heh check out this thread on LVC

[RigsLS]

... It might be awkward to some but not dumb at all. It's my car, me driving it, so leave all the f'ing controls to me.

Exactly, so why you lads over in here on the LS section, injecting all this Mark love ?

"... and putting gaylos in your headlights..."

Lincoln vs. Lincoln ???


If you're going to come onto the LS section of the forum and spout all your fascinating Mark stories and bash the LS,
you knew you were going to get some feedback, correct ?

 

[RigsLS]

...although I believe the word you are looking for is prerogative.

correct, right clicked for spell check and wasn't paying attention,
thank you so much for the correction. You're so much better than me!

Are we done with the Mark vs. LS sword fight ?

You have a whole section of the forum to yourselves and this you know!

 

[mark0101]

Exactly, so why you lads over in here on the LS section, injecting all this Mark love ?

"... and putting gaylos in your headlights..."

Lincoln vs. Lincoln ???


If you're going to come onto the LS section of the forum and spout all your fascinating Mark stories and bash the LS, you knew you were going to get some feedback, correct ?

I don't know why you said exactly since nothing you said was about what you quoted me on. I am member of this forum, not only the Mark VIII forum. Someone created this thread which included the Mark VIII and I commented.

If more people clicked the "todays post" or "new post" button, we wouldn't be having this conversation on this thread which was made to stir things up.

 

[RigsLS]

Like bringing water to the ocean! I think jrand said it best!

So we're done now right ?

We post about ours here: Lincoln LS - The newest Lincoln Performance car

you guys post about your over here: Lincoln Mark VIII - the last REAL Lincoln performance vehicle

 

[Alax7]

Dayum.

 

[ford nut]

Exactly, so why you lads over in here on the LS section, injecting all this Mark love ?

This whole thread is about a Mark lad in case you missed it.

If you're going to come onto the LS section of the forum and spout all your fascinating Mark stories and bash the LS,
you knew you were going to get some feedback, correct ?

As always, nothing new here.....except you.

If you paid attention there are a few members that have both cars.

 

[BlackLS06]

Which mark?
He has two.
One runs mid 13's n/a
One runs a real low 13's on boost, street tune nice car.
I guess you say "a shyt ton of mod."

Don't see too many numbers like that from a LS.

Just sayin....

Again all about going fast in a straight line.

It's still Xenon gas being charged no matter if it's AC current or DC current. If you meant the headlights, yeah the Gen 1 housing doesn't spread that good but Gen II have no problem with the spread.

And I guess that is what it is, I could care less about handling. I like a big two door cars with a V8 engine. My Town car is a whale and I do have complaints about how handling in that car is because of how floaty it is. But my Mark VIII, even if it handled better, I really wouldn't give a **** about it because it handles perfectly fine and I have no complaints.

Thats fine. For going fast straight the mark is better, for actual driving the LS is better. Guess that what it all boils down to?

 

[JoshMcMadMac]

correct, right clicked for spell check and wasn't paying attention,
thank you so much for the correction. You're so much better than me!

Are we done with the Mark vs. LS sword fight ?

You have a whole section of the forum to yourselves and this you know!

If your spelling and/or proofreading are that far off from the proper spelling, you should consider slowing down a bit. I never suggested I was better than you, but did want to clarify since that is not even close to a typo. Also...you are still deflecting from addressing my question.

Another indicator that you are just here spouting off and need to slow down is that you think I have a Mark VIII.

 

[1LoudLS]

I personally prefer the interior of my old mark to my LS dashes, at least the mark didn't need to paint every thing silver to make it look expensive. all the controls pointed toward the driver, better. speaker placement, way better.

however I would love to slap the sh!t out of the guy that thought it was a good idea to only put one damn cup holder in a five person vehicle!

I love my LS, ive owned two of them. but it will be my last, if ever anything should happen to it, I doubt i would be replacing it with another. done with all the same BS problems with it and the lack of things you can do with it has just grown old and stale. now if the right 98 LSC came around for a good price, I would be all over that.


anybody claiming that "their car is the best" is a damn fool. its like comparing rifles to shotguns. they are nothing alike. sure in dome instances a rifle is what is needed to get the job done, but there are other times like foul hunting where its not going to cut it.

 

[RigsLS]

This whole thread is about a Mark lad in case you missed it.

Again ... in the LS section of the forum, bashing of the LS by Mark owners.
and why Yes, it was a Mark owner in the Lincoln MKS section bad mouthing the LS.
I was fully aware that this is/was a thread about a Mark owner bad mouthing the LS and you knew there would be feedback!

Here's a thought, keep the LS bashing within the Mark VIII section so we don't have to look at it here. Not everyone appreciates it.

As always, nothing new here.....except you.

C'mon now, you can do better than that! Someone coaching you over there, if so, you should fire her!

If you paid attention there are a few members that have both cars.

Duh really, me so dumb, me never seen that. Again, how does that justify this dumb thread with those belittling comments about "gaylo rings in our headlights" from a Mark owner in the LS portion of this forum?

Were you impressed ?

If your spelling and/or proofreading are that far off from the proper spelling, you should consider slowing down a bit. I never suggested I was better than you, but did want to clarify since that is not even close to a typo. Also...you are still deflecting from addressing my question.

You are now focusing your attention on a word I hastily auto corrected with the wrong word in spell check. <slow clapping>
If I understood correctly there is a small sentence you put together a few posts ago that didn't exactly adhere to correct grammar.

"deflecting from addressing your question" where did you learn this ... debate school?

Try and understand I don't owe you anything, not a clarification, not an answer not even a page long explanation. You need to just except the fact of the statement which was my expression of my dislike of the dash and console.
You don't like it, too bad for you, now isn't it? not everyone is going to like others taste that's why we have options in life and that's why we are all unique individuals. Unique individuals with different tastes.

How is it awkward compared to the LS, that was your question to me?
who gives a rats *ss, just except the fact that I find it butt ugly, dumb and awkward looking.

Another indicator that you are just here spouting off and need to slow down is that you think I have a Mark VIII.

Who replied to it? (even showed you a picture of the, in my opinion, ugly dash)
Then you stepped in and now confused with me spouting off too fast because you seem to think I stated "Hey Josh, I don't like your dash in your Mark VIII"

Clearly I posted a picture of a dash which I don't appreciate as much as you do. Please don't try and place me in confusion of which dash you may or may not own.
That wasn't the point and if that's all you got ... <one moment> ... oh sorry Josh, I was yawning, you know what that means ?
It means you are boring me at this point. Good luck with it all.

 

[BlackLS06]

The mark interior is even worse than the exterior imo. We spend all of our time in our cars, so i am really picky with interiors. Love the LS interior, not so much the first gen but gen II has a very nice interior. Love the woodgrain accents.

Not a fan of the gauge cluster and wish it were blue instead of green, but still nice. I don't spend everyday all day long doing wot pulls trying to see how fast i can go in a straight line so i could care less about the mark having a better engine for bolt ons.

And if i really did, well i have a 5.4 i could do that with. I do agree with you Loud, the issues are stupid and tiring. But when the car works, its pretty damn amazing. Ford could have made it even better but they failed.

 

[chris2523]

i heart the Mark wrap around dash. if i could have that, with the 2nd gen LS gauge cluster, i would be set.

 

[1LoudLS]

give me the wrap around dash, the Mark amount of doors, the LS body, and a terminator drivetrain (mark'ish) and I would look no further!

 

[mark0101]

give me the wrap around dash, the Mark amount of doors, the LS body, and a terminator drivetrain (mark'ish) and I would look no further!

Dressed up mustang in a Lincoln tux, yeah I would buy it. Apparently they are going to come out with one in 2015.

 

[lincoln_zero]

Again ... in the LS section of the forum, bashing of the LS by Mark owners.
and why Yes, it was a Mark owner in the Lincoln MKS section bad mouthing the LS.
I was fully aware that this is/was a thread about a Mark owner bad mouthing the LS and you knew there would be feedback!

Here's a thought, keep the LS bashing within the Mark VIII section so we don't have to look at it here. Not everyone appreciates it.

Agreed.
See, that's sorta exactly it. In an MKS thread, a Mark owner, for no damn good reason, bashes the LS in the thread linked in the Original Post. Its stupid in every way.




At the End of the Day, comparing the two is not so far as much as "Apples to oranges" as it is to "Fresh Apples to Stale Apples.".
Both cars are Luxury Sport vehicles. Both cars were meant for speed. both cars are targeted for a mid range age group.
Difference is, LS is 4 doors, Mark is 2. Otherwise, they contend very well against each other despite what some people Say... The LS, IS the successor to the Mark 8.
Now, the reality is, the MARK 8 is only quicker ONCE MODIFIED.
In a Stock for Stock scenario, the latest Mark VS Latest LS, its no contest, in EVERY Category. Luxury, Speed, quarter mile, suspension. No one can deny this. LS Does out perform the Marks.
Add some boltons, and Mark is slightly faster to the STOCK LS. Still loses in every other category, because its a predecessor. That simple. Anyone who wont accept this simple Logic, is living in Denial.






One Last thing that gets me agitated:
People who mock and insult the 3.9 because it doesn't have Readily available Bolt-ons to propel the LS into 13's and 12's in a quarter mile.
The AJ 3.9 Is a FANTASTIC Engine. It produced more raw power than the 4.6L and its smaller and consumes less fuel. In many ways, the 3.9 is better than the 4.6L.
The AJ is still made by Jaguar. On Jaguar's site, they wrote that its a bored AJ.

The new 5.0 is NOT a 4.6L bored out. Its a whole new engine, because, well, ... you figure out why (same reason Ford dont use that oh so great engine)

 

[lincoln_zero]

that car review linked earlier had an as tested price of $47k for an 03.



in the same way the 4.6 is still alive, but modified.

4.6 to 5.0.

3.9 to 4.2.

Not true, what so ever bro. 4.6L is GONE. Bye bye. So long, useless gas guzzling insult to V8's.


FROM WIKIPEDIA:


"
The 5.0 L (4951 cc, 302 cid)[9] "Coyote" V8 is the latest evolution of the Modular engine. This engine had to remain close to the same physical size of the outgoing 4.6, and share other specifications with it such as bore spacing, deck height, bell housing bolt pattern, etc. in order for the engine to utilize existing Modular production line tooling. The result was the 5.0 Coyote, which produced roughly the same amount of power as its competitors, but with a much smaller displacement. To strengthen the block enough to handle increased output, webbing was extensively used as reinforcement in the casting, rather than increasing the thickness of the walls. The intake plenum was also situated low between the two cylinder banks to meet the height constraint, thus the alternator traditionally placed low and center was moved to the side of the engine. It shares the 4.6 L's 100 mm (3.937 in) bore spacing and 227 mm (8.937 in) deck height,[11] while bore diameter and stroke have increased to 92.2mm (3.629 in) and 92.7mm (3.649 in), respectively. The engine also retains the 4.6 L's 150.7 mm (5.933 in) connecting rod length, which produces a 1.62:1 rod to stroke ratio.[12] The firing order has been changed from that shared by all previous Modular V8s (1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8) to that of the Ford Flathead V8 (1-5-4-8-6-3-7-2).[12] Compression ratio is 11.0:1, and despite having indirect fuel injection (as opposed to direct injection) the engine can still be run on 87 octane gasoline.

The Coyote features all new 4V DOHC cylinder heads that have shifted the camshafts outboard, which allowed for a compact roller finger follower setup with remote hydraulic valve lash adjusters and improved (raised) intake port geometry. The result is an intake port that outflows the Ford GT intake port by 4 percent and the Yates D3 (NASCAR) intake port up to 0.472" (12 mm) lift, which is the maximum lift of the Coyote's intake cams. Engine redline is 7000 rpm.[12]

The Coyote is Ford's first implementation of its cam-torque-actuated (CTA) Twin Independent Variable Cam Timing (Ti-VCT) in a V8 engine, which allows the power-train control module (PCM) to advance and retard intake and exhaust cam timing independently of each other, providing improved power, fuel economy and reduced emissions. The engine is assembled in Ford's Essex Engine Plant in Windsor, Ontario, using existing Modular tooling.
Source(s):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Modular_engine "




Original Post: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130310190513AANNVTG

 

[chris2523]

calm yourself. i'm aware.
they changed the 3.9 too. they added VVT. and some other changes too..

An all new direct injection 5.0 L engine family was introduced in 2009 (all new engine block). New featuring: spray-guided direct-injection, continuously variable intake and exhaust camshaft timing. The naturally aspirated engines also feature cam profile switching and variable track length inlet manifold. Supercharged engines make use of a sixth-generation twin vortex supercharger. The 10 model year engine conforms to EU5 and ULEV2 emissions regulations.
The engine is controlled by Denso's Generation 1.6 Engine Management System.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_AJ-V8_engine

its changing as well. its just newer.
the 4.6 / 5.0 is still a mod motor the same way the 3.9 / 4.2 / 5.0 is still an aj v8. modified. like i said.

also.

V8 LS engine HP: 252 to 280.
Mark VIII engine HP: 280 to 290.

so not more raw power, and not better mileage.

the 4.6 is a solid engine. utilized in a wide number of cars, and in a large number of variations.
not even all of them were fords, or even ford subsidiaries.
but, time has passed it by. its been around since 92 for petes sake.
newer tech exists now. it'll get to the aj v8 too. just wait.
it'll get shelved right along side the other 4 cam V8s.

fwiw, stock for stock, my 93 beat an 00 v8. i've never run a 2nd gen.
the latest mark viii is slower than the earlier marks.


you say people should stop bashing, but i see you doing quite a bit yourself.

1991–1993 Lincoln Town Car, 190 hp (142 kW) and 270 lb·ft (366 N·m)
1992–1997 Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis, 210 hp (157 kW) and 270 lb·ft (366 N·m) with dual exhaust option
1998–2000 Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis, 215 hp (160 kW) and 285 lb·ft (386 N·m) with dual exhaust option
2001–2002 Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis, 235 hp (175 kW) and 275 lb·ft (373 N·m) with dual exhaust option
2003–2012 Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis, 239 hp (178 kW) and 282 lb·ft (382 N·m) with dual exhaust option
2004–2011 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, 250 hp (186 kW) and 297 lb·ft (403 N·m)
1994–1997 Lincoln Town Car, 210 hp (157 kW)
1994–1995 Ford Thunderbird, 205 hp (153 kW) and 265 lb·ft (359 N·m)
1996–1997 Ford Thunderbird, 205 hp (153 kW) and 280 lb·ft (380 N·m)
1994–1995 Mercury Cougar, 205 hp (153 kW) and 265 lb·ft (359 N·m)
1996–1997 Mercury Cougar, 205 hp (153 kW) and 280 lb·ft (380 N·m)
1997–2010 Ford F-Series, 248 hp (185 kW) and 294 lb·ft (399 N·m) ratings for 2007 and later model year F-Series
1997–present Ford E-Series, 225 hp (168 kW) and 286 lb·ft (388 N·m) ratings for 2001 and later model year E-Series
1997–2004 Ford Expedition, 232 hp (173 kW) and 291 lb·ft (395 N·m) ratings for 1999 and later model year Expedition
1998–2000 Lincoln Town Car, 205 hp (153 kW)
2001–2002 Lincoln Town Car, 235 hp (175 kW)
2003–2011 Lincoln Town Car, 239 hp (178 kW) and 287 lb·ft (389 N·m)
2002–2005 Ford Explorer, 239 hp (178 kW) and 282 lb·ft (382 N·m)
1996–1997 Ford Mustang, 215 hp (160 kW) and 285 lb·ft (386 N·m)
1998 Ford Mustang, 225 hp (168 kW) and 290 lb·ft (393 N·m)
1999–2004 Ford Mustang, 260 hp (194 kW) and 302 lb·ft (409 N·m)
2003–2005 Rover 75, 260 hp (194 kW) and 302 lb·ft (409 N·m)
2003–2005 MG ZT, 260 hp (194 kW) and 302 lb·ft (409 N·m)
2011–present MV-1, 248 hp (185 kW) and 295 lb·ft (400 N·m)
2005–2009 Ford Mustang, 300 hp (224 kW) and 320 lb·ft (433 N·m)
2006–2010 Ford Explorer, 292 hp (218 kW) and 315 lb·ft (427 N·m)
2007–2010 Ford Explorer Sport Trac, 292 hp (218 kW) and 315 lb·ft (427 N·m)
2009–2010 Ford F-Series, 292 hp (218 kW) and 320 lb·ft (433 N·m)
2010 Ford Mustang, 315 hp (235 kW) and 325 lb·ft (440 N·m)
2006–2010 Mercury Mountaineer, 292 hp (218 kW) and 315 lb·ft (427 N·m)
1993–1998 Lincoln Mark VIII, 280 hp (209 kW) and 285 lb·ft (386 N·m)
1995–1998 Lincoln Continental, 260 hp (194 kW) and 265 lb·ft (359 N·m)
1996–1998 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra, 305 hp (227 kW) and 300 lb·ft (407 N·m)
1997–1999 Panoz AIV Roadster, 305 hp (227 kW) and 300 lb-ft (407 N-m)
1995–1998 Lincoln Mark VIII LSC, 290 hp (216 kW) and 295 lb·ft (400 N·m)
1997–1999 Marcos Mantis GT, 320 hp (239 kW) and 317 lb·ft (430 N·m)
1999–2002 Lincoln Continental, 275 hp (205 kW) and 275 lb·ft (373 N·m)
1999/2001 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra, 320 hp (239 kW) and 317 lb·ft (430 N·m)
2000–2001 Qvale Mangusta, 320 hp (239 kW) and 317 lb·ft (430 N·m)
2003–2005 MG X-Power SV, 320 hp (239 kW) and 317 lb·ft (430 N·m)
2000–2009 Panoz Esperante, 305 hp (227 kW) and 300 lb·ft (407 N·m) [10]
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1, 305 hp (227 kW) and 320 lb·ft (434 N·m)
2004 Ford Mustang Mach 1, 310 hp (231 kW) and 335 lb·ft (454 N·m) [11]
2003–2004 Mercury Marauder, 302 hp (225 kW) and 318 lb·ft (431 N·m)
2003–2005 Lincoln Aviator, 302 hp (225 kW) and 318 lb·ft (431 N·m)
2003–2004 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra, Iron block, Supercharged, 390 hp (291 kW) and 390 lb·ft (529 N·m)

 

[1LoudLS]

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY AJ!

the greatest engine delivered from the hand of god

 

[RigsLS]

Fn thread didn't even offer any popcorn. Pissing contest gone nowhere.

 

[jmtiseo]

Better late than never. Just missed the opening credits.

 

[JoshMcMadMac]

The mark interior is even worse than the exterior imo.

Since jack-wagon will not answer my question, perhaps you will be more reasonable; what is wrong with the Mark VIII interior?

 

[BlackLS06]

Since jack-wagon will not answer my question, perhaps you will be more reasonable; what is wrong with the Mark VIII interior?

Personal preference, i don't like it. Same way i don't like mustang interiors pre 2005. Styling is subjective, some like what others hate and vice versa. I could care less for that cockpit feel, it just doesn't appeal to me.

For example, i think the town car has a much nicer interior for the same year.

 

[JoshMcMadMac]

Personal preference, i don't like it. Same way i don't like mustang interiors pre 2005. Styling is subjective, some like what others hate and vice versa. I could care less for that cockpit feel, it just doesn't appeal to me.

For example, i think the town car has a much nicer interior for the same year.

So it is the layout that does not appeal to you, not the fit finish?

 

[Telco]

 

[roman_capps]

haha I have read your comment and I agree the mark 8 is a custom ford Taurus with the Lincoln badge and the LS is a jaguar with a Lincoln badge. now I have been in both I like the mark 7 and mark 8 they are beautiful machines I also love the 4.6 which is the one I have in my town car. Now the LS is a good car also but I also noticed one person said the mark 8 had air suspension well so does the Lincoln LS. To me the LS can be a money pit I drove my friends LS with in ten seconds of driving it overheated and started to smoke now when he told me it was hydraulic I didn't believe him then I looked and I was wrong that was the first time I saw a hydraulic powered fan it was also wasn't aligned right so it kept pulling to the left so I kept jerking the wheel right to keep from going in the ditch but, I can say they are fairly decent my friends LS had 180k on the clock and no engine problems except the fan. at one time I wanted a LS until I found out about the 3.9 V8 that kinda scared me about them but my friend has the 3.0 V6 which I also like that engine too. all in all I can say I like the LS better the 3.0 v6 is more reliable and doesn't have the same problems as the 4.6 but I can say my 4.6 V8 has 190k on the clock and no problems so im a happy person. Also lol to the bottom comment short story she hit a dog long story it was in pet smart. it would've been funnier if it was at micheal vick's house you made my night

:I[video=youtube;ggB33d0BLcY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggB33d0BLcY[/video] at 0:22 is how I laughed when I saw your bottom coment