Believe it or not

[JoeyGood]

I just spent the last few hours watching this stuff. Yes I said the last few hours. Now since I know what I know and saw what I saw during 9/11 some of this stuff does in fact sound true and some of it has been proven true. I know this will start up a big stink but the other day we did get in to a big thing about something similar. Just take a look at some of the videos and let me know what you think.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...8848&q=In+Plane+Site+&+Loose+Chang&pr=goog-sl

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

:eek2:

This would be *quite disturbing* (to put it mildly) if it is true. It would turn the entire world on it's head. I'll admit that I was very skeptical until the footage of the explosions going off on the floors below as the towers fell. I'm going to have to review independant footage to convince myself. But DAMN!

 

[JoeyGood]

I know what you mean and to think they are comming out with a movie about flight 93 which is total crap if you ask me if the plane was sighted landing some where eles

 

[Joeychgo]

Interesting...

 

[Calabrio]

I'm not going to spend 90 minutes watching that crap.

It's not interesting, it's idiotic and deceptive.



www.loosechange911.com

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

 

[JoeyGood]

I'm not going to spend 90 minutes watching that crap.

It's not interesting, it's idiotic and deceptive.

What would make say it's deseptive? I know what i saw cuz i was right in front of the buildings actully working in one of them. Some of the news casts did not pick the extra explosions but some did.

 

[Joeychgo]

I'm not going to spend 90 minutes watching that crap.
It's not interesting, it's idiotic and deceptive.
www.loosechange911.com

How can you know its idioc and deceptive if you didnt watch it?

Im not saying I believe their claims. While it raises some questions, I think it would have been damn near impossible to get so many people involved in a cover up of an attack against our own country. Although it would explain Bush doing nothing for 7 mins.

 

[fossten]

What would make say it's deseptive? I know what i saw cuz i was right in front of the buildings actully working in one of them. Some of the news casts did not pick the extra explosions but some did.

Is it narrated? If so, I only need to invoke the name Michael Moore.

Remember Good Morning Vietnam, where Cronauer "interviewed" the President, asking him about his balls?

It's easy to twist things around when you have editing equipment and timely narration.

 

[fossten]

How can you know its idioc and deceptive if you didnt watch it?

Im not saying I believe their claims. While it raises some questions, I think it would have been damn near impossible to get so many people involved in a cover up of an attack against our own country. Although it would explain Bush doing nothing for 7 mins.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: If Bush is such a dolt, like you people say, how could he have been smart enough to orchestrate such a nefarious plot?

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Calabrio]

How can you know its idioc and deceptive if you didnt watch it?

Because I'm familiar with the conspiracies, I visited the website, and I watched a few minutes of it.

Im not saying I believe their claims. While it raises some questions, I think it would have been damn near impossible to get so many people involved in a cover up of an attack against our own country. Although it would explain Bush doing nothing for 7 mins.

So, as you acknowledge, it's not true. Thus it is idiotic and worst of all, deceptive.

 

[Calabrio]

Are you seriously so confused you believe nonsense like that video? So, just much blind and irrational hatred do you have to have for both the country and the President in order to believe that crap?

 

[JoeyGood]

Is it narrated? If so, I only need to invoke the name Michael Moore.

Michael Moore is a :q :q :q :q head and looking to get into anything he thinks will make him MOORE money. This is actually pointing out what some do not see or want too see. Lets leave the facts about the pentagon and focus on the WTC, how would buildings like that fall in position with out at least one of them leaving behind at least a good chunk of the building (not one but both for that matter did not leave anything. you would think at least one of them would fall of to the side.) with a few floors since both were over the 80 floor count

 

[Calabrio]

Michael Moore is a :q :q :q :q head and looking to get into anything he thinks will make him MOORE money. This is actually pointing out what some do not see or want too see. Lets leave the facts about the pentagon and focus on the WTC, how would buildings like that fall in position with out at least one of them leaving behind at least a good chunk of the building (not one but both for that matter did not leave anything. you would think at least one of them would fall of to the side.) with a few floors since both were over the 80 floor count

Leave out the wild speculation and distortions about the pentagon you mean. O.k.

And "you would think it would..." is not an argument. You would think is not an argument based in physics or engineering.

But what do you mean, "would have left behind a good chunk." Did you see the WTC site?

 

[JoeyGood]

Are you seriously so confused you believe nonsense like that video? So, just much blind and irrational hatred do you have to have for both the country and the President in order to believe that crap?

I was born in this country and love it to death and would do what is needed to defend it. But when you have clips like this actually showing what happened frame by frame and recall that day I was standing right there with explosions going off at the bottom and glass being blown out all over the place. Now answer me this if you will. If the buildings were hit way above even if there was gas pipes leading down to the ground floors and beyond they would explode if not stop the spreading of before they got to the ground floor and any fire marshal that has inspected restaurants would tell you there are cut off valves for that reason. So what caused the explosions I'd seen?

 

[JoeyGood]

Leave out the wild speculation and distortions about the pentagon you mean. O.k.

And "you would think it would..." is not an argument. You would think is not an argument based in physics or engineering.

But what do you mean, "would have left behind a good chunk." Did you see the WTC site?

I was there then and after and even have pics of the after when i had to retrieve the back tapes from the WFC(world financial building on Vessy street)

 

[JoeyGood]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: If Bush is such a dolt, like you people say, how could he have been smart enough to orchestrate such a nefarious plot?

You can't have it both ways.

Clearly he wasn't the head of this plot as you call it but he did make out on it as did the rest of them did. (Be it money or power he made out) I can elaborate on power if you wish know. But that is a whole different issue all together.

 

[fossten]

Michael Moore is a :q :q :q :q head and looking to get into anything he thinks will make him MOORE money. This is actually pointing out what some do not see or want too see. Lets leave the facts about the pentagon and focus on the WTC, how would buildings like that fall in position with out at least one of them leaving behind at least a good chunk of the building (not one but both for that matter did not leave anything. you would think at least one of them would fall of to the side.) with a few floors since both were over the 80 floor count

You've got to be kidding. Have you never seen a building fall before? You are SERIOUSLY suggesting this?

1. There were some sort of charges set to make the building fall uniformly
2. The airplanes crashing into the buildings had no effect on the charges set
3. Bush DELIBERATELY orchestrated the death of 3,000+ people

You know what? I'll bet you believe it was the Illuminati that did this. Yeah, that's the ticket! And Bush was a member of the Skull and Bones! Yeah! And the Freemasons are part of the plot! Yeah, that's the ticket!

 

[JoeyGood]

You've got to be kidding. Have you never seen a building fall before? You are SERIOUSLY suggesting this?

1. There were some sort of charges set to make the building fall uniformly
2. The airplanes crashing into the buildings had no effect on the charges set
3. Bush DELIBERATELY orchestrated the death of 3,000+ people

You know what? I'll bet you believe it was the Illuminati that did this. Yeah, that's the ticket! And Bush was a member of the Skull and Bones! Yeah! And the Freemasons are part of the plot! Yeah, that's the ticket!

Yes I have seen buildings fall (In a controlled environment” construction sites”) but for building that were made to sway when we had strong winds (and you felt them when we did have strong winds blowing) but for that matter the Oklahoma city building did not fall like that when it was in fact a bomb that blew it up and it was all most half gone. Wouldn’t you think the second building since it got hit in the corner would lean over a bit to bring down the building differently? Not to mention the fact that the other came straight down as an imploded building would in a controlled situation.

I don’t think they wanted to kill as many people as they did. To tell you the truth I think it was all planned but not by the government which took in all the spoils (if I may call it that) after the fact. Not to sound predigest but look at when and who was and who wasn’t around that day and who gained from it, There are so many who gained from it but the only one that anyone seems to see sticking out like a sore thumb is BUSH. Since he has been dong business with and continues to do so with foreign countries like those we are trying to fight terrorism against. (Like the proposal of our ports being managed by others) I really don’t care about how he makes his money but look at the family owed business he is dealing with ( the same as the one person we started to go for but took are attention away from when he went after the guy that bullied his father.) Now if you can track me down with in 5 inches on the grid by my cell phone, don’t you think we could find a sheep herder in the hills with all this high tech equipment we have?


What movies have you seen that show off a well planed out scheme like this because I haven’t seen them?

 

[fossten]

Okay, I really thought you might be being sarcastic here, but since I can see that you're serious, I'm not going to engage you anymore in any conversations about this.

This is ridiculous. Anybody who believes this kind of stuff is a fringe wacko conspiracy theorist.

 

[JoeyGood]

This is ridiculous. Anybody who believes this kind of stuff is a fringe wacko conspiracy theorist.

Oh just making convo but is the control of our ports a conspiracy too? But just to set the record straight. It's all a matter of MONEY my friend, no matter how you look at conspiracy or not and it goes to show no matter who or what planed this crap they don't care who is caught in the cross fire and that is what it is Plain GREED

wacko conspiracy theorist.

:runaway: might be a wacko but only a car wacko not a wacko conspiracy theorist cuz i was just pointing out some fact business wise not the 9/11 stuff cuz it has not been proven but it does bring out some argumentative thoughts. Would you say the same? If you played back what you saw in front of your eyes and couldn't explain what would make people hate the US soo much that they would risk hurting their own kind to prove a point

 

[Calabrio]

Oh just making convo but is the control of our ports a conspiracy too?

You mean Dubai? That was a conspiracy, that was political oportunism

But just to set the record straight. It's all a matter of MONEY my friend, no matter how you look at conspiracy or not and it goes to show no matter who or what planed this crap they don't care who is caught in the cross fire and that is what it is Plain GREED

But, by no means, could it have to do with fundamentalist Islamics who are inent upon seeing American's dead and our economy damaged.

If you played back what you saw in front of your eyes and couldn't explain what would make people hate the US soo much that they would risk hurting their own kind to prove a point

First of all, a handful of "eye-witness" accounts is hardly proof of anything, especially in such a stressful and traumatic event. Eyewitness accounts are the least reliable form of witness, and even more so when it's about "counting explosions" or other precise things.

These ridiculous conspiracy theories arise after every kind of disaster, usually for two reasons. In this case, they seemed designed to do two things- either act as a means of attacking the government. Or denying that the threats we face in the world are actually real. Either one isn't healthy.

There are precious few facts in that video. There's a lot of "so why do you think" statments made, but never do they provide enough information to make an informed decision. Seriously, "do you think" that they really drew a line across the Pentagon yard to direct the plane into the building?

And this isn't necessarily a partisan attack.
On the "right", this is the kind of crap one of those idiotic Alex Jones listeners believe in? Based on a hatred of federal govenrment and black copters. And on the left, it's based on a hatred of the administration and a denial of evil in the world OTHER THAN CAPITALIST EVIL. The only evil in their mind is capitalism and republicanism.

 

[JoeyGood]

You mean Dubai? That was a conspiracy, that was political oportunism.

oportunism for what? Ports should be managed by our own, who will watch over them watching our ports? think of what i'm saying as a casino if you will, all ways some one watching some one from pit boss to the janitor.

ALEX JONES FAN HA! I never heard of the guy till i saw the clips.

In short i'm just worried about if the people put in place to watch our ports were forigners who would be watching over them cuz if it's anything like way the goverment says the watch over other parts of goverment were gonna be in deep DOODOO

 

[Calabrio]

oportunism for what? ]/quote]
Politicians seized the issue, and misrepresented it order to gain political benefit from it. Democrats used it to attack the President and to look "strong on defense." Republicans responded defensively. But it had nothing honest to do with security.

Ports should be managed by our own, who will watch over them watching our ports? think of what i'm saying as a casino if you will, all ways some one watching some one from pit boss to the janitor.

See, you can't overly simplify these issues like that. Ideally, we would have domestic companies in all these positions. But we don't. And Dubai wouldn't have been the only port under foreign supervision. Why did the outrage end after that? And why didn't we hear the same outrage when the British or Chinese controled ports?

ALEX JONES FAN HA! I never heard of the guy till i saw the clips.

Good. He's a friggin' nut.

In short i'm just worried about if the people put in place to watch our ports were forigners who would be watching over them cuz if it's anything like way the goverment says the watch over other parts of goverment were gonna be in deep DOODOO

We're sort of way off topic here, but the Dubai company would have had a very strong self-interest in following security protocal and protecting their investment. And frankly, since it's a ruling family, they would have had the ability to do things within the company and to their employees that would be illegal in the U.S. Seeing as how they were providing the U.S. with intelligence, that would have been an advantage.

But- none of that was discussed. Hillary wanted to to look strong on security, so there was no honest or informed debate.

Nothing to do with that riduculous propoganda film you posted however.

 

[Pepsi2185]

It is patriotic to question the government. I love this country, but not neccessarily its leadership.

I think there are too many loose ends about 911 in the first place. It takes more than a jet fueled fireball to bring down an 80 floor skyscraper.