Colin Powell Endorses Obama

[Bob Hubbard]

You know, with all this talk about racism, why do you people who support Obama take no issue with the fact that this man attended a black racist church for 20 years? What, you don’t think he believes that stuff that Wright preached. Please explain that so we can all be clear on it.

First. You gotta remember, the lying sack of politician never heard any remarks by the reverend that could be considered racist or derogatory of the country.
Yeh right, and I just one $250,000,000 in my states lottery.
Bob.

 

[shagdrum]

There's a flaw in your rhetoric, Bob, Powell and Oprah have voted for white presidents, unless you believe this is the first time they're voting.

There has never been an option to vote for anything other then a white president before.

 

[foxpaws]

Well, I am behind - Calabrio - post #14

By your first statement, you think that some whites congratulate themselves for voting for Obama just because he is black?

I imagine there are those who do this. Why? Maybe guilt, or looking for a different type of change, or maybe to appear 'above all this race stuff'. I don't know. but, I am sure you are right that there are those that are going to vote that way.

Isn't it quite a different set of circumstances when you are voting 'for' something, there isn't quite the 'bad' connotation here. Voting against Obama just because you claim that you dislike all blacks and mistrust all blacks is a lot different isn't it? Where if you are voting 'for' Obama because you feel guilty that perhaps blacks haven't had a fair chance in America, or that you think that the best chance for change in this country will come from a black man, that doesn't seem to be on par with the 'against' statements.

Certainly there are those that are afraid that Obama is a communist marxist racist, they are voting their conscious. But there are those that are just voting against him because of the color of his skin, period. They wouldn't vote for Clarence Thomas for president, obviously not because of idealogy, which might march directly with theirs, but because his skin is black.

Well, my weak point regarding this election will have to stand, the selection of Asian descent candidates is quite narrow.

Now, when I looked up racist - in regards of whites voting 'for' Obama because he is black this is the definition I found - is this pretty much how you define 'racist' Calabrio? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Definition 1. I don't know if voting 'for' someone because their skin color is different than yours qualifies there. I doubt if most of the white people voting for Obama believe that blacks are "superior and have the right to rule others".

Definition 2. The second definition doesn't really apply here.

Definition 3. As far as voting for Obama if you are white - well, obviously you aren't voting for him because you have hatred or intolerance for blacks. Maybe a vote for Obama if you are white indicates you have a hatred or intolerance for whites? Sort of a weird stretch there.

Of course, speculation on Cabinet on either side is very much that, just speculation. I certainly think by you saying "Obama will pick some fringe socialist, perhaps a friend of Bill Ayers, to fill that position. " How do you know what he will do, how do you know what McCain will do. I guess I don't have the amount of insight that you do.

I do know what names have been thrown around on the Obama side - Luger looks like he will get something - perhaps Secretary of State. Treasurer - Summers or maybe Rubin. Defense - Obama has indicated he probably will stay with Gates. Believe me when you see the lists... it is pretty much a very socialist communistic radical bunch if you ask me.
http://www.newsmax.com/politics/obama_cabinet_secretary/2008/09/29/135736.html

So, you think Obama is a Marxist, you really do - hummmm.

And I won't debate the keating/contra/mccain effect - not because I can't - I won't, I would much rather make a case for voting for someone rather than all the smear that happens when you get into the pit of why you should vote against someone. I fight the smear against Obama, but that doesn't mean I am willing to spread it against McCain.

I was afraid to post at your 'why are you voting for obama' thread Calabrio, for good cause, it just became smear against Obama. I would hope that if you posted a thread that was about the reasons you are voting for McCain/Palin that I wouldn't be over there smearing. I might ask a question or two - but, hopefully in the spirit of finding out more.

I do respect the fact that you personally didn't use that thread as an opportunity to just smear.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

There's a flaw in your rhetoric, Bob, Powell and Oprah have voted for white presidents, unless you believe this is the first time they're voting.

I never said they hadn't voted for white people in the past.
Obviously they did because white men were the only candidates.
Now that a black is running they overwhelmingly support him.
I don't think this support is based on qualifications rather, the color of his skin.
If I am wrong in my analogy, explain why neither one of the aforementioned never endorsed some other candidate in past campaigns..
I can't say all blacks, but certainly the majority, some who never voted before, are jumping on the Obama bandwagon, simply because they can relate to him because he is black.
I have heard coments, as I'M sure you have, "I am voting for him because I'M black, and he's black".
A month or so again, at an Obama rally, a news reporter was taking to some of the people attending the rally.
On camera, she stopped to ask a black women why she felt it was important to be at the rally, and who she was going to vote for.
The lady answered, "I'M voting for him because he's a brother"
No comment about if he were qualified to be president, just, "He's a brother".
If there is anyone on this forum that can make sense of comments like these in support of this black dude.Please explain the thinking of the black community regarding the campaign of Barack Obama.
Bob.

 

[Calabrio]

Isn't it quite a different set of circumstances when you are voting 'for' something, there isn't quite the 'bad' connotation here.

No, that is the most ham fisted logic I've heard you espouse to date.
Using the very same logic, I could say that the resident racist here is not voting "against a black man" but "FOR" the white guy.

Certainly there are those that are afraid that Obama is a communist marxist racist, they are voting their conscious. But there are those that are just voting against him because of the color of his skin, period.

And that's just as bad or backwards as voting FOR McCain for the color of his skin as well. See in an honest world, that racist blade is sharpened on both sides. You can't pick and chose if you want to be intellectually honest about it.

Of course, speculation on Cabinet on either side is very much that, just speculation. .....I guess I don't have the amount of insight that you do.

Why don't you tell us what you THINK he will do.
In fact, just repeat what you said in the other thread:

And there is every reason to believe that Obama will chose his advisers from the people who currently surround him.

First - obviously these people believe in him, and he has chosen them to advise him within his campaign. If he gets elected, and assuming he will want a second term, doesn't it make sense to continue the associations that 'got him to the White House'? And maybe avoid the ones that could be damaging?....... They have made choices to look for advice from men who have a mix of current/future viewpoints that they respect.


You added this point...
Certainly you look at the past - where both men have made questionable (and depending on your point of view 'wrong') choices. But, I personally give credence to current associations and decisions, and give this present day viewpoint a lot more "weight".

Unfortunately, Obama has never changed or denounced his affiliations. He's never had a pivot point in his life where he suddenly shifted to the middle.

He's been immersed in radical leftist ideology since he was a teenager looking for an identity. There is ZERO reason to think that he's suddenly going to find a circle of mainstream, respected outsiders to fill in the ranks around him.

I do know what names have been thrown around on the Obama side - Luger looks like he will get something - perhaps Secretary of State. Treasurer - Summers or maybe Rubin. Defense - Obama has indicated he probably will stay with Gates. Believe me when you see the lists... it is pretty much a very socialist communistic radical bunch if you ask me.
http://www.newsmax.com/politics/obama_cabinet_secretary/2008/09/29/135736.html

First, I wasn't talking necessarily about all the cabinet level appointees. I'm also talking about his advisors.
I also don't agree with that authors assement at all. It's purely speculation and I disagree with his opinion completely.
The list of appointees might get a little more bold if he were to take office and enjoy the Democrat, supermajority that would likely accompany him.

So, you think Obama is a Marxist, you really do - hummmm.

In other threads you've acknowledged that Obama likely shares the same political ideology with Bill Ayers.
You also said that Bill Ayers political philosophy hasn't changed since the 60s, just that he's found better, more subversive methods of spreading it.

Noting all of this, how would you define this common philosophy?

 

[fossten]

So, you think Obama is a Marxist, you really do - hummmm.

I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody.

- Barack Obama

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

- Karl Marx

 

[lincolnx2]

Thankfully I have never had that terrible experience you describe but, I can answer the reason GM and Chrysler shipped production out of the country.
Very simply put, the unions caused ALL the problems we have in the auto industry.
The workers , under union direction, priced themselves right out of jobs.
The auto makers simply could not afford to hire American workers, and pay all the things the unions demanded.
Henceforth, they moved to produce some product out of the country where labor is not as costly.
That can never be blamed on any administration, it was union greed and that's all.
So electing your buddy to the presidency, or anyone else to the office, is not going to help the auto industry one bit.
Let's take a look at the most successful auto maker in the world, Toyota.
How did they get there, and more importantly, how have they remained there?
NO UNIONS.
Perhaps you may want to rethink you statement above.
No adminintration caused the problems in the auto inddustry.
Obviously you agree with the black dude's position on getting out of Iraq.
The only thing I can say to you on that position is, SHAME ON YOU.
Of all the people in the world, our beloved service men and women who have fought and died for freedom for that country were there for the honor to serve.
Leaving (surrendering if you will) is a kick in the teeth to all who served, and died
Leaving with our tails between our legs would not honor those who gave so much, let alond the disgrace at giving up.
Saying you held your best friends brains in youir hands in Iraq tells me you were one of those service men or women.
You better than anyone else should have a firm grasp on just what has been accomplished there, and what a cowardly withdrawell would mean to the region, and the rest of the world, let alone our standing in the world.
Iam truly sorry you lost your best friend, but war is NEVER easy.
Withdrawell is the easy way out.
i don't think you or Obama, or for that matter, anyone who supports him, and his position have given any thought to what leaving now, would do.
I was under the impression all our fighting forces in the region were on the same page.
Obviously not.
Bob.

I support Obama because i did three tours in Iraq, i lost friend in Iraq, it easy for you to be Pro War from your living room. Iraq was secure with Saddam in office, people always say Iraqi's want us there maybe they should go over there! i have never met an Iraqi that was happy with us being there.

 

[lincolnx2]

You support Obama because you lost friends in Iraq??? Boo forking hoo! It's war, soldiers die!

People like you chose to be "soldiers" for the free education money. You never thought you'd be in a hot zone while you earned your money for college. You were hoping to put in your 4 years, ten get out. Now that you had to deploy, you bitch and moan about it.

REAL soldiers choose to be soldiers because they love their country and want to serve, not because they want free money. And if need be, they will die for the honor to have served.

I never thought I'd hear a service member say that he'd support a guy because he would advocates US soldiers coming back defeated. Shame on you. PM me where you're stationed in the sad box, and I'll see about paying you a visit with some REAL soldiers that would be more than glad to educate you.

But fear not we'll be in the sandbox for many years to come, even if Obama gets to be POTUS.

Frogman i am with the 101st, afganistan now, so u and your real soldiers come on and stoip watching CNN coverage on your HDTV.

 

[Joeychgo]

I never thought I'd hear a service member say that he'd support a guy because he would advocates US soldiers coming back defeated.

You know, funny thing is... I've never heard anyone but a republican make the statement that we would be defeated if we left.

I think we already won.

I also dont think we should return just yet.

Of course, I think Iraq owes us $1 Trillion too. Good luck collecting.

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

Racism coming in now. Thats the last ditch effort. Go to the race card when you cant think of anything else logical to make your point.

For me, if you watch the above posted video of Colin Powell on Meet the Press, you can see EXACTLY how I feel about making my decision. Powell hit every point directly on the head for me. Its as if he was speaking for me.

:I

All this race crap is :bsflag: If Powell was going to support Obama only because of his race, he would've embraced him 6 months ago. It wasn't until the recent down-turn of McShame's campagn into a smear machine, and his erratic behavior in the face of the financial meltdown, that Powell made this very difficult decision (for him to part ways w/ the GOP).

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

Frogman i am with the 101st, afganistan now, so u and your real soldiers come on and stoip watching CNN coverage on your HDTV.

I salute you and your service to our country.

 

[Frogman]

Frogman i am with the 101st, afganistan now, so u and your real soldiers come on and stoip watching CNN coverage on your HDTV.

Oh yeah? I'm sure we can arrange something. Which brigade are you with?

BTW, WTF is STOIP?

 

[Frogman]

I think we already won.

And it's your right to think whatever you want, Joey. But the truth is, we have NOT won. We're still getting shot at.

I also dont think we should return just yet.

That would be bad... since we haven't won yet.

Of course, I think Iraq owes us $1 Trillion too. Good luck collecting.

I'd send them a bill for 5 trillion. Hell, they won't be able to pay one trillion, so I'd make it five. But I agree with you... Good luck collecting.

 

[foxpaws]

I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody.

- Barack Obama

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

- Karl Marx

Actually Obama was talking about minimal marginal utility, but, Joe the plumber probably couldn't grasp that concept...

 

[lincolnx2]

Oh yeah? I'm sure we can arrange something. Which brigade are you with?

BTW, WTF is STOIP?

1-61 Cav 4th bde, lol u are hilarious, tell your "real soldier friends" hurricane katrina dont count as deployment.

 

[lincolnx2]

it pisses me off when people say we have won in iraq, if we won people wouldnt be dying, and for you to say its a war, soldiers die, thats wrong! thats like saying they're females, they get raped! the war was not needed Gen Colin Powell realized that and resigned, and Cpt. McCain still wont admit it, by the way Gen is the highest rank that can be achieved in the military, Cpt is just over half way there.

 

[Frogman]

1-61 Cav 4th bde, lol u are hilarious, tell your "real soldier friends" hurricane katrina dont count as deployment.

Yawn...

it pisses me off when people say we have won in iraq,

I didn't say we won in Iraq. Unless your reading comprehension is crap... then I can see how you may have thought I said that.

and for you to say its a war, soldiers die, thats wrong! thats like saying they're females, they get raped!

US Soldiers have a choice whether or not they want to be soldiers. It's a CHOICE! Been there, done that before you were out of diapers.
Women don't have much of a choice on what sex they're born with.

the war was not needed Gen Colin Powell realized that and resigned.

I never said the war "was" needed. I could go into why Powell left, but you wouldn't understand.

by the way Gen is the highest rank that can be achieved in the military, Cpt is just over half way there

You don't say? I thought it was a private... of wait... that would be what you are, right?

 

[lincolnx2]

Yawn...

Y the "Yawn" U and your "soldier buddies" aren't hopping on the first flight here, LOL......... U are a POSER just like majority of these people on here supporting McCain. I hope your child does not join the military and becomes another casulty to the Bush/McCain occupancy of Iraq. Majority of people that are not voting for Obama, are doing so because he is a race other than white. He isnt Black, he is other! Look at the economy, how can you want this to go on for another 4 years? How many more companies have to move overseas? America is falling, and its falling quick! Iran's president even said so he recognizes that America is alone, Britain pretend to be there with there 4000 troops compared to our 162,000. Get a clue.

 

[Frogman]

Sentence structure. Spelling. Punctuation.

Some of the things you'll need to adopt in written conversations in order to be taken halfway seriously.

"Y" and "U" are NOT words, pinhead.

Barack is "other"? Hell, you better tell him that! He calls himself black!

 

[MonsterMark]

Look at the economy, how can you want this to go on for another 4 years?

You're so full of crap I think it is time for you to go to the latrine.:lol: (Military joke for Frogman's benefit).

I import, export, and manufacture domestically.

Until you've been a business OWNER in this country, you don't know sh!t.

How many more companies have to move overseas?

Thank God we have so many useful idiots in this Country to run around and throw more gas on the fire. Liberalism IS the problem and you want to put a socialist in charge. LMAO.

America is falling, and its falling quick!

ANd you have no clue why.

Maybe when you get out of the military, you'll get an education with Uncle Sam's money (actually it comes from the evil rich guy) and hopefully start a business, attain a wife, get a house, kids, etc. etc. Only then will your eyes open.

Right now you are much better off taking orders from your superiors.

 

[Frogman]

Actually, we called it "head".

 

[MonsterMark]

Actually, we called it "head".

No sh!t! Pardun the pun.

I've been bidding on this contract so I am well informed when it comes to rectal ejections.:lol: And trust me, there is plenty of rectal ejection going on around here.

I figured I'd pick up a 4th one just to deal with the liberals on LvC.

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[MonsterMark]

Rush nails Powell....

It's all about RACE.

Also, Powell is PRO-Abortion and PRO-Affirmative Action.

 

[lincolnx2]

You're so full of crap I think it is time for you to go to the latrine.:lol: (Military joke for Frogman's benefit).

I import, export, and manufacture domestically.

Until you've been a business OWNER in this country, you don't know sh!t.



Thank God we have so many useful idiots in this Country to run around and throw more gas on the fire. Liberalism IS the problem and you want to put a socialist in charge. LMAO.


ANd you have no clue why.

Maybe when you get out of the military, you'll get an education with Uncle Sam's money (actually it comes from the evil rich guy) and hopefully start a business, attain a wife, get a house, kids, etc. etc. Only then will your eyes open.

Right now you are much better off taking orders from your superiors.

Are u serious? I am 25 years old, i have owned a house, sold a house and had a wife and ended up selling her (divorce) it was better to get rid of them because your president (Bush/McCain) who ever the hell u want it to be, keeps send me to foreign lands when our home front does not have it all together, and u were right its latrine. I dont have too many superiors!!!!

 

[MonsterMark]

Before the crackheads start inundating this thread, Thank You for your service to this Country.

You're backing the wrong horse in this race.

Take a look at what Biden is saying today. When are headed into a firestorm with Obama at the helm. Hope you sleep well.

Also, pack your bags. You'll be going to Africa soon enough.