HELP!!! '03 LS Throttle Body HELP!!!

dexter

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Long Story Short: I need an '03 Lincoln LS V-8 Throttle Body.

My car started acting up on Saturday 10/17. It went in to engine fail safe mode and wouldn't hardly drive at all. I put it in the shop on Monday 10/19. They replaced a throttle position sensor or something like that on 10/20, but the car still didn't run. Something about a misfire on cylinder #2. On 10/21 they found out all the valve cover gaskets needed to be replaced along with the spark plugs and possibly the ignition coil packs. They quoted me like $800 plus whatever ignition coil packs needed to be replaced.

Well, luckily I called the dealer and they said I was still under the "extended service campaign" for that particular issue. So on 10/21 I had the car sent to a local dealer. The next day they told me everything would be covered. On 10/23 they said they had replaced the valve cover gaskets, all the spark plugs and all of the coil packs at no charge to me. "Great!", I say, "when can I pick up my car?"

Well, my car still didn't run right. They said the entire throttle body needed to be replaced and that it was on back order. Fortunately they said it was showing to be in stock on or around 11/1. 11/1 came and went so when I called on or around 11/4 they said the date had been pushed to 12/1.

About a week before Thanksgiving they started calling me wanting to know when I was going to pay them for the oil change and diagnostic work they did. I said I would pay for the oil change when I picked my car up and that I thought the diagnostic work would be removed once I fixed the problem. They said I was correct but that the parts arrival date had now been moved to 12/23 and they needed to be paid. I still haven't paid them anything.

Anyway, about a week ago I tried to source the part (used) off of the internet from some online parts companies. Well, I ordered one last Monday 12/7 and was supposed to receive tracking information within 48 to 72 hours, which is still no where to be found. I repeatedly called the company today to try and get the tracking information or that I was going to cancel my credit card payment. They promised me they would have it to me in 30 minutes about an hour and a half ago.

In the meantime I called the Lincoln dealer to see if the arrival date of the new throttle body was still 12/23. Lo and behold it has now moved to 1/31.

My car has almost been in the shop for 2 months and they are telling me it might be another month and a half. I assume they will probably push the date back once again so it could be even longer. I'm making car payments and keeping the vehicle fully insured. It's costing me $600 a month to not even drive the thing. I'm just lucky I have my first vehicle, a '95 Silverado, to drive me around in the meantime, and don't have to get a rental vehicle, which would be even more ridiculous.

I've also called Lincoln twice and they offered no assistance at all.

I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this or if they know where I might find a throttle body.

I've called several other places to try and find the throttle body, and they all say they have (1) in stock, but can't tell me where it will ship from or when exactly it will ship. I think all of their computer systems default to (1) so they can take my money and determine how to get the throttle body later. Problem is I don't think there are any to be had.

Please someone let me know if there is anything I might be able to do. I'm at a loss. I'd sell the car, but that's going to be hard since it doesn't run. If any of you guys have a spare throttle body from a modification you did please let me know.

Thanks,
Dex
 
I have one. I changed it thinking it was the cause of its shaking and going into failsafe when it was just the coils. Got a brand new one installed so I have the other one.
 
So you have a 2004 Lincoln LS V-8? Do you have the throttle body along with the electronics for it? Do you mind taking a picture? How much $$$?
 
Yeah 04 v8. I just have the throttle body. What electronic are you talking about? Yeah I'll snap I pic when I get home in a few hours. 80 plus shipping.
 
I'm not sure what electronics I'm talking about. I just know there are some electronics on mine that are messed up. I think they are internal since this is a drive-by-wire throttle body. Does the throttle body not have a connector for something to plug in to it? Sorry I don't know too much about this, but I've stayed away from working on this car for the most part as it's way more complicated than my '95 Chevy. Would you want to do some type of C.O.D. shipment, or is there another way that would work out better for you?
 
Whats a C.O.D shippment? Go to this link and check the picture on one of the last posts. The electronic things that are attached to the throttle body are still attached to the one that is not on my car right now, I think, But I am pretty sure they are. I'm guessing you mean one of these is gone bad.

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?p=602916#post602916
 
Yeah, I assume the large part on the right side of the throttle body is where the drive-by-wire electronics are located. I think the little black plastic piece on the lower left side is the throttle position sensor, which is what I originally replaced to no avail.

A C.O.D. shipment is cash on delivery where the shipping company doesn't give me the shipment unless I give them a money order or check. I think they then return the money order to you within a day or two. I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I could look in to it. I would cover the cost of shipping as well. Let me know if you have any other ideas on how you would like to work this.
 
The dealer is correct. There are 292 on back order with a tentitive release date of 1/31/10...they are also changing the p/n again so that may hold it up again. I would have them reassemble the car and drive it if it just dont run right but better than it did before the work. and then wait for the t/body to arrive. That sucker is 578.68 retail, and there are 8 at dealers around the country, who most likely will not sell because of the back order.
good luck
Max
 
there has been a rash of mis-diagnosed throttle-bodies on the Gen2 - where (as Alax said) turns out that the real issue is that misfiring coils intefere with the throttle-by-wire signal making the PCM think it's a throttle-body problem.

I believe it is most commonly coil #4 that is the problem.
 
@LS Yes, but they already replaced all of the coil packs and valve cover gaskets per my above explanation.

@Mrzee That might be what they retail for, but that's not what the dealer offered it to me at. It was considerably cheaper than that. And yes, I've been slowly determining that this is a real problem. I wish they would own up to it and help get me a rental car. Even if they put my car back together it doesn't drive. At all. It will barely go 5 MPH.
 
Dexter I sent you a private message.

I changed my coils too after running for about a month and half with misfires. worked fine for a week and began to misfire again. Thought it was injector but changed a few of those and nothing. Ford check it out and they read that there were some bad coils but they were all new. They swapped out new coils just to check and still misfired. They came to the conclusion that it was the pcm. Guess I ran it too long misfiring that it messed the computer up and made it think there was still a misfire so it acted like there was, something like that. Got another computer for the car and it worked. Prob not the same for you, they told me it was pretty hard to damage the computer with but it could happen.
 
there has been a rash of mis-diagnosed throttle-bodies on the Gen2 - where (as Alax said) turns out that the real issue is that misfiring coils intefere with the throttle-by-wire signal making the PCM think it's a throttle-body problem.

I believe it is most commonly coil #4 that is the problem.

Yes, misfires can cause a false throttle-body code, however, there is a known defect with the 03 throttle body.
 
Do you have any other information on the known defect regarding 2003 V-8 LS throttle bodies? Is it anything the manufacturer is standing behind? And does anyone know why there is such a huge back order? It seems like Lincoln should be doing something about this. Anyway, thanks for all of the responses. Alax, I'll get back to you this evening once I get home and have a chance to think this through.
 
Do you have any other information on the known defect regarding 2003 V-8 LS throttle bodies? Is it anything the manufacturer is standing behind? And does anyone know why there is such a huge back order? It seems like Lincoln should be doing something about this. Anyway, thanks for all of the responses. Alax, I'll get back to you this evening once I get home and have a chance to think this through.

I have no other info that I can share on this.
Ford is not standing behind this at this time. It may take another class action law suit before they will.
Why is there such a huge back order? - Because of the defect which is really beginning to show up and part production delays apparently due to some redesign of the part.
(In Ford's defense, this was one of their first stabs at ETC.)
 
there has been a rash of mis-diagnosed throttle-bodies on the Gen2 - where (as Alax said) turns out that the real issue is that misfiring coils intefere with the throttle-by-wire signal making the PCM think it's a throttle-body problem.

I believe it is most commonly coil #4 that is the problem.

+1

Radio frequency from the bad #4 coil bleed into the PCM located on the passenger side firewall.
 
I'm not sure what electronics I'm talking about. I just know there are some electronics on mine that are messed up. I think they are internal since this is a drive-by-wire throttle body.

The electronics they are talking about are probably inside the throttle body. The '03 was the first year for this (on my '03 it was overheating big time).
 
Hey dexter...

How did you get them to cover the valve gasket and COP replacement at the dealer??? Did you have to shout and scream? I really would like to know as I have oil in 3 of my COP wells and don't really want to fork over $80 per side to buy the gaskets. My car is an 03 LS8 as well with 48k miles. thanks for any info on this :)
 

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