacuitacals ONCE in awhile? They're just trying to get a taste of the wine now and then! :N

I don't know the political scorecards of these justices, was the vote TRULY pure-partisan as you claim? Maybe the conservatives are pissed that the liberals sided w/ the developers this time and only opposed the vote to wage their own little filibuster?

Personally, I'd have to side w/ the property owners on this one. If that makes me a conservative (and I'm not yet convinced that it does), so be it.

Told you I'm not brand or party loyal.
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
Personally, I'd have to side w/ the property owners on this one. If that makes me a conservative (and I'm not yet convinced that it does), so be it.

Told you I'm not brand or party loyal.

Same here but in articles I've read it talks about big business pushing this issue. hmmmm Big Business and Liberals something doesn't sound right here.

But anyway shows you that it's not the right or left it's both! :Beer
 
I love this guy

It would be so great if this actually happened. Read the article. I love the name of the hotel and the cafe. Quite a funny guy and I think he is serious too. Gotta love those libs.


http://www.freestarmedia.com/hotellostliberty2.html

Press Release

For Release Monday, June 27 to New Hampshire media
For Release Tuesday, June 28 to all other media

Weare, New Hampshire (PRWEB) Could a hotel be built on the land owned by Supreme Court Justice David H. Souter? A new ruling by the Supreme Court which was supported by Justice Souter himself itself might allow it. A private developer is seeking to use this very law to build a hotel on Souter's land.

Justice Souter's vote in the "Kelo vs. City of New London" decision allows city governments to take land from one private owner and give it to another if the government will generate greater tax revenue or other economic benefits when the land is developed by the new owner.

On Monday June 27, Logan Darrow Clements, faxed a request to Chip Meany the code enforcement officer of the Towne of Weare, New Hampshire seeking to start the application process to build a hotel on 34 Cilley Hill Road. This is the present location of Mr. Souter's home.

Clements, CEO of Freestar Media, LLC, points out that the City of Weare will certainly gain greater tax revenue and economic benefits with a hotel on 34 Cilley Hill Road than allowing Mr. Souter to own the land.

The proposed development, called "The Lost Liberty Hotel" will feature the "Just Desserts Café" and include a museum, open to the public, featuring a permanent exhibit on the loss of freedom in America. Instead of a Gideon's Bible each guest will receive a free copy of Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged."

Clements indicated that the hotel must be built on this particular piece of land because it is a unique site being the home of someone largely responsible for destroying property rights for all Americans.

"This is not a prank" said Clements, "The Towne of Weare has five people on the Board of Selectmen. If three of them vote to use the power of eminent domain to take this land from Mr. Souter we can begin our hotel development."

Clements' plan is to raise investment capital from wealthy pro-liberty investors and draw up architectural plans. These plans would then be used to raise investment capital for the project. Clements hopes that regular customers of the hotel might include supporters of the Institute For Justice and participants in the Free State Project among others
 
I'm not going to say that the government's ability to rip off homeowners for profit is good, but I will say that the Patriot Act is a piece of crap that hardly does anything to protect our country yet is a way to get past the rights of people and kill the privacy given to us in the bill of rights.
 
No, its a way for us to jump over hurdles to get to the bad guys. If you're a bad guy, then you have something to worry about. If you're not a bad guy, why worry?
 
You call them hurdles, I call them rights. I'm not worried about getting in trouble, I'm worried about a trend where the government creeps its way more and more into the privacy of citizens. The patriot act has a few provisions that make it easier for the government to basically spy on people. I'll admit it is nothing too crazy, yet. But in a way it's just a start to what will probably happen in the future, total loss of privacy.
 
Foes in Congress Unite in Defense of Property
By Carolyn Lochhead
The San Francisco Chronicle

Friday 01 July 2005

Washington - House and Senate Republican leaders, backed by Democratic African American liberals, moved rapidly Thursday on legislation to blunt last week's Supreme Court decision allowing local governments to seize private property for economic development projects.

Rep. Maxine Waters, a liberal Democrat from South Central Los Angeles, and Rep. Richard Pombo, a rock-ribbed conservative Republican from rural San Joaquin County - who rarely join forces on any issue - were among a group that introduced a bill to cut off federal funds for cities that use eminent domain for such projects.

"Democrats and Republicans, conservatives and liberals are going to be organizing behind opposing the Supreme Court decision," Waters said. "It's like undermining motherhood and apple pie. I mean, people's homes and their land - it's very important, and it should be protected by government, not taken for somebody else's private use."

Pombo, a longtime property rights advocate, said anger at the court's 5-4 decision in a case from New London, Conn., had united rural landowners with suburbanites and city dwellers fearful that cities will eye their homes for hotels, malls or any commercial use they think will generate more tax revenue.

The Supreme Court "is way out of line on this," Pombo said. "There's nothing in the Constitution that allows them to step in and take property away from an individual and give it to somebody else."

The action in Congress comes just months after Republicans suffered intense criticism for trying to intervene in court decisions to remove life support for Terri Schiavo in Florida and as Capitol Hill readies for a clash over a potential Supreme Court vacancy.

The case was brought by the libertarian Institute for Justice and pitted nine landowners in New London against the city's efforts to build a marina, office and retail space on waterfront property near a new $300 million research facility built by pharmaceutical giant Pfizer Corp.

The nine homeowners included Susette Kelo, who bought her home in 1997, and Wilhelmina Dery, who has lived in her home since her birth in 1918.

The Fifth Amendment's eminent domain clause allows government to take private property for public use. Traditionally, this has meant land to build railroads, highways, schools and other public facilities. The government pays property owners a fair market price in exchange for the land.

The question before the court was whether economic redevelopment projects that convert private property to other private uses constitute a "public purpose."

The court, led by Justice John Paul Stevens, concluded that it does, arguing that the justices should defer to the decisions of local governments rather than "crafting an artificial restriction on the concept of public use."

Justice Sandra Day O'Connor dissented, joined by three conservative justices, saying the decision would allow condemnation of any property.

"For who among us can say she already makes the most productive or attractive possible use of her property?" O'Connor argued. "Nothing is to prevent the state from replacing any Motel 6 with a Ritz-Carlton, any home with a shopping mall, or any farm with a factory."

In eight states, not including California, state high court rulings provide a higher level of property protection than the US Supreme Court decision, said Dana Berliner, a lawyer with the Institute for Justice.

The legislation introduced Thursday, backed by the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., and its ranking Democrat, Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, would deprive cities of any federal funds for redevelopment projects that use the power of eminent domain.

In a first step toward the legislation, the House voted 231-189 Thursday in favor of an amendment to an appropriations bill that would bar the departments of Transportation, Treasury, and Housing and Urban Development from providing money to cities that use eminent domain for profit-making projects.

Pombo said he has no worries about criticism that Congress is again trying to interfere with the judiciary, "because we're right on this. Honestly, I'd be shocked if anybody voted against this bill."

Pombo noted that two prominent liberal organizations, the NAACP, a civil rights group, and AARP, a retiree group, sided with the property owners.

"It doesn't take a genius to look at this and figure out who's going to be hurt by it," Pombo said. "It's not the big developers. It's not the wealthy. They have influence. They can stop the city council from taking their property. It's the poor guy who doesn't even know who his city councilman is that's going to be hurt."

Pombo, of Tracy, won his seat in Congress and now chairs the House Natural Resources Committee in part because of his long crusade to protect landowners from alleged "regulatory takings" of their property through enforcement of such laws as the Endangered Species Act.

The Kelo decision raises the stakes, he said.

"This isn't about taking some farmer's ranch for endangered species habitat," Pombo said. "This is about taking your house because the city thinks it has a better use. This affects every homeowner in the country."

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco opposes the bill and said Republicans are trying to interfere with the judiciary again.

"This is in violation of the respect for separation of ... powers in our Constitution," Pelosi said.

Pelosi was careful not to say she approved of the high court's ruling. But she said the decision has been made and will require a constitutional amendment to reverse.

People for the American Way, which is leading liberal opposition to President Bush's judicial nominees, noted that the Kelo ruling is among several narrowly divided decisions that demonstrate the importance of the fight over any Supreme Court vacancy.

Elliot Mincberg, the group's legal director, said the case had been brought by the Institute for Justice as part of an effort by conservatives to elevate property rights to the same level of civil rights such as freedom of speech and religion, in effect taking the nation back to the pre-New Deal days when the courts ruled child labor laws unconstitutional.

Mincberg said the court had ruled that "legislatures should decide if a taking is for public use, and we shouldn't get to review it based on the vague wording of the Constitution."

Waters countered that city councils are not a good place for such decisions.

"I am offended by the idea that a big, rich pharmaceutical company could get this kind of decision to build condominiums around a complex they built," Waters said. "I worry about these little cities and towns where big, wealthy developers can influence elected officials with large campaign contributions and undermine what public use and eminent domain was meant to be."

Berliner, of the Institute for Justice, said poor areas were not the only ones targeted.

"Developers want prime real estate, so that's what cities condemn," Berliner said. "That means waterfront property, property in the center of cities, property near transportation hubs, property in areas that are up and coming. All of those routinely get condemned for private development."



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Boy, am I torn on this issue. This subject hit home yesterday during a 3-hour cruise up the Detroit River. The Canadian side has a gem of a waterfront in Windsor with walking paths and sculpture and greenery and most importantly, people.

The Detroit side had an univiting fortresslike look in the immediate downtown area and there was very little public access to the water. The rust-belt industries lining the shores were barely operating while polluting the water we share. I love this area but a boat ride would not be a good first impression of Detroit.

I think there is a danger in granting private rights to shorefronts. The stumbling block to ever connecting Detroit's riverfront is the Riverfront Apartments. People are barred from walking on their property, with the city's permission. I suppose they could connect it with a tunnel. Wouldn't that be a special place at night?

However, I believe there is a place for emminent domain in reference to regaining the water's edge for people to use.
 
This is a problem in NJ, corrupt politicians that get campaign contributions from contractors will be using eminant domain to knock down homes, build more homes on the property and claim that it is a town benefit because tax revenues increase. In the end, the contractors will be lining their pockets.
 
barry2952 said:
If this is as you portray it Bryan then Liberalism has shot itself in the foot. They'd take my property only over my dead body.

"They paved Paradise, put up a parking lot."

The strange part is that the developers are probably Republicans. What a crazy ruling.

Doesn't matter. The judges were liberal. Game over: Please surrender all personal rights at the gate. Do not pass GO, do not collect $200.00.
 
barry2952 said:
However, I believe there is a place for emminent domain in reference to regaining the water's edge for people to use.

Heck, let's just make ALL property across the United States communal for the public good and get this thing over with!

Oh, wait, that's communism.

Oh, well, barry, you can thank your lib/commie judges for that.
 
MonsterMark said:
You guy on the left bitch and moan about the Patriot Act which defends our country and then your cohorts in the US Supreme Court slip in the back door and steal your house and they don't even need a reason anymore.

I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR YOUR RESPONSES TO THIS. (Me starts making popcorn)

But who would you have to blame all the ills on??
 
Quasimoto said:
But who would you have to blame all the ills on??


I'm sorry, the ills?? I don't understand, someone explain this to me.
 

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