Gen 1 V8 Stroker Kits

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Been trying to locate information on dimensions on the 3.9 Gen 1 Crank, I have a Jag AJ8 4.2 Crank and rods and was thinking of buying another 3.9 off of flea bay to use as a test mule.

The 4.2 XK/XKR motor had the same bore to the Gen 1 at 86 mm but the stroke was inceased to 90.3 mm over 85mm. Also the jags had vvt where I do not.

If anybody has a Gen 1 crank out of their engine I would like to get some dimension and pics prior to buying the Flea Bay motor so that I have the confidence that it may work.
 
i may be able to help you out. i spun a bearing so i'll have my crank out soon. let me know what you need and i'll try to help you and myself at the same time. since there are no rebuild kits for the 3.9 i have to find an alternative..possibly the 4.0 or 4.2 kit. the thought has entered my mind to swap to a 4.6 or even see if i could cram a 5.4 under the hood. but i'd much rather stick with the 3.9!
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_AJ-V8_engine

Jaguar has don't significant revisions to this engine over the years so interchangeability might be a problem. Note that the engine can displace up to 5.0l.

Also, 2000lsv8, you should know that the 4.6 and 5.4 are externally identical in size. However, most 5.4l are truck engine and will have larger intake manifolds.
 
Also, 2000lsv8, you should know that the 4.6 and 5.4 are externally identical in size. However, most 5.4l are truck engine and will have larger intake manifolds.

5.4 block is taller/wider. (4.6 deck height is 8.937'' and 5.4 deck height is 10.079'')
 
You guys are funny. The ford ENGINEERS couldn't get a 4.6 swap to work in the LS. Well, and be streetable, that is.
 
And bucketmouth, from my understanding by reading cammerfe's posts in this very section, he seems to believe you can just disable the VVT through tuning.
 
You guys are funny. The ford ENGINEERS couldn't get a 4.6 swap to work in the LS. Well, and be streetable, that is.

Just to clarify my earlier statement I was talking about the 5.0 based on the Jag block that was used for racing not the new one in the Mustang. My somewhat realistic dream for the LS would be to swap in the supercharged 4.2 S-Type R engine or at least take the R's internals and fit them to the LS block... Problem is R type engines aren't exactly easy to come by and when you find one they aren't cheap.
 
Just to clarify my earlier statement I was talking about the 5.0 based on the Jag block that was used for racing not the new one in the Mustang. My somewhat realistic dream for the LS would be to swap in the supercharged 4.2 S-Type R engine or at least take the R's internals and fit them to the LS block... Problem is R type engines aren't exactly easy to come by and when you find one they aren't cheap.

My post wasn't in reference to your's anyways :D
 
Hey Pec---The successful swap-in of the five-litre '4.6' was done, on contract, at McLaren. It necessitated a new intake manifold so the hood would close
In order to 'turn off' the VVT, it seems that it will be necessary to plug the internal oil passages to the cams that provide the actuation. A comprehensive re-programming for the new engine parameters will be done to top things off.

Bucket, what crank dimensions do you need?
KS
 
Hey Pec---The successful swap-in of the five-litre '4.6' was done, on contract, at McLaren. It necessitated a new intake manifold so the hood would close
In order to 'turn off' the VVT, it seems that it will be necessary to plug the internal oil passages to the cams that provide the actuation. A comprehensive re-programming for the new engine parameters will be done to top things off.

Bucket, what crank dimensions do you need?
KS

Looking at the clearance of the crank counter weights, on my 4.2 liter crank they are NOT knife edged, so was curious if I would have a block interference problem, everything else looks good as in journal and bearing surfaces.
 
I can't answer a question regarding counterweight interference from personal experience. However, I've been around FoMoCo most of my life, and I have doubts that they'd change the block design in such a way as to cause a problem. And it's quite common to do a little free-hand relief in a block when going to different internal parts.

Do I understand that you are considering the use of an entire 4.2 rotating assembly in the 3.9 block?
KS
 
Hey Pec---The successful swap-in of the five-litre '4.6' was done, on contract, at McLaren. It necessitated a new intake manifold so the hood would close
KS

Yes, but that car was hardly finished, the dash didn't work or something, it was not something people would call a finished project or swap or anything.

I'm pretty sure anyone can put any motor that will fit in the LS... but it will not be conected to the LS's electronics. So if your building a stock car than yay but if you want it to be nice to drive and have all the wonderful features, then no.
 
I can't answer a question regarding counterweight interference from personal experience. However, I've been around FoMoCo most of my life, and I have doubts that they'd change the block design in such a way as to cause a problem. And it's quite common to do a little free-hand relief in a block when going to different internal parts.

Do I understand that you are considering the use of an entire 4.2 rotating assembly in the 3.9 block?
KS

Yes....
 
Yes, but that car was hardly finished, the dash didn't work or something, it was not something people would call a finished project or swap or anything.

I only drove it about three miles or so. I didn't notice anything not working but I can't say that EVERYTHING worked.
KS
 
I only drove it about three miles or so. I didn't notice anything not working but I can't say that EVERYTHING worked.
KS

Maybe we're not talking about the same car. I thought the McLaren LS was supercharged and never worked right?

There was another done by Ford engineers, One Lap Of America LS but that was supercharged too. (How did McLaren do what Ford engineers couldn't?) I'm not saying your wrong Cammerfe, I guess I'd like to know or learn more about this 4.6 LS

If they made a 4.6 LS work, why have we not discussed this or am I suffering from Alzeimers? Would your build not be easier with a 4.6? Mod potential is at the max with the mod motor..
 
Maybe we're not talking about the same car. I thought the McLaren LS was supercharged and never worked right?

There was another done by Ford engineers, One Lap Of America LS but that was supercharged too. (How did McLaren do what Ford engineers couldn't?) I'm not saying your wrong Cammerfe, I guess I'd like to know or learn more about this 4.6 LS

If they made a 4.6 LS work, why have we not discussed this or am I suffering from Alzeimers? Would your build not be easier with a 4.6? Mod potential is at the max with the mod motor..

The 4.6 makes a lot more sense to build especially with the aftermarket available.

I was also looking at alternatives to power plants evening looking back at the old push rod 5.0/5.8 as they build a super streeter 5r55 trans for the older cars.... and with the pushrod design I can has between the shock towers....


So if I prioritize swaps I would go with

# 1: 4.6 if clearance issues are solved, 4.6 will bolt up to 5r55 with no issues Aluminum Block 473 # dressed cast iron 530# dressed

# 2: 5.0 / 5.8 as I t can be run standalone and the trans has a seperate controller available 302 Dressed 450# 5.8 liter dressed 510#

# 3: 4.2 stroker or 4.2 type r swap even the stock 3.9 liter roughly 510-570# dressed

# 4: Sell the car and buy a Maruader

CamvsPushrod_000.jpg
 
Engine swap

Here's the story---
Back in '01-'02 I was in the midst of writing what turned out to be a 14 part series on the build-up of an FE engine. We started writing this for Mustang illustrated Magazine and finished-up in Mustang and Fords Magazine. Two articles were in regard to the C-6 trans (with GearVendors OD) and to do it right I needed a planetary kit from Motorsport. When I called regarding availability, the result was to arrange to meet one of the Motorsport-connected engineers at the Mclaren prototype fabricating facility in Livonia. While I was there, I not only got my trans parts, I got a comprehensive tour of the shop. They had two '02 LSs there. They were busy shoehorning a pair of 5 litre versions of the 4.6 into them. As I said, above, this necessitated the use of specially-cast intake manifolds. Cast from magnesium, they looked slightly 'squashed' but had no reduction in flow characteristics.

During this first visit, one car was just setting to one side and the other one had the front sheet metal removed and the engine was in place. I asked how soon they expected to have it running and was told that it was to be finished within a few days so as to be ready for a 'presentation to management'. The worst that could happen would be a 'no', so I asked if I could 'take one around the block' at sometime in the near future. It must have been about two weeks later that I was invited back. The facility was located on a dead-end street to the north of Plymouth Rd., so we went out on the main drag and up a couple of miles and back, in the mid-morning traffic.

The word around town was that FoMoCo had produced an experimental run of nikasil-process blocks for the 4.6, resulting in a displacement of 5 litres and that they'd been 'tuned' to 400HP. I was told that this design was the engine swapped into the LSs. I hadn't yet bought my own LS but if memory serves, the test car, during the short trial, seemed to pull as you'd expect from 400 HP.

Although I'd driven an LS from a local dealer, I was unfamiliar with the details of the controls. I can't say that the rear-view mirror memory worked or the pre-sets on the radio. But the engine ran just fine and the transmission shifted. And I personally know people that would be capable of programming such a combination without any great effort. The 'One Lap' guys might not have had time to get things together but it's completely inaccurate to say that it couldn't be done just because they didn't get it done.

Among other reasons, I have no interest in a 4.6 because the classes I 'own' are limited to 4.2 litres. (E/F CC & E/F SS).

KS
 
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