holy short runner cobra intake batman!

I was talking 2000lb Civic Vs 2000lb Civic, both optimized for their respective power plants.

My previous statements stand.
 
XLRVIII said:
+1

most people dont realize the more important numbers are the ones that fall "under the curve"..rather than the ONE number that represents the "PEAK" HP.

I can show you a car that has 10 less peak HP that will kick the DOG CRAP out of a car with 10 more peak HP, because the lower hp car has "more HP under the curve", since the owner was more worried about the correct numbers rather than shooting for a worthless "peak hp gain".

As said above..
peak numbers are for bragging ricers.
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I agree with you.

But that still doesn't change the fact that a properly done PSR intake(not like the one posted) will give you 20-30rwhp and lose hardly anything to a stock Mark intake down low. Even with deletes by 3000rpm you should be even if not making more power then stock. htrdlincoln98 is pulling 1.9x 60's with deletes.
 
93' Blue on blue said:
I was talking 2000lb Civic Vs 2000lb Civic, both optimized for their respective power plants.

My previous statements stand.
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Unfortunately I am not seeing it. If said 4 banger Honda made the 305 at lets say 4000rpm and the V8 one @ 5000rpm then the 4 banger is gonna win. Peaky or not HP is a mathematical equation. Torque is what pushed the car HP=Trq x RPM/5252. Only way it would matter is if when you say peaky you are inferring high RPM and then it can still be a winning deal :(
 
2002WRXSTi said:
Unfortunately I am not seeing it. If said 4 banger Honda made the 305 at lets say 4000rpm and the V8 one @ 5000rpm
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Wouldn't happen that way. And yeah, torque is what pushes the car, hence the big V8 wins.

If I said the peaky, 'full of holes' powerband 4 banger made 305 peak horsepower at 8500 rpm and the big, relatively flat powerband V8 made 300 peak horsepower at 5500 and everything else was same. Which would win?

It's a pretty simple concept, I can't believe the discussion is getting so deep. I used the 4 banger Civic vs a V8 Civic as a simple analogy to help others grasp the concept of peak HP numbers meaning nothing.

If peak number chasing was all that mattered, why get a quality tune? Might as well get an Ebay chip, right? That's almost what this discussion started from.
 
93' Blue on blue said:
Wouldn't happen that way. And yeah, torque is what pushes the car, hence the big V8 wins.

If I said the peaky, 'full of holes' powerband 4 banger made 305 peak horsepower at 8500 rpm and the big, relatively flat powerband V8 made 300 peak horsepower at 5500 and everything else was same. Which would win?

It's a pretty simple concept, I can't believe the discussion is getting so deep. I used the 4 banger Civic vs a V8 Civic as a simple analogy to help others grasp the concept of peak HP numbers meaning nothing.

If peak number chasing was all that mattered, why get a quality tune? Might as well get an Ebay chip, right? That's almost what this discussion started from.
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Yeah but if said 4 banger is boosted then it can very well make the 305 @ 4000rpm as my WRX made 405whp @ 4500rpm with 380ftp trq. There are plenty of ways to make HP now and people with good old V8's get PWNED all the time @ E-town :shifty:
 
There is always one factor people forget to add when determining torque, speed, acceleration, etc. Its very critical to factor this in when calculating otherwise everything will be off and the power band will look "ok" but real performance will be way off. Stickers. Remember, the more you have the faster it can "go".
 
2002WRXSTi said:
Yeah but if said 4 banger is boosted then it can very well make the 305 @ 4000rpm as my WRX made 405whp @ 4500rpm with 380ftp trq. There are plenty of ways to make HP now and people with good old V8's get PWNED all the time @ E-town :shifty:
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Well, we've gone way off topic. A simple analogy to help illustrate that peak numbers aren't everything in the case of a Mark VIII tune has turned into something else entirely.

Now you have started the forced induction 4 banger Vs V8 debate. I'll tell ya know. Mod for mod, and all other things being equal, a large displacement V8 will own a small displacement 4 banger. Period.

V8 > I4. Name ONE I4 that can run 4's in the quarter mile... Oh ya, there isn't one!

Plenty of V8's though...:D
 
93' Blue on blue said:
Well, we've gone way off topic. A simple analogy to help illustrate that peak numbers aren't everything in the case of a Mark VIII tune has turned into something else entirely.

Now you have started the forced induction 4 banger Vs V8 debate. I'll tell ya know. Mod for mod, and all other things being equal, a large displacement V8 will own a small displacement 4 banger. Period.

V8 > I4. Name ONE I4 that can run 4's in the quarter mile... Oh ya, there isn't one!

Plenty of V8's though...:D
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I hate when people compare 4 cylinders to v8 cars. Especially race cars.... Race cars are NOT impressive to me.
 
93' Blue on blue said:
V8 > I4. Name ONE I4 that can run 4's in the quarter mile... Oh ya, there isn't one!

Plenty of V8's though...:D
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Well our engines on Boost are one of the best but it's cause there two 2.3 I4's with 4 valve heads.

The engines doing 4's in the quarter are solid block Kieth Black Hemis. Not a real engine in our world of driving home on the streets or driving on the streets at all. However I do know one guy with a I4 trapping over 200mph and I saw it @ E-town done with a Busa ;)
 
Well, you shifted the goal posts by mentioning forced induction 4 bangers beating old V8's in the off topic discussion. I simply just shifted those posts a little further. :p
 
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