just to let you and everyone like you know i "gave" the gun to my brother I hope you are just trying to be captain fact finder. and not captain kotex.
No, you jackass! I'm trying to keep you out of jail by attempting to educate you on ATF rules. What you do with this information, that's all up to you. It won't be I who's rotting in jail because I "gave" my brother a rifle.
I was thinking at first i would have to pick it up in person. but i suggested to the store owner that it would be an easier process seeing how my brother is an Arkansas resident. the shop owner liked the sound of that.
You... suggested to the shop owner to release it to your brother because it's an easier process? I have news for you, the process it the same whether or not you're an AR resident. Form 4473 is the same. Furthermore, that FFL will now be liable since he KNOWS (according to your statements) that your brother isn't the person who won the raffle.
I did not pay for a gun i payed for a raffle spot. the gun is free. or it would considered a lottery which is illegal to hold in the state of Arkansas without the proper licensing
Seriously? And this gun shop owner is going along with this drivel?
First of, whether of not you pay for a firearm, if you get it from an FFL dealer, you have to go through a 4473 form. No exceptions. It don't matter if
God himself gives you a firearm he created himself, if he's an FFL he will have to have you fill out a 4473. I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea.
I know that sounds backwards as hell but it is Arkansas[
And Arkansas state gun laws supersede Federal gun laws now?
i did not win the raffle the ticket did. i decided to give the ticket to my brother so the actual gun will be registered in my brothers name not mine so therefore it is completely legit.
will do my brother will be picking it up on monday in the am. i am in Tennessee at home now. the only bummer is i probably wont touch it until mid march. but shat for $10 i will wait a year... i am looking at a 6.8 upper for it now
Yeah... ok. keep telling yourself that. Remember, the IntewebZ have a long memory.
so in essence i gifted the win to my brother he will actually own the gun he is just going to loan it to me for 40 or so years.
Right.
and one more thing its rules like this that are stripping our gun rights from us.
No, rules like these keep honest people honest.
IMHO i shouldn't even have to register my firearms.
Register a firearm? Do you even know WTF you're talking about?
I have never been convicted of a felony.
Good for you. Want a cookie or something?
I am a American born citizen. and a lot of our solders died to give my these natural born rights.
Ok. Run for office and help change the law then.
for some scared little batch who doesn't want to arm himself to take that right from me and those solders just plain PISSES ME OFF!!!! these people think by setting these rules is going to take guns out of bad peoples hands? bullshat they dont follow the rules anyways.
When did this thread turn into an anti gun thread, again?
every other gun i own is unregistered and were purchased before all these bullshat rules were put in place.
including my 1st gen colt peacemaker
my model 70 series 70 gold cup 1911
among 18 others those are just my favorite two
these are all safely tucked away in a huge safe about 30 min from me they are cleaned every 3 mo. and shot every 6 mo. or so
There you go. Tell everyone on the interwebs what unregistered firearms you own and where they are. Reeeeeeal smart there, skippy.
If I may make a humble suggestion? Don't argue ATF laws as they pertain to Firearms with a licensed dealer. I have at least 30lbs worth of books that are full of state and federal laws as they pertain to firearms and explosives.
Pray to whatever God you believe in that rifle never gets stolen or is used for shooting someone... legal or otherwise. Because when that happens, you will experience the wrath of the ATF once they start tracing the history of that firearm.
