Clinton could have stopped 9/11
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FreeFaller
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Oh wait...you're right...here's a pic of some Iraqi's protesting the damage we've done to their education system.
Jamler3
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RRocket said:
IF THEIR EDUCATION SYSTEM WAS SO GREAT... WHY DO THEY HAVE SO MANY STUDENTS ON EDUCATION VISAS HERE IN THE US???????????????
IF WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE, WHY ARE NOT OTHER NATIONS LOOKING TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO IRAQUI UNIVERSITIES? PLEASE DUDE... EVER WONDER WHY STUDENT TO TEACHER RATIO IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD? I'M SURE YOUR STUDY WAS FOCUSED ON WHAT THEY HAD, BUT NOT COMPARABLE TO US UNIVERSITIES... AGAIN IF SO? THEN WHY DO STUDENTS COME FROM AROUND THE WORLD TO ATTEND US UNIVERSITIES?
PREPARE TO BE OWNED???? WHAT A SMUG WISEASS YOU ARE......
FreeFaller
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Yeah, I like that "prepare to be owned"...
I try to never use that phrase because it is just overused...that and I can always be shown that I am wrong.
Just not today...not by him...
I try to never use that phrase because it is just overused...that and I can always be shown that I am wrong.
Just not today...not by him...
fossten
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The way you use Baghdad to represent conditions in the whole country is a joke. That's like saying that since Mexico City has 20 million people, Mexico must be the most populated nation on Earth!
Of course Saddam took care of Baghdad. He lived there, after all. As number one poo-bah king despot, he wasn't going to slum, now, was he? But what about the rest of the country? Crap.
Finally, your argument does nothing to refute my original contention that WE didn't go in there and lay the civilian country waste like General Sherman in the Civil War. We didn't destroy schools and hospitals. Many of them were in states of disrepair and neglect, and that's backed up by data shown by your own liberal press!
Of course Saddam took care of Baghdad. He lived there, after all. As number one poo-bah king despot, he wasn't going to slum, now, was he? But what about the rest of the country? Crap.
Finally, your argument does nothing to refute my original contention that WE didn't go in there and lay the civilian country waste like General Sherman in the Civil War. We didn't destroy schools and hospitals. Many of them were in states of disrepair and neglect, and that's backed up by data shown by your own liberal press!
JohnnyBz00LS
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fossten said:
No, it was WMD, WMD WMD. Remember? Short term memory loss?? Did I forget to mention we invaded Iraq because of WMD!!
fossten said:
Yeah, that must be it. That and the fact that OBL said that to a reporter HIMSELF!
fossten said:
Nope, the "terrorists", for the most part, were NOT in Iraq until we attracted them there. Now all the Islamic extremists terrorists are converging on our troops on their own turf (the sandbox), where THEY have the ADVANTAGE! I'm not arguing the point that it's better to have that battle there rather than here, ONLY that GW under-manned, under-prepared, under-planned, under-equipped our troops to do that job, and in essence sent them on a suicide mission. Way to go G-dub!
Who's talking about schools and hospitals? I'm talking about all the bombed-out homes and buisnesses. Who can think about school when you don't have a bed to sleep in at night? And RRocket has a valid point. Iraq was NOT a 3rd world country. If our goal is to "rebuild countries in need", there are MANY countries in much more need of our help than Iraq. How hypocritical of the right to pat themselves on the back for "rebuilding a country in need" when they really didn't need, nor ask us for help, then turn around and maintain the attitude of "screw the lazy, jobless, homeless asses" here in our own country.fossten said:
HAHA, that's funny Johnny, but did you know that Zarqawi has been running terrorist cells in about 5 other countries from Iraq for many years before the war?? Check your facts buddy.
Fact is, it was a 3rd world country besides the capitol because that's where the Suuni's were. Where did you get all this info on all the wonderful things that went on back when Saddam was the glorious ruler? Were the power plants built next to or on top of the mass graves?? Were the control rooms adjacent to the rape and torture rooms?? I forget, can you tell me please? You may disagree with the war, and that's fine, but atleast get out of this stupid fantasy world. NO ONE HAS EVER SAID IRAQ WAS BETTER OFF WITH SADDAM!!! No one but ultra ultra left wing nut jobs. Truth is most lefties, even though they hate the war, can concede it's good we got Saddam out of power. YOU guys are so off base, you're not even part of the DNC. Go back to Canada or something.
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MAllen82 said:
My statements are all true and absolutely correct. Prior to US involvement in Iraq (which is pre-Gulf war 1, 2, and this time around) Iraq was among the top in both education and health in the Middle East. You don't have to believe me. If you think it is so "bogus" YOU do the research. I did mine and I stand by what I said. It's 100% correct. As far as Iraquis schooling in the US, big deal. Our biggest foreign student body here by far are Americans...does that mean US higher education is in shambles beacsue they come here? Certainly not, although our higher education institutions are superior to many in the US. And as far as the "Malibu", the people who are our friends lived in Iraq for years and years...and not in any foxholes. Iraq was beautiful. I'd scan the pictures from them and post them here, but no doubt they'd be called "fakes" or something. There is nothing fabricated in anything I post. It's your opinion if you choose to think it's BS. Ask your fearless leader Bryan. He has known me for sometime and I think he'll tell you I'm no liar....At any rate, you're free to believe whatever you want.
FreeFaller
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fossten
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Iraq itself is/was a beautiful country. That's absolutely true. But its people were living under the fear of oppression, racial divisions, a despot ruler, genocide, and political mass murder.
Johnny misses the point again. WMD was the issue, but Saddam's countless violations of U.N. resolutions was the reason we went to Iraq.
The way you Fiberals talk, it's like you want us to lose the Iraq war.
Johnny misses the point again. WMD was the issue, but Saddam's countless violations of U.N. resolutions was the reason we went to Iraq.
The way you Fiberals talk, it's like you want us to lose the Iraq war.
MonsterMark
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MAllen82, I'm chuckling at that one. Ron (RRocket) IS from Canada.MAllen82 said:
As for Ron, he is a good guy. A little left of center but a good guy.
As for the quality of life provided by Saddam for all, I cannot make an opinion.
If Ron says there were good schools and hospitals, I am sure there were.
But what is good? And what are the standards we are comparing to when a statements like "Iraq was among the top in both education and health in the Middle East" are made? I don't know myself. Seems to me one can be the biggest goldfish in the fish bowl but be the smallest fish when out in the sea.
Would I go to Iraq for healthcare or send my kids there to go to school? No thanks.
I would say that we as Americans have not been afforded the true picture from the media. What I see are lots of broken cement and concrete and people running around with 3rd hand clothes on.
My opinion is Iraq is far better off without Saddam and Iraqis would already be enjoying a 'western style' quality of life if not for the terrorists bombings and sabotage at every turn.
We will rebuild Iraq. It will be envy of the Middle East. They will become our friend. They will pump their oil for us. They will join the rest of the world in fighting muslim extremism. If only we don't roll over and listen to people like Cindy Sheehan (nutjob) and Russ Feingold (Wisconsin Senator). These are people readily willing to accept defeat for America. They feel if we lose, others will win. And that is the furthest from the truth.
fossten
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MonsterMark said:MAllen82, I'm chuckling at that one. Ron (RRocket) IS from Canada.Send him back, heck, he already is in prison.
I'm glad I live in Jesusland!
MonsterMark
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I can't believe I live in the United States of Canada. Eieegads.
JohnnyBz00LS
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MAllen82 said:
SO? Did I claim that Iraq was "terrorist free"?? Check your reading comprehension buddy.
Its pathetic how the RWWs here continue to pat themselves on the back for "making progress in Iraq", based on how much "rebuilding" is going on. BFD. That's a pretty lame yardstick to use to measure "progress". REAL progress in Iraq is measured by a reduction in the rate that our soldiers are dying. And it ain't happening yet! It's WAY past time for BuSh to fish or cut bait. Perpetuating the status-quo in Iraq is only resulting in an ever increasing number of American soldier's deaths.
MonsterMark
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I have watched many of the Mulsim terrorist videos where they glorify the sniper shootings and IED bombings. The fact that we have 150,000 guys on the ground of there, many sitting ducks, I thank God everyday that more are not dying at the hands of these godless people.JohnnyBz00LS said:
The United States murder rate is higher per capita than that of Iraq. Why aren't you protesting against our own citizens who kill each other at a much higher rate than almost anywhere in the world.
Here is an interesting chart.
Eventually, if you kill enough of the bad guys, crime goes down. Interesting.
So Johnny, is it good that there are no rape and torture rooms and no mass graves anymore?? Is it bad that they are voting and are living free? Just answer those two questions with a simple yes or no, and then you can go on a tireade of how stupid I am.
fossten
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Oops, double post. Sorry.
fossten
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JohnnyBz00LS said:
Ooo, Johnny, I'm impressed. This is the most pathetic thing you've done. You've proven that you and your anti-war Clinton-types are the paper tiger bin Laden spoke of. You people have never had the stomach for any casualties. So we've lost 2,000 soldiers? Egads! What do we do? You, my friend, can take the below list and wad it into a paper ball and swallow it!
BTW, the bloodiest war ever in terms of deaths for the US was WWII, run by, yep, you guessed it, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a DEMOCRAT!
*owned* It's getting easier and easier.
America's Wars: U.S. Casualties and Veterans
American Revolution (1775–1783)
Total servicemembers
217,000
Battle deaths
4,435
Nonmortal woundings
6,188
War of 1812 (1812–1815)
Total servicemembers
286,730
Battle deaths
2,260
Nonmortal woundings
4,505
Indian Wars (approx. 1817–1898)
Total servicemembers
106,0001
Battle deaths
10,001
Mexican War (1846–1848)
Total servicemembers
78,718
Battle deaths
1,733
Other deaths in service (nontheater)
11,550
Nonmortal woundings
4,152
Civil War (1861–1865)
Total servicemembers (Union)
2,213,363
Battle deaths (Union)
140,414
Other deaths in service (nontheater) (Union)
224,097
Nonmortal woundings (Union)
281,881
Total servicemembers (Conf.)
1,050,000
Battle deaths (Conf.)
74,524
Other deaths in service (nontheater) (Conf.)
59,2972
Nonmortal woundings (Conf.)
unknown
Spanish-American War (1898–1902)
Total servicemembers
306,760
Battle deaths
385
Other deaths in service (nontheater)
2,061
Nonmortal woundings
1,662
World War I (1917–1918)3
Total servicemembers
4,734,991
Battle deaths
53,402
Other deaths in service (nontheater)
63,114
Nonmortal woundings
204,002
Living veterans
fewer than 500
World War II (1940–1945)3
Total servicemembers
16,112,566
Battle deaths
291,557
Other deaths in service (nontheater)
113,842
Nonmortal woundings
671,846
Living veterans
4,762,0001
Korean War (1950–1953)
Total servicemembers
5,720,000
Serving in-theater
1,789,000
Battle deaths
33,741
Other deaths in service (theater)
2,827
Other deaths in service (nontheater)
17,730
Nonmortal woundings
103,284
Living veterans
3,734,0001
Vietnam War (1964–1975)
Total servicemembers
8,744,000
Serving in-theater
3,403,000
Battle deaths
47,410
Other deaths in service (theater)
10,789
Other deaths in service (nontheater)
32,000
Nonmortal woundings
153,303
Living veterans
8,295,0001
Gulf War (1990–1991)
Total servicemembers
2,225,000
Serving in-theater
665,476
Battle deaths
147
Other deaths in service (theater)
382
Other deaths in service (nontheater)
1,565
Nonmortal woundings
467
Living veterans
1,852,0001
America's Wars Total
Military service during war
42,348,460
Battle deaths
651,008
Other deaths in service (theater)
13,998
Other deaths in service (nontheater)
525,256
Nonmortal woundings
1,431,290
Living war veterans
17,578,5004
Living veterans
25,038,459
fossten
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JohnnyBz00LS said:
I just can't stop, Johnny. Not when you put such hanging curveballs over the plate like this.
Bob Dylan wrote that song in 1963 to criticize John F. Kennedy (Democrat) for the Vietnam War (run by Democrat Presidents).
MrScalia
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I watch the 2 part show on 9/11 , and what it didn't do is go back to Iran-Contra Affair where after the CIA worked with it's hands tied ever since. Yes Iran-Contra was very bad (and thank god Olli North stepped up and took one for the team)
The CIA was our bad guys that did :q:q:q:q that had to be done. Why becuse thier are terrorist and they dont play by our rules
As it was stated how we had Usama Bin Laden and could had taken him out but he was with a saudi prince hunting
I would put a lot more blame of 9/11 on the congress they felt with no cold war Iran-Contra it was better to :q:q:q:q the CIA and not
let them do what they do.
Who closed most of the bases in CA ?? who cut a armed forces in 1/3 to save money? OUr own road scholar Tricky Bill.
Thier is a lota bad in our Govmt but Bill and Hillary are poster childern for what wrong with the gov.
The CIA was our bad guys that did :q:q:q:q that had to be done. Why becuse thier are terrorist and they dont play by our rules
As it was stated how we had Usama Bin Laden and could had taken him out but he was with a saudi prince hunting
I would put a lot more blame of 9/11 on the congress they felt with no cold war Iran-Contra it was better to :q:q:q:q the CIA and not
let them do what they do.
Who closed most of the bases in CA ?? who cut a armed forces in 1/3 to save money? OUr own road scholar Tricky Bill.
Thier is a lota bad in our Govmt but Bill and Hillary are poster childern for what wrong with the gov.